Posted Jun 02, 2009 at 01:02PM by Mabie A.
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Now it's time for Sony. Are you all excited? Am betting big bucks on their presentation. Boy, oh, boy! They sure have a lot of explaining to do! Get the party started! Intro:
Jack:
Jack:
Closing Remarks: "I hope you agree, this is gonna be one of the biggest years in PlayStation history. Other companies ask you to imagine the future of gaming, and it's our pleasure to show you the future of gaming." Post-game analysis for E3 Day 2 conferences coming right up! |
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by Darthsappy23 - 2009-06-02 |
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» Oh My
i just read on the PS blog that they are releasing FFVII today!! i dunno if ill be buying it but still nevertheless there it is!! i admit i never tought id see the day it would be re-released!!
http://blog.us.playstation.com/
i just read on the PS blog that they are releasing FFVII today!! i dunno if ill be buying it but still nevertheless there it is!! i admit i never tought id see the day it would be re-released!!
http://blog.us.playstation.com/
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by NathanDrake - 2009-06-02 |
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» ...
I've got my Uncharted 2 beta code. Can't wait.
And ok people probably sick of me saying it but please for crying out loud Sony Europe... Symphony of the Night and Spyro (not for me) for the PS Store like everyone else has. I don't care about Final Fantasy VII. I wasted money on that the first time around. And Ridge Racer Type 4 would be nice too. For some reason I still enjoy it more than any RR since.
Clatchet and Rank?
I've got my Uncharted 2 beta code. Can't wait.
And ok people probably sick of me saying it but please for crying out loud Sony Europe... Symphony of the Night and Spyro (not for me) for the PS Store like everyone else has. I don't care about Final Fantasy VII. I wasted money on that the first time around. And Ridge Racer Type 4 would be nice too. For some reason I still enjoy it more than any RR since.
Clatchet and Rank?
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Re: Mabie A. (QJ. NET Staff) - 2009-06-02 |
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» dyslexic much
sorry! so many games, am all jumbled up! @_@
sorry! so many games, am all jumbled up! @_@
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Re: NathanDrake - 2009-06-02 |
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» ...
Sorry if I come across as harsh towards FFVII. I'm sure lots of people are gonna be happy to have that on PSN. It would just be nice if I had some of my actual fave PS1 games there too...
Sorry if I come across as harsh towards FFVII. I'm sure lots of people are gonna be happy to have that on PSN. It would just be nice if I had some of my actual fave PS1 games there too...
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Re: Stealth! - 2009-06-03 |
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» Well I'm happy
I've been asking for more PSN classics and FF7 for a long time now. It's finally out. and with the 49 other classics, maybe FF8 and 9 can be released. :D
I've been asking for more PSN classics and FF7 for a long time now. It's finally out. and with the 49 other classics, maybe FF8 and 9 can be released. :D
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by FORCE4121 - 2009-06-02 |
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» just.......
FF VII for me is good enough, I would like to see VIII, and IX as well.... FF 8 always had those lag/ freeze glitches though
FF VII for me is good enough, I would like to see VIII, and IX as well.... FF 8 always had those lag/ freeze glitches though
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by Darthsappy23 - 2009-06-02 |
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» cool
they just announced FF14 online to be released in 2010 ps3 exclusive. also they wrote that theres 6.5 million ppl on pshome atm
they just announced FF14 online to be released in 2010 ps3 exclusive. also they wrote that theres 6.5 million ppl on pshome atm
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by FORCE4121 - 2009-06-02 |
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» WHAT!?!?!?!?
HOW? they have not even released 13!?!?!?!?!?1
HOW? they have not even released 13!?!?!?!?!?1
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Re: neilp4453 - 2009-06-02 |
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» online
It is an online version...meaning probably standalone or something.
Pay to play...I am kind of hyped for it because I've been waiting for some new mmo or online rpg to play for a long time.
It is an online version...meaning probably standalone or something.
Pay to play...I am kind of hyped for it because I've been waiting for some new mmo or online rpg to play for a long time.
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by NathanDrake - 2009-06-02 |
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» ...
Sorry if I've missed something or read wrong (I read about the PSP Go on BBC news site) but if it's UMD-less how does it play the large amount of great existing PSP titles? Do you have to copy them over via some official method or have to really on illegal iso's of all the games you've bought legally?
Sorry if I've missed something or read wrong (I read about the PSP Go on BBC news site) but if it's UMD-less how does it play the large amount of great existing PSP titles? Do you have to copy them over via some official method or have to really on illegal iso's of all the games you've bought legally?
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by FORCE4121 - 2009-06-02 |
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» oh so its going to fail like FF11?
topic^
topic^
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Re: Darthsappy23 - 2009-06-02 |
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» i dunno
i dunno how much of a fail ffxi was, i played it for 2 yrs, but it was ok.. but in the last few months i was playing it i remember ppl talkn about how square enix was making a new FF MMO. but im not about to do another pay to play mmo. that ***** too much of my life >.
i dunno how much of a fail ffxi was, i played it for 2 yrs, but it was ok.. but in the last few months i was playing it i remember ppl talkn about how square enix was making a new FF MMO. but im not about to do another pay to play mmo. that ***** too much of my life >.
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Re: FORCE4121 - 2009-06-02 |
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» makes no sense to me
why would i pay a large X amount of money to buy a game that I would have to pay an Y amount to play online
why would i pay a large X amount of money to buy a game that I would have to pay an Y amount to play online
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Re: Freya - 2009-06-02 |
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» fail?
You mean you and your comment right? FFXI if you didn't know is doing quite well. Not SUPER well known like WoW or anything but it's there. If you don't like it then shutup. No one wants your noob comments.
You mean you and your comment right? FFXI if you didn't know is doing quite well. Not SUPER well known like WoW or anything but it's there. If you don't like it then shutup. No one wants your noob comments.
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by NathanDrake - 2009-06-02 |
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» ...
I'm curious as to how the Motion Controller is going to work. I hate playing games with the Wiimote and prefer the built in motion sensors of the Sixaxis/DS3 as it's more subtle and doesn't totally change how I like to play games.
I'm curious as to how the Motion Controller is going to work. I hate playing games with the Wiimote and prefer the built in motion sensors of the Sixaxis/DS3 as it's more subtle and doesn't totally change how I like to play games.
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by Althor - 2009-06-02 |
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» FF7
I wouldn't have minded extra stuff if they were gonna put FF7 on, like DLC for it, not a total remake but they can add to it. New weapons and places and enemies etc. woulda been nice XD
I wouldn't have minded extra stuff if they were gonna put FF7 on, like DLC for it, not a total remake but they can add to it. New weapons and places and enemies etc. woulda been nice XD
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by Shatterdome - 2009-06-02 |
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» WTF?
No Twisted Metal PS3.....seriously, they can't be saving it for 2011.....can they ? *cry*
No Twisted Metal PS3.....seriously, they can't be saving it for 2011.....can they ? *cry*
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by Darthsappy23 - 2009-06-02 |
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» codes
is PS home it looks like there giving away codes for free stuff, i think free clothes. in the e3 coverage podium area. its popping up every few mins or so
is PS home it looks like there giving away codes for free stuff, i think free clothes. in the e3 coverage podium area. its popping up every few mins or so
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Re: Darthsappy23 - 2009-06-02 |
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» the code
N4GI-6NBC-JPHH IT UNLOCKS 2 ph home shirts. im pretty sure its good for everone, (as i got it from someone else lol)
N4GI-6NBC-JPHH IT UNLOCKS 2 ph home shirts. im pretty sure its good for everone, (as i got it from someone else lol)
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Re: Pyrodogg - 2009-06-02 |
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» WOOOOOT!!!
