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We remember back in the heyday when yom stated in our comments section that the PS3 was just a "4,000 dollar computer for 600 dollars." Now whatever your qualms might be, let's not get into the whole financial hoopla about it. What matters is that the PS3 is a computer. The simple fact that Linux can be booted on it is enough for people to know of what its shell can support. |
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OMFG FIRST MY FIRST FIRST MESSAGE FIRST FIRST FIRST FIRST FIRST FIRST nah i alwasys wanted 2 do that but niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee job thats excatly what i wanted becase the only os im use is windows plz get me instructions that dhit is sort of slow though if its not a fake....
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hi it will be cool to create an x86 interpretor you install directly in other os instead of linux
with a good pack of homebrew driver youll can run win xp on it a realy dessent speed!
if i remenber someone has already done it on psp for boot win 95 on it.
it would be realy cool to run dawn of war or world of warcraft on ps3 ;)
please if a good coder read this please try to make it real!
OK before all you xbox360 fanboys!!
(who know that this is a breakthrough with Playstation 3 OS features)
start complaining saying '' oh it is way too slow how crap is the PS3''
The fact is that yes windows is going to be slow for several reasions here is the list:
1) It is runnin though Linux through a emulator so it isn't full speed.
2) Becuase it runs through linux it cant handle 2 operating systems at once causing one to slow down (if you dont belive me then try to install mac os X on your windows pc through pear tree software it just aint gona go fast no matter what the speed of your computer)
3) Windows is not made for the Playstation 3.
4) This is only the beggining of Playstation 3 homebrew (if you want to call it that) so it is going to be slow just like the PSP at first.
Ok post more if you can list more!
Because it's not programmed to use all of the processors, so it can't use all of the PS3's power?
OH PLEASE GO BACK WHERE U BELONG....BACK TO UR CAVE.
PS3 SUCKS BIG TIME
Listing the reasons why it's slow, doesn't solve the problem that it's slow.
They may be able to get it running a LITTLE faster, but the main bottleneck is the 256 meg or ram, which nothing can be done about....
thats awasome, maybe i should get PS3 instead of xbox
Was this your first clue?
(nerd impression) oooooo ahhhhh wwooooowwww (drool)
thinkin in my head : YES !!!!!!!!!!! i am gunna mess around with this and make cool ***** YEAH !!!!!!!!)
call of duty 2 OMG
why everytime i write it says im QJ.net staff??? WTF time to have some fun:)
neway bob you should get a ps3 has many more advantages over 360
and the ps3 when you think about it is well Cheaper(dont flame me)
Ps3=wifi/blu-ray/wireless controllers/free online service/1080p hdmi/60gb hdd etc.
360 core pack=300
wifi=100 extra
hd dvd=200 extra
hdd=100 extra
xbl=50 extra a year
GRAND TOTAL TO ME IS
ps3=600
xbox360=750
now which one costs more?? im not trying to put dirt on xb360 becaus ei really like gears of war, im just trying to make a point that the ps3 isnt that bad...
xbox 360 pro $400:
20 GB HD - included
XBL - $50 year
comes with COD 2 (at ebgames)
$450
PS3 pro $600
HDMI cable $40
online free to X ammount (depending how much some may want to charge... it could be 5 bucks PER game... so if you have 3 games that cost money it would be $150 a year)
total + $640 - $790 or more
if you get the xbox with HD DvD it will still be less and the price will drop... and HD DvD is the better (picture quality) format... just go to bestbuy and look.
Blu-Ray has better picture quality than HD-DVD actually and it really matters alot more on your tv then it does the player.
xbox 360 premium with GRAW, XBL arcade vol. 1 and gears of war cost 399.99$ in a bundle now ( bestbuy and others too )
PS3 core ( same as x360 premium ) without anything is 499.99$
so it's clear the xbox 360 is cheaper
but is it better?
Actually perhaps you should take a little time and research before you reply. Blu-ray does NOT have superior picture quality than HDDVD. At least not yet, although I doubt it will ever surpass HDDVD anyway with the way the codecs work.
If you doubt this, then you should google or hell even yahoo search some HD reviews.....
online free to X ammount (depending how much some may want to charge... it could be 5 bucks PER game... so if you have 3 games that cost money it would be $150 a year)
Thats is so total and utter bull*****, how many games for PS2 charged to play online? I'm pretty sure it was less than ten.
And so how the hell does 3 games online at 5 bucks each add up to $150 a year?
