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won't the 360 just overheat and die?
yes... it will just overheat and die.
Go read the real news, PS3 is now also dieing in the USA -
http://xbox360.qj.net/Pretty-colors-U-S-hardware-sales-for-week-ending-April-29/pg/49/aid/91224
i was just thinking about that
or maybe mic doesnt want it coz it doents realy have a 3 core cpu or it might be well under powered just so ppl can think the 360 cpu is just as gd as the ps3s cpu lol
Join the link together to see the sales, this site dont allow big links -
http://xbox360.qj.net/Pretty-colors-U-S-hardware-sales-for-week-ending-April-29/pg/49/
aid/91224
this goes 2 the stupid ms fans qweqw and ertert
ok the so called elite 360 just come out thats y the sales r up.
the ps3 has everythink the 360 has but more. mic r just riping there fans. oh yer and have u looked at the photos of the elite main board to see wot mic did 2 stop the red light problem??
they put glue under the gpu and cpu. how low is that?
mic suck they dont want 2 fix the original problem but instead the use a cheap and crap method that might not last long
Since the GPU on the Xbox is an ATI it will work with folding@home, the thing is that if they did put folding@home on the 360 it would cause the deaths of lots of 360s before their warranties expire.
Alot of people fold 24/7 on the PS3
whoever leaves a PS3 on just to fold is a complete idiot - the point is that the PS3 folds when its still on but not inuse/low-power mode.
the ps3 doesn't fold when it's off, lmao, omg, it's off dude, standby is nonfunctional, red light is off, green light is on and we're the idiots?
what an ass hole. the whole point is to do something good for science. 200 watts of power isn't *****, a few light buls. I'm cool with leaving it on 24/7 forever, which is what I've done since the day folding came out. Many many others have as well, as you can tell by their stats.
Problem is, MS fans don't care about ***** but their lowly console and their stupid games. Stanford knew that the better educated, harder working PS3 fans would both leave it on 24/7 for them, and be home less to play games because they have real jobs, unlike loser xbox fans :)
And probably 14-15 years old. With any luck, you'll die young! :D
Nasty Gamer You are an evil Mutha *****a to wish death on anyone!!
More than likely you are just a kid running his stupid ass mouth where he should not.
"Nasty Gamer You are an evil Mutha *****a to wish death on anyone!!"
Hit a nerve did I? My name says it all and the smiley is there for a reason. Yes it's in poor taste, but I doubt anyone would take it seriously...oh wait...you did. :D Now go shot yourself in the head.... Oh wait, I should be careful, you'll take that seriously too. :P
Because leaving it on 24/7 is COMPLETELY unheard of.
I think ALL fanboys should be stuffed into a bag and thrown into the sea to drown. :)
So I hope you're not a fanboy too.
Isn't this process performed on PCs (y'know, those systems performing 20 times slower) as well as the PS3?
So it's better to run this on 3million PS3s than 10million 360's?
This is about distributed computing, how fast a 360 is compared to a PS3 is surely irrelevant.
This guy should be jumping all over the chance to increase the number of processors helping.
there 3 million ps3s but theres no 10 million 360's
about 3 million have been sent back because of hardware faults and the new ones that are replaces from the shops are marked as a new sale so ppl r like on there 5 360 so far (well i know some one who is on there 4th here in the uk) but ps3 has yet 2 see a major fault and ppl have been leaveing them on for over 24h
I've said this before, but regardless of the overall cause, Microsoft won't do it because they know their box is slower. Just look at some of the comments here to realize the bad PR this would give the 360. It would be suicide for Microsoft.
Everyone knows PS3 is only good for a protien folding calculator. Good job PS3!
Yup, i use my PS3 to folds proteins in my milkshake everymorning...what !? What do you expect me to do, theres no games! hahahah
you still post here you ass hole?? Are you kidding me? do you think ANYONE cares what you say anymore? It doesn't even bother me anymore, and everyone has seen your name slandered time and time again, so when you come here to post, they just laugh at you!! Do you like it when they laugh at you??
And what the Fu Ck QJ?? What with the censorship?? Your high dollar site drawing too much attention from a few broken swear words? You think anyone gives a fu ck about this place?? You actually DELETED my relevant post on this topic. Now I'm pissed!
you guys are the biggest losers i have ever seen HAHAHA, the PS3 is only good for folding, 360 is better at actual games, wow you guys are the biggest ignorant losers i have ever seen. You guys should really go back to school and get some real education, your so loyal to a company which scams you and just wants to steal your money. What you guys do to defend the 360 not being powerful enough is bring up topics is not revelant. You are already pathetic enough for wasting your time to come bash the PS3, why dont you just let it be and go play your 360 if its so good. Since you are all graphics whores..in the end PS3 will have the best looking game, i guarentee, but right now they are about equal and they are both good systems and i enjoy my 360 and PS3, but i know the PS3 has more potential and it wont be used tons, but it will be used, and there will be no those games that blow people away. PS2 won by far with worse graphics last time, it will again, the PS3 will win in the LONG run. The Sony brand is too strong, too established, and considering microsoft has NO spot in Europe or Japan, they automatically lose, if Sony doesn't win, Nintendo WILL.
sony fanboy alert, the sony brand is too strong, too established, LOL
I highly doubt you have any say in who's a loser or not.
Your right, fanboy!!!!! just kidding i love sony, there to strong,and too established.