Thanks for the code, it said it worked, two tshirts! So do they mail them? how the hell do they know what size i am? lol
Thanks for the code, it said it worked, two tshirts! So do they mail them? how the hell do they know what size i am? lol
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by lito2213 - 2009-06-02 |
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» what the hell
WOW i thought that ps3 was going to bring everything to the table at E3.It was disappointing all they talked about was how much they sold ps2,psp,ps3 were the Fu3k was the games??? no demos no hype of any game but uncharted2,god of war 3.xbox360 has it once again sorry guys im a big ps3 fan but what happen.The psp GO is the same just another price tag of $260 THE XBOX360 console is going for $200 witch one u rather get?
WOW i thought that ps3 was going to bring everything to the table at E3.It was disappointing all they talked about was how much they sold ps2,psp,ps3 were the Fu3k was the games??? no demos no hype of any game but uncharted2,god of war 3.xbox360 has it once again sorry guys im a big ps3 fan but what happen.The psp GO is the same just another price tag of $260 THE XBOX360 console is going for $200 witch one u rather get?
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Re: Darthsappy23 - 2009-06-02 |
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» hmm
well id rather get another ps3 as it is the BETTER buy, fanboy or not i could care less. but seeing as my launch 60gig is still kickn and alive and well i wont be getting a new one any time soon. nor will i be wasting my money on a 360 or a wii
well id rather get another ps3 as it is the BETTER buy, fanboy or not i could care less. but seeing as my launch 60gig is still kickn and alive and well i wont be getting a new one any time soon. nor will i be wasting my money on a 360 or a wii
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Re: narutosaiyan - 2009-06-02 |
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» lol
psp had more games than 360 at conference. or maybe u missed last guardian, gt5, mag? ff14? mgs? a motion sensor raping wii and 360 combined? sony brought the house down! ff7 as well omg! and that racing creator looks awesome...also maybe u missed the assasins creed2 gameplay that even ubi didnt show? go home to ur 360 and slosh some paint or hump an elephant
psp had more games than 360 at conference. or maybe u missed last guardian, gt5, mag? ff14? mgs? a motion sensor raping wii and 360 combined? sony brought the house down! ff7 as well omg! and that racing creator looks awesome...also maybe u missed the assasins creed2 gameplay that even ubi didnt show? go home to ur 360 and slosh some paint or hump an elephant
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Re: 93pauott - 2009-06-02 |
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» I'd get the PSP Go!
Simply because it's portable, it has an internet browser and it doesn't RROD ^^
Simply because it's portable, it has an internet browser and it doesn't RROD ^^
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Re: Darthsappy23 - 2009-06-02 |
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» ya
i might get the new psp, i still have the original one and its about time for an upgrade
i might get the new psp, i still have the original one and its about time for an upgrade
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Re: papajag - 2009-06-02 |
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» Well...
The reason why Sony seemed to not have anything at E3 is that it either got leaked or everyone already knows about it.
The reason why MS seems to have the best E3 is because of Natal(I don't like any of the motion controls including Wii and PS3) and MGS but that's about it. MS+Sony(not including PSP)>Nintendo
The reason why Sony seemed to not have anything at E3 is that it either got leaked or everyone already knows about it.
The reason why MS seems to have the best E3 is because of Natal(I don't like any of the motion controls including Wii and PS3) and MGS but that's about it. MS+Sony(not including PSP)>Nintendo
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by neilp4453 - 2009-06-02 |
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» damn
I'm pretty disappointed by Sony's E3 conference.
Only tidbits were new to me and nor do they seem that interesting anyway. I won't be buying most of the games showcased.
Oh well.
I'm pretty disappointed by Sony's E3 conference.
Only tidbits were new to me and nor do they seem that interesting anyway. I won't be buying most of the games showcased.
Oh well.
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Re: NathanDrake - 2009-06-02 |
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I certainly see many I'm very tempted to buy which is something I couldn't say about Microsoft's show and probably won't be able to say about Nintendos (since except perhaps the GBA Metroids they haven't made anything I've liked since the SNES days).
I certainly see many I'm very tempted to buy which is something I couldn't say about Microsoft's show and probably won't be able to say about Nintendos (since except perhaps the GBA Metroids they haven't made anything I've liked since the SNES days).
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by narutosaiyan - 2009-06-02 |
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» people r stupid
so sony didnt show 20 fps games, instead they showed so many different aaa titles from different genres and ppl say it sucks. well im *****ing tired, go play ODST. speaking of that *****, remember when gt5p was a 40 dollar "demo" remember??? what the ***** is ODST u *****ing 360 morons. i remember all the ***** talk about how sony is ripping people off with gt5P even tho it raped forza, and now M$ is releasing a 40 buck demo n xbots are all hyped up and excited, well STFU im tired of these god damn hypocrites. maybe now mgs will finally get the rating it deserves because its on 360, but i wont be surprised if its an arcade game cuz a game as good as mgs4 isnt possible on ur piece of plastic
so sony didnt show 20 fps games, instead they showed so many different aaa titles from different genres and ppl say it sucks. well im *****ing tired, go play ODST. speaking of that *****, remember when gt5p was a 40 dollar "demo" remember??? what the ***** is ODST u *****ing 360 morons. i remember all the ***** talk about how sony is ripping people off with gt5P even tho it raped forza, and now M$ is releasing a 40 buck demo n xbots are all hyped up and excited, well STFU im tired of these god damn hypocrites. maybe now mgs will finally get the rating it deserves because its on 360, but i wont be surprised if its an arcade game cuz a game as good as mgs4 isnt possible on ur piece of plastic
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Re: 93pauott - 2009-06-02 |
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» ...
You need help.
you're one of the most fanboyish people in this article yet.
You need help.
you're one of the most fanboyish people in this article yet.
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by lito2213 - 2009-06-02 |
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» 360
xbox360 really push the limite with the motion sensor if u missed it check it out on G4TV.com b4 u comment back cuz its amazing u need NO NO NO CONTROLLER now try and top that and a nice line up of games too u can share movies with friend sametime chat wile u watch what the hell sony got that can compet with that???it freakin sad.why get psp go for $260 that does the same stuff as the psp3000 and its a cheaper price tag $170.That like me buying a 80G ps3 for $400 and u get the same for $600 u spending more money on style.Well to each is own but thats just stupid
xbox360 really push the limite with the motion sensor if u missed it check it out on G4TV.com b4 u comment back cuz its amazing u need NO NO NO CONTROLLER now try and top that and a nice line up of games too u can share movies with friend sametime chat wile u watch what the hell sony got that can compet with that???it freakin sad.why get psp go for $260 that does the same stuff as the psp3000 and its a cheaper price tag $170.That like me buying a 80G ps3 for $400 and u get the same for $600 u spending more money on style.Well to each is own but thats just stupid
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Re: Seoulfood - 2009-06-02 |
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» well
The only really interesting thing the Natal did was that Milo program. But that was all prerecorded. People that tested it said that the only thing that worked surprisingly well was Burnout(which I thought was pretty cool too). During the demo, Milo apparently talked to the testers, but didn't respond to their comments. I'd personally rather have an innovative controller that works well than a really high tech concept that works part-time.
The only really interesting thing the Natal did was that Milo program. But that was all prerecorded. People that tested it said that the only thing that worked surprisingly well was Burnout(which I thought was pretty cool too). During the demo, Milo apparently talked to the testers, but didn't respond to their comments. I'd personally rather have an innovative controller that works well than a really high tech concept that works part-time.
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Re: nehebkau - 2009-06-03 |
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» omg
so you can watch videos with your friends.. biiig *****in deal! its a gaming console ffs!! why waste money on such crap?`i could give less than a big fat dump about all that video streaming and chatting BS... i just want to play games.
and gaming without a controller is just awkward! but w/e..
so you can watch videos with your friends.. biiig *****in deal! its a gaming console ffs!! why waste money on such crap?`i could give less than a big fat dump about all that video streaming and chatting BS... i just want to play games.
and gaming without a controller is just awkward! but w/e..