One more thing- you can't count the PS3 HDMI cable if you don't count the 360 HD-DVD drive
so thats $640 for PS3, and $650 for 360.
full evaltuatio of prices from the small packs and big backs
ps3 pro
fedora core 5 and linux thats hot and with all of the other shyt is 600 beans(dollars)
XB360 pro
400 beans without HD DVD PLAYER
hd dvd player 200 beans
Bam thats 600 beans there *****at ur a retard yoyo
and then calculate how more benifintes the ps3 has that the 360 cant do. like have another os. and after that, you cant forget thhat it comes with a 60gb hdd which is 3 times the size of gaybox360 and it can be upgraded to 120gb.
ps3 20gb with everything the 60gb has except for wifi, and the memory card reader for 500 beans correct??
xb360 core
300 beans plus hddvd player
bam 500 beans there *****at and thats just a core with NO hdd, or anything, where the ps3 comes with a hdd, and abluray player built in, so you dont have to have to boxes when you want to play at a friends houese. and with tthe 20gb you can upgrade the hdd.
Hmmm...PS3 Homebrew is getting more interesting by the minute. It's even opening more doors than PSP....Interesting...very interesting...can't wait to mess around with mine when I get one.
It is not homebrew, its just people running regular software on Linux
You know what else runs windows? My computer.
Why waste time on this crap when you already have an OS on the ps3 and the ps3 is made for games... it should not be a computer... it should run games
so why not? I mean now you got something in your living (or wherever) that can play music movies etc etc though your Entertainment system.
hasn't anyone loaded OSX on it yet? OSX is natively compiled to run on PPC (which is the supposed requirement for loading 'another' OS on the PS3. Frankly I am suprised that they went this way first; I would have tried to fire up Darwin first, then see if I can shoehorn in a retail copy of OSX into it. But then, I am a 'doze hater anyway. Lets put it this way, I would rather have a 'nix computer for home use and own a dedicated gaming paltform for games, so that I don't have to deal with artificial excuses to sink me for ever greater and greater hardware. But that is just me.
HD DVD uses better codecs then the blueray... thus having better image quality
My Diick Is 6 Inches Longer Than Yours ^^^^^
Who Gives A Rats Asss About HD DVD Can X-Box 3.60 Load Windows Surf Net No Sorry PS3 Wins
Grow Up Shiit
I play games on my gaming system... maybe watch movies sometimes.... if wanna surf the net, use linux or windows i will do so... on my computer.
But if you had the option why buy two seperate boxes when only one would be more than sufficient?
360's games are better, so if you want the best games, get 360....a jack of all trades is a master of none....
The 360 has had a year on the PS3 of course it would have better games.
The only and ONLY reason that HD DVD looks better is because it uses VC-1 encoding.
Blue-ray supports VC-1 encoding as well, studios that release movies on both formats will have VC-1 on both blue-ray and HD DVD and therefore both will look the same.
Why do studios keep with the old mpeg? Because its cheaper and easier. Blu-ray gives studios the ability to use their same machines to encode movies for blue-ray, fact being, old movies will have minor differences between the DVD and HD DVD/Blu-ray because the shooting equipment back then wasnt made for high definition.
Newer movies will be able to take advantage of the higher resolution. I watched Fantastic 4 on blue-ray it it was amazing on the difference.
I also watched The last Samurai on DVD, HD DVD and Blu-ray and HD DVD and Blu-ray are identical. No visible difference whatsoever.
Its easy to compare a movie like I-Robot on HD DVD and movies that were made in the early 90s and say HD DVD is better.
But compare a 2005 movie and you will see, there literally is no difference.
shi tt i dnt giva ratz ass if hd-dvd has better kwality (it dusent im just sayin if u think it does if u dnt belive me reasd the upper post) blu ray has more data PLUS it comes standard with PS3 wye the hell wuld u go to the store and tell ur parents (if ur grown up and make ur owne muney this dusent apply to u but it duz have sum reason) mom i want a HD-DVD attchment the costs 100 smthing $$$ to watch HD-DVD on my 360 lemme tell u smthing HD-DVD isnt better, costs extra to watch on the X PLUS its not fulll HD not like the PS3 1080P even if 360 plus with hd-dvd costs leess than PS3 but look at the quality ur gettin here PS3 is the better buy and will some *****s shut up about OHH I HAVE A COMPUTER thats wat i use to run and serf the net lemme give u a hint (GO GET A LIFE) more features a thing has the better !!! but as u lern in life too much of anything is bad for u in the ps3 case it keeps on gettin better and better so in the end PS3 is better to buy (ether thogh my post is so old uve alredy made ur mind in buyin a PS3 anyway and if u bot a X CURSE U !!!!!!!!!!)
learn to type properly.
noob.
at "kwality"....dude, learn to spell or no one will take you seriously and you will fail....fool.
through in a hard drive that supports xp!!
***** 360 ps3 is better!! and will always be better u f_u_c_k_i_n_g stuck up 360 fan boyz
quick question, y the ***** r there even 360 fanboys on this section. go back and ***** how u hate the ps3 on the 360 sections.
wut r yall so *****in scared of the dam compitition
wtf is this good for? if i want to run a windows game on linux i would install Cedega. its gonna be fun to c if Cedega runs on ps3, if it does run its gonna be fun to play WoW on it, lol.
That would not work because Cedega will not run on PPC.
PS3 pwns m$...lolz
Cant afford a PC that could run XP way better than this but you can afford a crappy old console? Good job guys, you are all officially dumb. :P
OOOOHHHH!! I CAN PLAY OLD GAMES ON MY PS3!! YES!!
EMULATORS ON MY PS3!! YESS!!! I SPENT $599 ON A MACHINE THAT CAN RUN EMULATORS!! YESS!!! AND PLAY PS1 GAMES!!! YESS!!! I DONT CARE IF A MODDED XBOX 1 CAN DO THE SAME AND MORE...ITS ON MY PS3!!! NEVERMIND THAT WE HAVE SUCKY GAMES!! WE CAN PLAY EMULATORS!!! RUN DIFFERENT OS's....AND PLAY OLD ASS GAMES ON EM!!
THE PS3 really reminds me of just a big ol PSP. ALL flash no PROMISE!! I gotta admit..running emulators on a modded psp was fun...thats because all of the original games SUCK!! (except for...tekken and gta) but sony never intended the psp for that way...making their version of the psp really GAY!! now, the Ps3..I turned it on and...OH MY!! a BIG OL PSP ON MY 60" sony WEGA with 1080p. I put on resistance...and it says...play only on 720p..WTF?!!! wierd sony, weird!! you guys SUCK!!
no kind of emulators, operating systems...etc...can hide the fact that the PS3 is overhyped!!
Dont be so pissy . Yes the original xbox can do the same, I own a chipped box and it is great, but the PS3 has been out less than a month and this is not a hack.
These guides show you how to emulate Windows XP on linux. They are written for Ubuntu, but if you know linux at all it won't be hard to get this to work on Fedora Core.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
http://noiesmo.dnsalias.net/article.php?story=20060622142926267
Take your pick. Hopefully that helps, and hopefully someone can make a PS3 specific guide from these, but I can't since I don't have my PS3 yet :(
I just wanted to add that I might attempt to make a FC5 specific guide tomorrow if I have time because I want everything to be smoothed out by the time I finally get my PS3, which hopefully will be soon. Otherwise, if someone beats me to it, more power to them. I'll post on this again tomorrow, hopefully with a completed guide.
Nothing special about this. Someone loaded QEmu on a linux box and ran windows in it big deal. I like the hypervisor sony lets you run an OS under because it has potential for others to write special software for the system and lets you run lots of already existing software. I hope someone loads Gentoo on it since we are going to need all the optimization we can get with only 256mb of ram.
And reading lots of these comments i remember why i hate the console communities. Full of stupid fanboi's who worship one system. When will you learn that consoles are not football teams. Personally at the moment we have a xbox360 because ps3 hasn't come out in Australia yet. When it does i will be getting one of them too (and maybe a Nintendo wii if some of its games interest me).
this is awesome
a lot more to come soon
The PS3 running linux, can run anything linux can run on a PC...under limitations of ram and vid card.
So really, nothing that is running under linux will be a big surprise...only because 90% of the "newbs" that bought a ps3 don't know how to run anything from a command prompt. So, when someone with even basic knowledge of linux comes along it's like a bloody miracle...
The PS3 running linux, can run anything linux can run on a PC...under limitations of ram and vid card.