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by Chilloutcolin - 2009-06-02 |
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» I'm pretty happy
I dont see why some ppl are whining so much about it.... im pretty impressed...narutosaiyan above puts it nicely...: )......Admittedly deep down I did have secret/stupid hopes of a ps3 pricecut or a ps3 mgs game to blow me away...but Im happy with the psp one for now and those motion controls look preety sick to me...much better than my dusty wii's...all in all im happy
I dont see why some ppl are whining so much about it.... im pretty impressed...narutosaiyan above puts it nicely...: )......Admittedly deep down I did have secret/stupid hopes of a ps3 pricecut or a ps3 mgs game to blow me away...but Im happy with the psp one for now and those motion controls look preety sick to me...much better than my dusty wii's...all in all im happy
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Re: narutosaiyan - 2009-06-02 |
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» im not all for motion sensing
id rather sit back and enjoy my dualshock 3, but the accuracy of that controller is amazing. 360 and wii couldnt do that. the way he wrote his name so clearly, or he fought with his sword was great
id rather sit back and enjoy my dualshock 3, but the accuracy of that controller is amazing. 360 and wii couldnt do that. the way he wrote his name so clearly, or he fought with his sword was great
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-02 |
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» ^really
both the wii and 360 natal can handle that 'accuracy' very easily.
imo, that's a decent attempt by sony, but 360's natal and the Wiimote are definitely ahead of it.
still, i'm pleased with what i've seen from sony and ms this year at e3, much more that i was last year.
both the wii and 360 natal can handle that 'accuracy' very easily.
imo, that's a decent attempt by sony, but 360's natal and the Wiimote are definitely ahead of it.
still, i'm pleased with what i've seen from sony and ms this year at e3, much more that i was last year.
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Re: death - 2009-06-02 |
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» @ps34me
next your gonna say eyetoy could handle 1:1 motion lol
next your gonna say eyetoy could handle 1:1 motion lol
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-02 |
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» ^^^actually, such tech could
if it has sufficient video rate (60fps being preferable to 30fps) and sufficient processing power to analyse movement.
if it has sufficient video rate (60fps being preferable to 30fps) and sufficient processing power to analyse movement.
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Re: death - 2009-06-03 |
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» by that logic
couldnt the psEYE do everything Natal did? all they need is the correct software (my laptop has a face recognition toy i d/l a while ago and voice recognition has been around for ages and my experiences aren't too pleasing ie. CALL HOME "did you say call rome?" NO "did you say play bones" )
i dunno when i saw that tech demo for the ps3 motion controller i was pretty floored especially after watching the wii motion plus version of the bow + arrow. i couldnt help myself from thinking does it matter if he pulls back the nunchuck (obviously not) but wit the new ps3 controller it actually would
couldnt the psEYE do everything Natal did? all they need is the correct software (my laptop has a face recognition toy i d/l a while ago and voice recognition has been around for ages and my experiences aren't too pleasing ie. CALL HOME "did you say call rome?" NO "did you say play bones" )
i dunno when i saw that tech demo for the ps3 motion controller i was pretty floored especially after watching the wii motion plus version of the bow + arrow. i couldnt help myself from thinking does it matter if he pulls back the nunchuck (obviously not) but wit the new ps3 controller it actually would
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-03 |
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» sigh, no
"couldnt the psEYE do everything Natal did?"
the eyetoy and live vision do not measure distance. fact. at best there software will detect if something comes towards the camera or away by the changes in size. in otherwords, they take the video information and work with that.
natal measures the distance of every pixel on the screen in the video image. hence it's a 3D representation, not 2D. that's the difference.
"couldnt the psEYE do everything Natal did?"
the eyetoy and live vision do not measure distance. fact. at best there software will detect if something comes towards the camera or away by the changes in size. in otherwords, they take the video information and work with that.
natal measures the distance of every pixel on the screen in the video image. hence it's a 3D representation, not 2D. that's the difference.
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Re: nehebkau - 2009-06-03 |
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» wiimote
it is NOT as accurate as the PS3 one or Natal... because it doesn't REALLY recognize depth.. i saw a video where a guy actually turned the tech around (the hardware from the wiimote on the tv and the hardware in the thing you put ontop of the tv in his hand)... only then it was possible to do real 3D with the wiimote!
it is NOT as accurate as the PS3 one or Natal... because it doesn't REALLY recognize depth.. i saw a video where a guy actually turned the tech around (the hardware from the wiimote on the tv and the hardware in the thing you put ontop of the tv in his hand)... only then it was possible to do real 3D with the wiimote!
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-03 |
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» ^^^ correct to a point
the wiimote by itself is limited in terms of capturing depth movement, hence this is what the add-on, wii motion plus, seeks to correct.
http://www.zath.co.uk/wii-motion-plus/
the wiimote by itself is limited in terms of capturing depth movement, hence this is what the add-on, wii motion plus, seeks to correct.
http://www.zath.co.uk/wii-motion-plus/
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Re: death - 2009-06-04 |
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» @ps34me
you are aware the eye toy and PSeye are 2 completely different things right?
you are aware the eye toy and PSeye are 2 completely different things right?
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-05 |
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» my bad
sorry about that, i thought we were still talking about the eyetoy, i missed the fact that you said pseye.
but no, the same answer applies. again, the pseye does not measure distance, so it cant for example be used to scan a human body and accurately map about 50 key points for movement. all 2d cameras can do is to map to 2d movement, not 3d movement.
you're right that face recognition has been around in webcam applications for a while, but they ALL depend on identifying points from 2d images. natal adds depth information to face recognition, just as it does for movement, and therefore is more advanced.
found this on youtube, a demo from 3dv, the company behind much of natal's tech;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v+aZizkevxX-c+feature+related
it's a bit freaky looking, but it demonstrates the difference between what webcams see and 3d cams.
but enough for now, i will pick up on what Silver-Tiger said before, that these technologies are still developing and there are many unknowns. so let's just wait and see how they develop. :-)
sorry about that, i thought we were still talking about the eyetoy, i missed the fact that you said pseye.
but no, the same answer applies. again, the pseye does not measure distance, so it cant for example be used to scan a human body and accurately map about 50 key points for movement. all 2d cameras can do is to map to 2d movement, not 3d movement.
you're right that face recognition has been around in webcam applications for a while, but they ALL depend on identifying points from 2d images. natal adds depth information to face recognition, just as it does for movement, and therefore is more advanced.
found this on youtube, a demo from 3dv, the company behind much of natal's tech;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v+aZizkevxX-c+feature+related
it's a bit freaky looking, but it demonstrates the difference between what webcams see and 3d cams.
but enough for now, i will pick up on what Silver-Tiger said before, that these technologies are still developing and there are many unknowns. so let's just wait and see how they develop. :-)
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-05 |
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» qj broke that link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v+aZizkevxX-c+feature
^ Replace the '+' character with equals to make that link work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v+aZizkevxX-c+feature
^ Replace the '+' character with equals to make that link work
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-05 |
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» ^^^ grrr qj!
and in the link, delete '+feature' from the end.
and in the link, delete '+feature' from the end.
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by NathanDrake - 2009-06-02 |
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Hm, Rockstar making a new PS3 exclusive. Sounds promising. I've enjoyed most of their games to some extent. Looking forward to Red Dead Redemption too.
Hm, Rockstar making a new PS3 exclusive. Sounds promising. I've enjoyed most of their games to some extent. Looking forward to Red Dead Redemption too.
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Re: nehebkau - 2009-06-03 |
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» agent
yeah i hope it'll be cool... too bad they had no footage of it +(
yeah i hope it'll be cool... too bad they had no footage of it +(
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by narutosaiyan - 2009-06-02 |
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» u think
that natal is more accurate????? maybe u should compare the paint sloshing to the handwriting of the sony controller
that natal is more accurate????? maybe u should compare the paint sloshing to the handwriting of the sony controller
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-02 |
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» oh please
that demo was not trying to demonstrate accuracy but to demonstrate the natal technology. i would have thought that was obvious to everyone.
that demo was not trying to demonstrate accuracy but to demonstrate the natal technology. i would have thought that was obvious to everyone.
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by narutosaiyan - 2009-06-02 |
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» then whats the point
i bet ur gonna love getting hit by balls in the face when the camera cant read your movements. isnt that what the accuracy is???? and im pretty sure he was demoing accuracy since he kept repeating "look at the accuracy of my movements blah blah!" so please change ur name to RROD4me
i bet ur gonna love getting hit by balls in the face when the camera cant read your movements. isnt that what the accuracy is???? and im pretty sure he was demoing accuracy since he kept repeating "look at the accuracy of my movements blah blah!" so please change ur name to RROD4me
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-02 |
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» again, use common sense
it should be clear to anyone that the paint demo using natal was not to demonstrate the fine accuracy of natal, just as tennis is not a demonstration of the accuracy of the Wiimote.
i have a ps3 *only*, no 360, no gaming pc, hence my alias, but unlike some gamers, i dont feel the need to act like a blind fanboy and pretend that everything on my ps3 and everything about it is better than the opposition.
it should be clear to anyone that the paint demo using natal was not to demonstrate the fine accuracy of natal, just as tennis is not a demonstration of the accuracy of the Wiimote.
i have a ps3 *only*, no 360, no gaming pc, hence my alias, but unlike some gamers, i dont feel the need to act like a blind fanboy and pretend that everything on my ps3 and everything about it is better than the opposition.
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by narutosaiyan - 2009-06-02 |
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» omg
ur dumb, the ball demo was showing the accuracy of the body movement with the camera! u stupid fanboy, now not even the wii or the natal is as accurate as the ps3 demo today because if you watched and i mean WATCHED ud see that his arm was slightly shaking and it was also shaking on the screen. now accuracy like that will make motion sensing games more fun. can u get the concept through your tiny brain? im not talking about the paint, ok? with motion sensing you need pinpoint accuracy in order to get a good experience, god damn ur retarded.
ur dumb, the ball demo was showing the accuracy of the body movement with the camera! u stupid fanboy, now not even the wii or the natal is as accurate as the ps3 demo today because if you watched and i mean WATCHED ud see that his arm was slightly shaking and it was also shaking on the screen. now accuracy like that will make motion sensing games more fun. can u get the concept through your tiny brain? im not talking about the paint, ok? with motion sensing you need pinpoint accuracy in order to get a good experience, god damn ur retarded.
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Re: narutosaiyan - 2009-06-02 |
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» and once again
i dont like motion sensing, i play to relax. id much rather be playing gow3. i just see quality in technology and im pointing it out. im not a 12 yr old to play around with dodgeballs, or sticking someones head up my ass to make an elephant. although id like to play a sword fighting game or an archery game, can you please explain how those will work better on the natal than on the ps3 or wii?
i dont like motion sensing, i play to relax. id much rather be playing gow3. i just see quality in technology and im pointing it out. im not a 12 yr old to play around with dodgeballs, or sticking someones head up my ass to make an elephant. although id like to play a sword fighting game or an archery game, can you please explain how those will work better on the natal than on the ps3 or wii?
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-02 |
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» oh dear, i just realised i'm arguing with a 12 year old
the fact that you have to resorted to such name calling proves you are a child (either by age or by mentality).
sony made it an issue to demonstrate the accuracy of their device, which has NOTHING to do with the relative accuracy of their motion control technology and that of ms and nintendo. so again, try to use some common sense.
i see nothing in that sony demonstration which suggests it's any more accurate than ms's natal or the wiimote, and they're showing nothing which couldn't be done or natal or the wiimote, which is YOUR claim.
the fact that you have to resorted to such name calling proves you are a child (either by age or by mentality).
sony made it an issue to demonstrate the accuracy of their device, which has NOTHING to do with the relative accuracy of their motion control technology and that of ms and nintendo. so again, try to use some common sense.
i see nothing in that sony demonstration which suggests it's any more accurate than ms's natal or the wiimote, and they're showing nothing which couldn't be done or natal or the wiimote, which is YOUR claim.
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-02 |
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» don't try to twist the argument
"can you please explain how those will work better on the natal than on the ps3 or wii?"
i said nothing about it working BETTER on natal, i responded to you claiming the ps3's system can do things which can't be done on natal or the wiimote, when you said "but the accuracy of that controller is amazing. 360 and wii couldnt do that. the way he wrote his name so clearly, or he fought with his sword was great".
so at first you were talking 'ps3 vs 360+wii', now you shift it to 'ps3+wii vs 360'. if you can't even remember what you claim minutes earlier, then it's obvious you're a fanboy who hasn't got a clue what he's talking about.
"can you please explain how those will work better on the natal than on the ps3 or wii?"
i said nothing about it working BETTER on natal, i responded to you claiming the ps3's system can do things which can't be done on natal or the wiimote, when you said "but the accuracy of that controller is amazing. 360 and wii couldnt do that. the way he wrote his name so clearly, or he fought with his sword was great".
so at first you were talking 'ps3 vs 360+wii', now you shift it to 'ps3+wii vs 360'. if you can't even remember what you claim minutes earlier, then it's obvious you're a fanboy who hasn't got a clue what he's talking about.
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Re: phiyuku - 2009-06-02 |
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» Actually PS34ME
most of your arguments I always see from you are PS3 sucks which brings me to the conclusion your just faking it with your alias. Next thing I want to point out is this quote from you,
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imo, that's a decent attempt by sony, but 360's natal and the Wiimote are definitely ahead of it."
It was quoted directly above. I'm not saying which one is better but the 360 Natal was definitely glitchy and the live presentation showed what it can do which is very similar to the eyetoy. The pre-recorded video was by the looks of it fake but is probably going to be possible as time passes by and they actually get it to work. The new Eye Toy itself is somewhat glitchy as you can see when the racket goes right through the ball but the rest of it seems really well made. As for the Wii I don't have one but I don't think it can tell 3D space and only can tell 2D space. This is what I think and if it does see 3D space sorry cause I always under the impression it can only see the infrared light but I guess if it got closer it would get brighter or something.
most of your arguments I always see from you are PS3 sucks which brings me to the conclusion your just faking it with your alias. Next thing I want to point out is this quote from you,
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imo, that's a decent attempt by sony, but 360's natal and the Wiimote are definitely ahead of it."
It was quoted directly above. I'm not saying which one is better but the 360 Natal was definitely glitchy and the live presentation showed what it can do which is very similar to the eyetoy. The pre-recorded video was by the looks of it fake but is probably going to be possible as time passes by and they actually get it to work. The new Eye Toy itself is somewhat glitchy as you can see when the racket goes right through the ball but the rest of it seems really well made. As for the Wii I don't have one but I don't think it can tell 3D space and only can tell 2D space. This is what I think and if it does see 3D space sorry cause I always under the impression it can only see the infrared light but I guess if it got closer it would get brighter or something.
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Re: phiyuku - 2009-06-02 |
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» Forgot about price
Sony's set up is probably going to be the most expensive since it requires an Eye Toy and while it would work with 1 peripheral w/e they call it, to get its full effect it requires atleast 2.
Microsoft is probably going to be the cheapest as it only requires a camera. The thing is as Sony pointed it out some stuff you just want a controller for such as a gun where the Sony one has a trigger though I think since it is a camera they can take a thing out of Sony's book with add on peripherals to the camera.
The Wii is the only one with a definite price at the moment since it started out with motion control and with everything costing MSRP it adds up to...