So really, nothing that is running under linux will be a big surprise...only because 90% of the "newbs" that bought a ps3 don't know how to run anything from a command prompt. So, when someone with even basic knowledge of linux comes along it's like a bloody miracle...
i know i will be flamed but me ill by a PS Wii :p
the ps3 has goo graphism and the sony games are realy good
but wen i was yound i was loving nintendo (hum my yumy nes with ninja turtle)
and yea i still love nintendo because i love these old games.
but i cant stand microsoft dunno wy ... and the good microsoft games will be on pc 1 year later then i dont need an xbox
it can be cool to play at the pc version of xbox games on the ps3
because you can have 2 (or more )console in one (if you use emulator for nes snes n64 ... and if you dont want a pc or wii)
it can be a good idea no?
dude, wtf is "goo graphism"? Go back to school kid.... BTW, PS3 pwnz joo!!!! lol
"The PS3 running linux, can run anything linux can run on a PC...under limitations of ram and vid card." ----wrong
the PS3 can run anything linux can run on a PPC The PS3 running linux, can run anything linux can run on a PC...under limitations of ram and no vid card!
you don't have access to the gfx card! -you have only access to its framebuffer (2D)
I cant wait till you guys catch a virus on your PS3s and it eats away your harddrives. 600 bucks for a 400 dollar computer is right.
Well too bad, 'cos linux doesn't have viruses. O wait was it microsoft that told you it does 'cos it just cant stop the viruses coming towards it so it tries to say other OSs have it as well.
Fool....Linux has plenty of backdoors and exploits, thing is, not enough stupid people use linux on PC's and therefore the people who write virii don't bother writing it for Linux. Why would you spend time writing code to infect like 10% of home computers vs 90% ???
However, with PS3, you will have malicious fanboy coders who pick up yellow dog and look for virii to write for it....it's very possible, don't kid yourself...
I know the Hard Drive could be infected with viruses and date could be lost, but I bet the PS3 firmware is near untouchable.
Ps3 is better than the xbox 360 no matter what way you look at it now grow up and stop slagging the best next gen console off.
I agree. There are so much potential with Ps3 then with 360. We are pretty much know what inside 360 can do by way of Intel processor. The cell is just far more better. I think Ps3 is more about future tech vs 360 is the current tech.
im more of a ps3 fan and i say ps3 does have more potential but your an idiiot the xbox doesnt use an intel processor
All of the next gen consoles have PPC, not x86
hi
it will be cool to create an x86 interpretor ,
you install directly in other os instead of linux
with a good pack of homebrew driver,
you ll can run win xp on it a realy dessent speed!
if i remenber someone has already done it on psp for boot win 95 on it.
it would be realy cool to run dawn of war or world of warcraft on ps3 ;)
please if a good coder read this please try to make it real!
edit: and dont worry for viruses , they only atack microsoft :p
and a good driver can enable video aceleration i hope.
I guess PS3 is the future
"crashcore said: just wanted to add that I might attempt to make a FC5 specific guide tomorrow if I have time because I want everything to be smoothed out by the time I finally get my PS3, which hopefully will be soon. Otherwise, if someone beats me to it, more power to them. I'll post on this again tomorrow, hopefully with a completed guide. "
its relativly easy to make a Qemu image of any OS you want, the key is to run a QEmu on the system you want to get installed and make a fresh install there first, then move the image across to the emulatr machine to run that image (in this case winXP) there on a native compiled QEmu as they used above.
the key points are that currently the linux that they used was NOT optimised for the PS3 yet, AND the fact that Neather was the QEmu they were using, so in effect making it even slower than it might be if they were running that XP Qemu Image on say a G5 PPC with the spaecial JIT optimisations for AltiVec and so on, if you can search for these AltiVEc patches and compiler switchs and write these up, perhaps someone can use these as the base to get ferther speed out of the PS3 version that will come in time, then later somene else can use this info to vectorise the code even more to use 1 or more of the specialised cores, if you follow?.
as a begining, star here http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/pa-emulation.html to make a cross-compiled Qemu on any usable linux for PPC, look for altivec switches and read up on these and the JIT (just in time) for PPC as your starting point for better speed.
on a side NOTE were people seem to be getting confised or trying to confuse others with miss-information as regards VC-1 and codecs , take a look at Bonds DOOM9 informati thread and this chart to get a far better idea that AVC/H.264 is by far the better Codec when compared to VC-1 at low bitrates, and it need mentioning that AVC has a lossless encoder/decoder made soas to keep as much quality as possible given the original content, the VC-1 (aka DivX with bells on, ASP) does NOT have a Lossless mode and thats official.
http://img297.echo.cx/img297/8742/compchart2fa.png
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=96059
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