Wiimote - $40
Nunchuck - $20
Wii MotionPlus - $20
Total - $80
Even though the wii doesn't need all of them we are looking at each at their best no?
Sony's set up is probably going to be the most expensive since it requires an Eye Toy and while it would work with 1 peripheral w/e they call it, to get its full effect it requires atleast 2.
Microsoft is probably going to be the cheapest as it only requires a camera. The thing is as Sony pointed it out some stuff you just want a controller for such as a gun where the Sony one has a trigger though I think since it is a camera they can take a thing out of Sony's book with add on peripherals to the camera.
The Wii is the only one with a definite price at the moment since it started out with motion control and with everything costing MSRP it adds up to...
Wiimote - $40
Nunchuck - $20
Wii MotionPlus - $20
Total - $80
Even though the wii doesn't need all of them we are looking at each at their best no?
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-02 |
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» excuse me phiyuku
did i challenged you in the past or something?
go find ONE comment, just ONE will do (use google if you like) where i've said "PS3 sucks" or anything even close to that. please put up or shut up. im a fan of my ps3, not a fanboy, i just dislike fanboys (of all sides). never have and never will. and as for me so-called faking my alias, you are free to believe whatever you choose.
"I'm not saying which one is better but the 360 Natal was definitely glitchy and the live presentation showed what it can do which is very similar to the eyetoy."
nothing is perfect, especially prior to release. we see glitches is *all* gaming tech.
i like to read up on technology, and so i'd read about 3dv (the company behind the technology) long before this e3 conference and it's ms connection (again, use google) and you'll find reports over the last through years about the tech, including brief demos on their website.
so i can see from what i've read and seen, that this tech seems a little ahead of sony's and nintendo's solution imo and is far more than just another eyetoy (which xb live vision was). sorry, but that's my opinion.
finally, about the wiimote;
http://kotaku.com/5024907/nintendo-introduces-wii-motion-plus
hence the technology continues to evolve.
did i challenged you in the past or something?
go find ONE comment, just ONE will do (use google if you like) where i've said "PS3 sucks" or anything even close to that. please put up or shut up. im a fan of my ps3, not a fanboy, i just dislike fanboys (of all sides). never have and never will. and as for me so-called faking my alias, you are free to believe whatever you choose.
"I'm not saying which one is better but the 360 Natal was definitely glitchy and the live presentation showed what it can do which is very similar to the eyetoy."
nothing is perfect, especially prior to release. we see glitches is *all* gaming tech.
i like to read up on technology, and so i'd read about 3dv (the company behind the technology) long before this e3 conference and it's ms connection (again, use google) and you'll find reports over the last through years about the tech, including brief demos on their website.
so i can see from what i've read and seen, that this tech seems a little ahead of sony's and nintendo's solution imo and is far more than just another eyetoy (which xb live vision was). sorry, but that's my opinion.
finally, about the wiimote;
http://kotaku.com/5024907/nintendo-introduces-wii-motion-plus
hence the technology continues to evolve.
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-02 |
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» yes price is an issue, but even more than that...
...both sony and microsoft will need a 'killer' app or game to sell it.
gamers are just not going to buy either option based upon potential alone, both sony and microsoft have to come up with something which makes either one a must buy peripheral, especially amongst their target customers, in this case the casual gamers, which nintendo has successful managed to do.
...both sony and microsoft will need a 'killer' app or game to sell it.
gamers are just not going to buy either option based upon potential alone, both sony and microsoft have to come up with something which makes either one a must buy peripheral, especially amongst their target customers, in this case the casual gamers, which nintendo has successful managed to do.
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-02 |
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» ^^^that line above should read
"...never have and never will like them [fanboys]".
blind loyalty is just dumb imo, especally to companies who only want us for our money.
"...never have and never will like them [fanboys]".
blind loyalty is just dumb imo, especally to companies who only want us for our money.
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Re: phiyuku - 2009-06-03 |
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» Yeah we had an argument
about Killzone 2 running at 1080i. I said it can run native 1080i and you keep insisting it ran on 720p when you don't look at the facts. Back of the box supported HD formats 720p,1080i. It can also run on 1080p if you turn off everything but 1080p. But thats not true 1080p and that's why its not on there. Also wikipedia says it runs 1080i native and even an article here on QJ.
Sorry i don't remember any other arguments that were not between you and I but you know what from now on I'll make a nice little text file for you and paste everything you say if that's what you want.
Also you never actually said PS3 sucks but always point to it being a *****ty console and always downplay anything sony has that's good. To put it you say PS3 sucks in a smart secretive way. BTW my primary console is an Xbox 360 and I still love my PS3 more cause I know sooner or later the PS3 will take over as my primary console. The Wii I just despise so if you see me argue about the Wii sucking than its a pretty high chance it's Bias since I'm sort of their anti-fanboy? But if its PS3 or Xbox 360 I will defend both using facts and only facts.
about Killzone 2 running at 1080i. I said it can run native 1080i and you keep insisting it ran on 720p when you don't look at the facts. Back of the box supported HD formats 720p,1080i. It can also run on 1080p if you turn off everything but 1080p. But thats not true 1080p and that's why its not on there. Also wikipedia says it runs 1080i native and even an article here on QJ.
Sorry i don't remember any other arguments that were not between you and I but you know what from now on I'll make a nice little text file for you and paste everything you say if that's what you want.
Also you never actually said PS3 sucks but always point to it being a *****ty console and always downplay anything sony has that's good. To put it you say PS3 sucks in a smart secretive way. BTW my primary console is an Xbox 360 and I still love my PS3 more cause I know sooner or later the PS3 will take over as my primary console. The Wii I just despise so if you see me argue about the Wii sucking than its a pretty high chance it's Bias since I'm sort of their anti-fanboy? But if its PS3 or Xbox 360 I will defend both using facts and only facts.
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-03 |
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» ah yes, i remember that
"about Killzone 2 running at 1080i. I said it can run native 1080i and you keep insisting it ran on 720p when you don't look at the facts"
yes, that was a detail i got wrong, since i never play games at 1080i (or any interlaced res), 720p is always the preferred option for me if 1080p is not available.
but i notice you missed out the key point of that arguement, where you claimed that 1080i meant bigger textures and so more space is needed (so couldn't be done on 360), when in fact it doesn't mean that at all. the screen res and texture res are two totally different things, since both are heavily dependant on ram and gpu power, not disc storage. unfortunately, you just don't get it.
"from now on I'll make a nice little text file for you and paste everything you say if that's what you want."
oh...sarky. ;-)
"but always point to it being a *****ty console and always downplay anything sony has that's good. To put it you say PS3 sucks in a smart secretive way."
no, to anyone who actually has a clue about the hardware they're talking about, they know i'm discussing the facts, not the fantasies held by many gamers (like yourself over textures). and i notice how you shift position and claim i say PS3 sucks...but in a subtle way. how convenient. so anything over than blind praise for the ps3 is criticism to you!
the logic you use is this... if someone says "OMG, the PS3 is so awesome, it has Cell so it's way more powerful than ANY PC and Cell makes it one of the most powerful supercomputers in the world", then everyone should shut up and same nothing, because to challenge that view means they are subtly saying the ps3 sucks! But hey, who needs the truth, right?
i don't have to cling to inflated ideas about my ps3 to enjoy it, for me, it's about the whole experience, it's about the games.
"BTW my primary console is an Xbox 360"
well, i only ever buy one console per gen (i don't have time for multiple consoles, even though i can more than afford it).
"The Wii I just despise so if you see me argue about the Wii sucking..."
and that's where we're similar yet different. like yourself, the wii just doesn't appeal to me at all, so my choice was always going to be between 360 and ps3. but unlike yourself, you will not find a single post from me saying the wii sucks. but yes, somewhere i've argued against someone making exaggerated claims about the wii capabilities (especially for motion sensing), so i guess he too will decide i must be saying the wii sucks, because to tell it as it is means the same thing. right? ;-).
lol, you can never 'win' online unless you tow the line, regardless of how wrong that line may be.
"about Killzone 2 running at 1080i. I said it can run native 1080i and you keep insisting it ran on 720p when you don't look at the facts"
yes, that was a detail i got wrong, since i never play games at 1080i (or any interlaced res), 720p is always the preferred option for me if 1080p is not available.
but i notice you missed out the key point of that arguement, where you claimed that 1080i meant bigger textures and so more space is needed (so couldn't be done on 360), when in fact it doesn't mean that at all. the screen res and texture res are two totally different things, since both are heavily dependant on ram and gpu power, not disc storage. unfortunately, you just don't get it.
"from now on I'll make a nice little text file for you and paste everything you say if that's what you want."
oh...sarky. ;-)
"but always point to it being a *****ty console and always downplay anything sony has that's good. To put it you say PS3 sucks in a smart secretive way."
no, to anyone who actually has a clue about the hardware they're talking about, they know i'm discussing the facts, not the fantasies held by many gamers (like yourself over textures). and i notice how you shift position and claim i say PS3 sucks...but in a subtle way. how convenient. so anything over than blind praise for the ps3 is criticism to you!
the logic you use is this... if someone says "OMG, the PS3 is so awesome, it has Cell so it's way more powerful than ANY PC and Cell makes it one of the most powerful supercomputers in the world", then everyone should shut up and same nothing, because to challenge that view means they are subtly saying the ps3 sucks! But hey, who needs the truth, right?
i don't have to cling to inflated ideas about my ps3 to enjoy it, for me, it's about the whole experience, it's about the games.
"BTW my primary console is an Xbox 360"
well, i only ever buy one console per gen (i don't have time for multiple consoles, even though i can more than afford it).
"The Wii I just despise so if you see me argue about the Wii sucking..."
and that's where we're similar yet different. like yourself, the wii just doesn't appeal to me at all, so my choice was always going to be between 360 and ps3. but unlike yourself, you will not find a single post from me saying the wii sucks. but yes, somewhere i've argued against someone making exaggerated claims about the wii capabilities (especially for motion sensing), so i guess he too will decide i must be saying the wii sucks, because to tell it as it is means the same thing. right? ;-).
lol, you can never 'win' online unless you tow the line, regardless of how wrong that line may be.
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by narutosaiyan - 2009-06-02 |
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» so ur saying they are all the same
i bet you it is not possible on natal, and good luck doin a sword game without anything to hold.also if u remember on the natal demo where the girl was driving how the hands of the character on the tv were twitching and not copying her exact movements, that is what im trying to point out. and if u were so smart u wouldnt be trying to prove ur absolutely genius point to a 12yr old.
i bet you it is not possible on natal, and good luck doin a sword game without anything to hold.also if u remember on the natal demo where the girl was driving how the hands of the character on the tv were twitching and not copying her exact movements, that is what im trying to point out. and if u were so smart u wouldnt be trying to prove ur absolutely genius point to a 12yr old.
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Re: sony_player - 2009-06-02 |
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» ps34me
Dude, ms didn't even have a live demonstration for natal, unless you count milo, which was obviously scripted, we have no idea how accurate natal is. But luckily there was a live demonstration for sony, imagine that
Dude, ms didn't even have a live demonstration for natal, unless you count milo, which was obviously scripted, we have no idea how accurate natal is. But luckily there was a live demonstration for sony, imagine that
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-02 |
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» i dont need to prove anything
you can bet all you like, have you used either system? no! have i? no of source not. so please. and natal scans everything, so yes, you CAN have an object in your hand, but the enthasist of their demonstration was to show control WITHOUT holding devices or objects.
the fact is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and we're going to have to wait for those who have hands on with BOTH systems to give us feedback on just how good and how accurate each system is.
and i made no claims of being a genius, i just know a fanboy when i see one, and when someone acts like a child, i'll call him/her a child.
you can bet all you like, have you used either system? no! have i? no of source not. so please. and natal scans everything, so yes, you CAN have an object in your hand, but the enthasist of their demonstration was to show control WITHOUT holding devices or objects.
the fact is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and we're going to have to wait for those who have hands on with BOTH systems to give us feedback on just how good and how accurate each system is.
and i made no claims of being a genius, i just know a fanboy when i see one, and when someone acts like a child, i'll call him/her a child.
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-02 |
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» sony_player? there were live demos?
they demonstrated natal on stage with live demos! seems to me you didn't watch the conference but either a) only seen a few highlights or b) read about it. :-|
they demonstrated natal on stage with live demos! seems to me you didn't watch the conference but either a) only seen a few highlights or b) read about it. :-|
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Re: sony_player - 2009-06-02 |
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» ^
Ooh, so they showed them navigating a menu with it, they eyetoy could do that. The bulk of the natal footage, the driving, the scanning, etc, was all from a trailer
Ooh, so they showed them navigating a menu with it, they eyetoy could do that. The bulk of the natal footage, the driving, the scanning, etc, was all from a trailer
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Re: 93pauott - 2009-06-02 |
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» sony_player
Natal cannot do much more than the EyeToy for the PS2 could have done.
Stop hyping it.
Natal cannot do much more than the EyeToy for the PS2 could have done.
Stop hyping it.
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-02 |
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» again, you clearly didn't see the conference then
because there were live demos on stage. narutosaiyan mentioned one of them.
because there were live demos on stage. narutosaiyan mentioned one of them.
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Re: sony_player - 2009-06-02 |
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» ^
What am I hyping? if anything, i'm unhyping. I don't plan on getting either, they eyetoy kinda blew, and so will this, unless that paintball tech demo comes to fruition :)
What am I hyping? if anything, i'm unhyping. I don't plan on getting either, they eyetoy kinda blew, and so will this, unless that paintball tech demo comes to fruition :)
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Re: Silver-Tiger - 2009-06-02 |
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» ....
look, we can agree that we have no idea how accurate Natal will be. Maybe it will be as accurate as Sony's thing. Maybe it will be better or worse. We don't know as we haven't seen ACTUAL live demonstration of it. So quit fighting please. We will see as tim passes.
One thig I do have to say, though. The PS3 combines both techniques. You have both the camera AND the wiimote clone. So basically everything the Wii and the 360 makes will be also possible on PS3 from now on. Just wanted to point that out.
@narutosaiyan: If you response, please do it in a mature manner. You give some very good points but you screws it with your childish behaviour.
look, we can agree that we have no idea how accurate Natal will be. Maybe it will be as accurate as Sony's thing. Maybe it will be better or worse. We don't know as we haven't seen ACTUAL live demonstration of it. So quit fighting please. We will see as tim passes.
One thig I do have to say, though. The PS3 combines both techniques. You have both the camera AND the wiimote clone. So basically everything the Wii and the 360 makes will be also possible on PS3 from now on. Just wanted to point that out.
@narutosaiyan: If you response, please do it in a mature manner. You give some very good points but you screws it with your childish behaviour.
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-02 |
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» yeah ok
"So quit fighting please. We will see as tim passes."
yes, and as you can see from my posts below, i've already come to that conclusion. ;-) but point taken.
"So basically everything the Wii and the 360 makes will be also possible on PS3 from now on. Just wanted to point that out."
to be honest i think it's much wider than that. they all now have the means to do the motion controlled games of their competition, although with full body recognision, i think natal may edge it, but that's probably going to be for games that appeal more to casual gamers, and not to me (call me old fashioned, but i like to sit down when playing games :-)).
hence i'm waiting to read/hear as many hands-on reports as possible.
"@narutosaiyan: If you response, please do it in a mature manner. You give some very good points but you screws it with your childish behaviour."
agreed.
"So quit fighting please. We will see as tim passes."
yes, and as you can see from my posts below, i've already come to that conclusion. ;-) but point taken.
"So basically everything the Wii and the 360 makes will be also possible on PS3 from now on. Just wanted to point that out."
to be honest i think it's much wider than that. they all now have the means to do the motion controlled games of their competition, although with full body recognision, i think natal may edge it, but that's probably going to be for games that appeal more to casual gamers, and not to me (call me old fashioned, but i like to sit down when playing games :-)).
hence i'm waiting to read/hear as many hands-on reports as possible.
"@narutosaiyan: If you response, please do it in a mature manner. You give some very good points but you screws it with your childish behaviour."
agreed.
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by 93pauott - 2009-06-02 |
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» Sub-Milimeter accuracy
Thats what the motion tracking device for the PS3 is known for.
and it looks so awesome.
Thats what the motion tracking device for the PS3 is known for.
and it looks so awesome.
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by narutosaiyan - 2009-06-02 |
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» umm he is right
the only live demo was the ball and elephant and they both sucked, and what if i am a fanboy, you still cant prove me wrong. the thing is if you think a little bit the eyetoy serves as a sensor and the controller as a point where the sensor can focus. now this might be mindblowing for you but when there is a focus point the accuracy of what will be shown on screen will mimic what the person is actually doing. if there is no focus then the sensor gets a *****load of random points making the output innacurate. that is what the wii does and thats what ps3 will do, n im pretty sure wii is successful with its motion sensor
the only live demo was the ball and elephant and they both sucked, and what if i am a fanboy, you still cant prove me wrong. the thing is if you think a little bit the eyetoy serves as a sensor and the controller as a point where the sensor can focus. now this might be mindblowing for you but when there is a focus point the accuracy of what will be shown on screen will mimic what the person is actually doing. if there is no focus then the sensor gets a *****load of random points making the output innacurate. that is what the wii does and thats what ps3 will do, n im pretty sure wii is successful with its motion sensor
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-02 |
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» being a fanboy is nothing to be proud of
being a gaming fan is what it's all about.
and it's not for me to prove you wrong, it's for the person who makes the claim to offer proof. you claimed the wiimote and natal couldn't do what the ps3 system can do, so it's for YOU to prove it. that's how it works.
and say all you like about natal, but as i said already, we will be reading hands-on reports from those at e3 who have used ALL the console motion devices available and therefore THEY are the ONLY people right now in a position to really compare them.
so let's wait and see what the verdict is when reporters have had a chance to use sony's and microsoft's system. then we can continue this discussion.
being a gaming fan is what it's all about.
and it's not for me to prove you wrong, it's for the person who makes the claim to offer proof. you claimed the wiimote and natal couldn't do what the ps3 system can do, so it's for YOU to prove it. that's how it works.
and say all you like about natal, but as i said already, we will be reading hands-on reports from those at e3 who have used ALL the console motion devices available and therefore THEY are the ONLY people right now in a position to really compare them.
so let's wait and see what the verdict is when reporters have had a chance to use sony's and microsoft's system. then we can continue this discussion.
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Re: Shatterdome - 2009-06-03 |
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» Natal has one huge advantage...
The natal can recognize what every part of your body is and turn that into an animation for your character on screen. I am sure the PS3's COULD do that, but you would have to attach glowing balls to key parts of your body.
You talk about focal points for sensors, well the PS3 uses glowing balls as focal points, the Natal uses the entire body of who is playing.
If you watch the ball hitting demo closely, as well as the silhouttes durring the paint demo, you can tell Natal is very accurate, as when the guy is swaying or making small movements, they are all reflected accurately in the 3D world.
They are inherently different concepts, although very similar as well. I would say in theory the ps3 could be more accurate as it's looking for "a glowing orb" instead of having to recognize a body....but in the end they do about as much work.....even though the ps3 is looking for a glowing ball it needs to find that ball in the mess of information the camera is capturing, just like the natal....natal has an edge in this as well as it uses two cameras, which gives it a 3D picture of the world and more reference points.
I like the idea of making a walking motion with my legs to walk forward (natal) rather than using an analog stick (ps3/wii). Still, chances are it will be awhile before any developers make anything good for this....or it will be much like Wii, where the first party software bundled with the accesory will be the only good stuff available.
The natal can recognize what every part of your body is and turn that into an animation for your character on screen. I am sure the PS3's COULD do that, but you would have to attach glowing balls to key parts of your body.
You talk about focal points for sensors, well the PS3 uses glowing balls as focal points, the Natal uses the entire body of who is playing.
If you watch the ball hitting demo closely, as well as the silhouttes durring the paint demo, you can tell Natal is very accurate, as when the guy is swaying or making small movements, they are all reflected accurately in the 3D world.
They are inherently different concepts, although very similar as well. I would say in theory the ps3 could be more accurate as it's looking for "a glowing orb" instead of having to recognize a body....but in the end they do about as much work.....even though the ps3 is looking for a glowing ball it needs to find that ball in the mess of information the camera is capturing, just like the natal....natal has an edge in this as well as it uses two cameras, which gives it a 3D picture of the world and more reference points.
I like the idea of making a walking motion with my legs to walk forward (natal) rather than using an analog stick (ps3/wii). Still, chances are it will be awhile before any developers make anything good for this....or it will be much like Wii, where the first party software bundled with the accesory will be the only good stuff available.
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by narutosaiyan - 2009-06-02 |
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» funny
because if you trust all the "gaming fans" at e3 then really u dont have your own opinion. i think the best game of all time is mgs4, most game critics say its halo, so why would i trust those same game critics with what they saw at e3? yea and from what i saw at e3 the LIVE demo of the STILL IN PRODUCTION ps3 motion controller seemed more accurate than wii or 360, i know u cant understand but accuracy is most important with motion sensors.
because if you trust all the "gaming fans" at e3 then really u dont have your own opinion. i think the best game of all time is mgs4, most game critics say its halo, so why would i trust those same game critics with what they saw at e3? yea and from what i saw at e3 the LIVE demo of the STILL IN PRODUCTION ps3 motion controller seemed more accurate than wii or 360, i know u cant understand but accuracy is most important with motion sensors.
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-02 |
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» everyone has an opinion...
...yes, even you. :-)
i didn't say i follow other opinions blindly, instead i listen/read all the opinions i can of those who have first hand experience and make my judgement based upon the COLLECTIVE opinions expressed, together with my own feelings on the matter.
"i think the best game of all time is mgs4, most game critics say its halo, so why would i trust those same game critics with what they saw at e3?"
who said anything about trust? even if every game critic on the planet agreed with you about mgs4, that doesn't mean they would say what you want them to say about the ps3's motion control compared to the 360's. once again, you need to take the views of as many people as possible (with hands-on experience), and look at all the pros and cons and highs and lows in their remarks, and together with your own feelings, arrive at a conclusion.
"i know u cant understand but accuracy is most important with motion sensors."
well, ignoring your patronizing tone, as i said already, until we read hands-on reports where comparisons between the ps3's motion control and the 360's natal can be made, then all you and i are saying here are really just empty words.
so please don't use the excuse of not trusting critics, because i suspect if the opinions favour what you've said here, you will embrace them, not dismiss them. what will become known over the next few days/weeks/months is which of the two new systems is more accurate, which is more flexible, which has more potential for gaming etc. so let's just wait and see.
...yes, even you. :-)
i didn't say i follow other opinions blindly, instead i listen/read all the opinions i can of those who have first hand experience and make my judgement based upon the COLLECTIVE opinions expressed, together with my own feelings on the matter.
"i think the best game of all time is mgs4, most game critics say its halo, so why would i trust those same game critics with what they saw at e3?"
who said anything about trust? even if every game critic on the planet agreed with you about mgs4, that doesn't mean they would say what you want them to say about the ps3's motion control compared to the 360's. once again, you need to take the views of as many people as possible (with hands-on experience), and look at all the pros and cons and highs and lows in their remarks, and together with your own feelings, arrive at a conclusion.
"i know u cant understand but accuracy is most important with motion sensors."
well, ignoring your patronizing tone, as i said already, until we read hands-on reports where comparisons between the ps3's motion control and the 360's natal can be made, then all you and i are saying here are really just empty words.
so please don't use the excuse of not trusting critics, because i suspect if the opinions favour what you've said here, you will embrace them, not dismiss them. what will become known over the next few days/weeks/months is which of the two new systems is more accurate, which is more flexible, which has more potential for gaming etc. so let's just wait and see.
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by haru3173 - 2009-06-02 |
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» come on
This needs to stop. You guys keep arguing about accuracy and blah blah blah. These things are still UNDER DEVELOPMENT. So its at an early stage and many things have not been implemented yet. Accuracy sucks? So what? I'm sure they'll fix i.t
This needs to stop. You guys keep arguing about accuracy and blah blah blah. These things are still UNDER DEVELOPMENT. So its at an early stage and many things have not been implemented yet. Accuracy sucks? So what? I'm sure they'll fix i.t
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Re: PS34ME - 2009-06-02 |
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» yeah i know
agreed. it's a pointless argument, especially right now. :)
agreed. it's a pointless argument, especially right now. :)
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Re: nehebkau - 2009-06-03 |
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» agreed
yeah... its like a pre-pre alpha version of it... and it was better than what MS showed... I mean the painting with their thing was idiotic!
and the writing worked really well, so it is pretty accurate.. at least for such an early stage in development!
yeah... its like a pre-pre alpha version of it... and it was better than what MS showed... I mean the painting with their thing was idiotic!
and the writing worked really well, so it is pretty accurate.. at least for such an early stage in development!
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by Scudreloaded - 2009-06-02 |
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» omg
So iv been going over a few websites that have the vids of E3.
and the motion control looks very promising actually.
and the gameplay videos are usualy always good
well sony not too bad this year. definitly wasnt expecting ff14 yet.
but other than the fugly psp go. things might start looking good again for us sony guys. and the week isnt even over :)
So iv been going over a few websites that have the vids of E3.
and the motion control looks very promising actually.
and the gameplay videos are usualy always good
well sony not too bad this year. definitly wasnt expecting ff14 yet.
but other than the fugly psp go. things might start looking good again for us sony guys. and the week isnt even over :)
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by Digitus - 2009-06-02 |
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» Lol
The amount of Fanboyism/(Fangirlism?) in this post is disgusting. But other than that I think Sony had the best conference this year of the three companies. They had a lot of good stuff to show including that really unexpected FFXIV. Their new motion gimmick controller seems to be what a lot of people expected, an add on to the Eye toy. Its interesting to say the least but like Microsofts, it is what it is. A gimmick, not necessary but being used to try and attract new people. Time will tell whos is actually better but right now I think its about as capable as Natal.
This article was laughable compared to actual live coverage by people who were actually at the conference. In the future I suggest people either watch it themselves or follow another site like IGN or Gamespot. They may be convoluted but they've got better writers. Or maybe this writer is just particularly crappy.
The amount of Fanboyism/(Fangirlism?) in this post is disgusting. But other than that I think Sony had the best conference this year of the three companies. They had a lot of good stuff to show including that really unexpected FFXIV. Their new motion gimmick controller seems to be what a lot of people expected, an add on to the Eye toy. Its interesting to say the least but like Microsofts, it is what it is. A gimmick, not necessary but being used to try and attract new people. Time will tell whos is actually better but right now I think its about as capable as Natal.
This article was laughable compared to actual live coverage by people who were actually at the conference. In the future I suggest people either watch it themselves or follow another site like IGN or Gamespot. They may be convoluted but they've got better writers. Or maybe this writer is just particularly crappy.
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by andre_euro - 2009-06-02 |
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» wat?
omg thats it???????, are u SERIOUS??? why hype nothing, theres nothing new or interesting there!!, god dam useless sony, full of dissappointment... unless by sum chance thats not all....
omg thats it???????, are u SERIOUS??? why hype nothing, theres nothing new or interesting there!!, god dam useless sony, full of dissappointment... unless by sum chance thats not all....
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Re: Digitus - 2009-06-02 |
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» Lolwut?
Sounds like someone forgot to go to E3 with their expectations in the floor. But even so, what were you expecting? Nintendo didn't show Zelda. Microsoft showed even less than Sony did. Sony gave us details on a lot of already announced titles as well as a few new announcements which all look pretty good. E3 isn't just about new games. Its about getting information for games.
Not to mention there is plenty interesting there. Just depends on where your fanboyism lies I suppose.
Sounds like someone forgot to go to E3 with their expectations in the floor. But even so, what were you expecting? Nintendo didn't show Zelda. Microsoft showed even less than Sony did. Sony gave us details on a lot of already announced titles as well as a few new announcements which all look pretty good. E3 isn't just about new games. Its about getting information for games.
Not to mention there is plenty interesting there. Just depends on where your fanboyism lies I suppose.
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by FORCE4121 - 2009-06-02 |
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» FF VII
IIIITTT IS OUT ON PSN caps
IIIITTT IS OUT ON PSN caps
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Re: death - 2009-06-03 |
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» lol
were you using a voice typing program or did u just wanna lets ppl know u were using caps
were you using a voice typing program or did u just wanna lets ppl know u were using caps
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by BiggBoss - 2009-06-03 |
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» Since We're Talking About Everyone's Press Conference...
I did not see the Nintendo one, but watched the Sony Conference live, and a replay of the Microsoft Conference.
Sony's 1:1 Motion technology was nice. It looks like it could be fun. The device seemed fairly accurate, and their demo did show that 1:1 that the Wii is missing.
Microsoft's Natal looks promising. But on the other hand, looks very cheesy. That commercial with the family all together, and the girl is driving the car looks so child like. Then the father tops it off by getting his imaginary impact drill, and changing the tires. Later on, the daughter tries on new cloths. Exciting...
I own all three systems. The Wii belongs to my wife. I only play that when she wants to play something. The PS3 and 360 are mine. I game on both, more on the PS3 since that was my first choice. With that said, nothing still beats a controller in my hand. I grew up with an Atari 2600. So since I was 5 or so, I've used a controller of some sort. If they take that away with this new stuff, I'm going to be one unhappy gamer. Bottom line.
I did not see the Nintendo one, but watched the Sony Conference live, and a replay of the Microsoft Conference.
Sony's 1:1 Motion technology was nice. It looks like it could be fun. The device seemed fairly accurate, and their demo did show that 1:1 that the Wii is missing.
Microsoft's Natal looks promising. But on the other hand, looks very cheesy. That commercial with the family all together, and the girl is driving the car looks so child like. Then the father tops it off by getting his imaginary impact drill, and changing the tires. Later on, the daughter tries on new cloths. Exciting...
I own all three systems. The Wii belongs to my wife. I only play that when she wants to play something. The PS3 and 360 are mine. I game on both, more on the PS3 since that was my first choice. With that said, nothing still beats a controller in my hand. I grew up with an Atari 2600. So since I was 5 or so, I've used a controller of some sort. If they take that away with this new stuff, I'm going to be one unhappy gamer. Bottom line.
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Re: Shatterdome - 2009-06-03 |
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» ...
It's going to be a long time before a system goes completely motion control, in which case it would have to be some sort of virtual reality machine.
These motion capture controlers are going to have very specific games made for them, and will be optional probably for at least two more generations.
It's going to be a long time before a system goes completely motion control, in which case it would have to be some sort of virtual reality machine.
These motion capture controlers are going to have very specific games made for them, and will be optional probably for at least two more generations.
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