Protein System 3...hmmm...Is that a joke ! ;)
While it's true that the PS3 casn run cirlces around the 360 in processing power, that shouldn't mater. The PS3 is 20 times faster then the PC yet they still support the PC.
Any amount of power is worth the cause. I think they should do it. Although I have doubts of the 360 being able to handle the heat. Did they make any cooling improvments with the Elite?
I take some of that back.
Maybe they don't have enough time to create YET ANOTHER client or add YET ANOTHER client to thier workload of support.
Maybe the only reasons they did take the plunge and add YET ANOTHER client to the scheme with the PS3 was because of the awesome advantages and processing power of it.
Maybe "anything" that simply gives the same results of a PC wont be worth their time. IE, their time is better spent on other things.
the xbox couldn't fold a paper dong even if it had antlers.
anyone seen my ***** pump
well said ernie.
Can we stop the whole xbox 360 people calling our console please! Just because we have a different console to you why do you feel the need to flame? The artcle you read is all true and if you dont understand in your little minds that the ps3 has more processing power then just close your mouth and walk away.
It's got a different type of processor suited for floating point calculations. Basically, HD video playback (360 can do it anyway) and protien folding are it's expertise. It just sucks for gaming.
The XBOX 360 has a more powerful processor for gaming.
...but did you know that ATI's GPU offers better performance than Cell? It's there in the stats and they say this on their website, saying the PS3 is somewhere between a PC and an ATI GPU in terms of flexibility and performance.
So yes, Folding on the PS3's Cell should offer about twice the performance of Folding on the 360's CPU alone (going by the specs), but the 360's ATI GPU will offer better performance than Cell.
So optimised for the 360 fully, it's quite probable that the 360 will outperform the PS3 for Folding. :)
If the PS3 is agreed to be "suited for floating point calculations", then that certainly means its gaming potential exceeds that of the 360. Games depend upon floating point calculations to draw polygons. The ATI vs Nvidia GPU is a debatable matchup. If we are to take performance on their PC products as a measure, both firms usually have comparable technology and capability --with Nvidia usually edging ATI out.
"The ATI vs Nvidia GPU is a debatable matchup. If we are to take performance on their PC products as a measure, both firms usually have comparable technology and capability --with Nvidia usually edging ATI out."
I you did some research, you would realise that in terms of using GPUs for floating-point calculations, NVidia GPUs offer poor performance, especially compared to ATI GPUs.
This has been stated by numerous sources, including on the Folding@Home website itself;
http://folding.stanford.edu/FAQ-highperformance.html
Quote: "Previous work of ours used NVIDIA GPUs as well, but we have now concentrated on ATI GPU's as they allow for significant performance increases for FAH over NVIDIA's GPU's (at least at the current generation)"
PS3's flops are 204GFLOPS i don't know xbox360's but its definitely lower, considering IBM the maker of the cell is shipping them for practically anything especially servers(which are very powerful, just a tidbit for a stupid person), the GPU on the PS3 is more powerful then the xbox360's MHz wize because PS3's is 550MHz(RSX, nVidia) and Xbox360's is 500Mhz(ATI,Xenon), also the PS3's Processor runs at 3.2GHz(Cell, IBM, 7 Cores 1 main) Xbox360's is 3.2Ghz(Waternoose, IBM, 3 core). For stupid people more cores makes a hole lot difference. Also there both Power PC's. So ps3 "CAN" run faster just remember its all on how the developers make the engines for the games, so a ps3 game not a "port" usually runs faster then a none "port" game on an Xbox360.
I own a 360 and think this is really cool!
Although the 360 has been out for bloody ages now and has some good games, its good to hear that the PS3 gets some original code and good press seen as all it has got so far is not so hot.
I have always hated game ports. Whats the point of playing a game thats an inferior experience because you bought a different console???
Original games made for the hardware in question is always how I purchase and always will. Little Big Planet will make me seriously want a PS3 and so will GT5 (cos the guys a perfectionist) for a start.
Apologies for all the insecure fanboy *****s and for the moment enjoy folding on the best Hardware untill a wave of new AAA titles surface and the strengths of the PS3 are exploited....
Good call Pob. I own both, and enjoy them both. The more quality systems out there, the more quality games we get.
the main reason why is not the clockspeed of the cpu it has to do with the type of intsrution is beeing used (like sse1,2&3)----------I'm not shure what type of code PS3 uses,-------------------------------------------But when intel ships the penren , the new quad core will use sse4 which will be faster if developers use it right.
you guys are jumping out of your seats saying "its 20x more powerful than a pc, its the most powerful" but notice how the ps3 games are still pretty much crap compared w/ pc games? sure the ps3 can do math, but that doesnt matter when you implement that to the game since most game designers simply cant afford to spend that kind of money creating their engine to use the math power available, especially when it isnt cost effective (1/8 of the multiplatform audience).
It's a good thing we're not talking about games and we're talking about Folding@Home eh?
didn't everyone know this?
The ps3 can calculate alright...great at physics and processing equations...but...what about games?
Jesus *****ing christ!
It is a GAMING CONSOLE for crying out loud...and you fanboys are freaking out about a god damn calculating app?
Gaming is going to suck just as much as hollywood films soon....
didn't everyone know this?
The ps3 can calculate alright...great at physics and processing equations...but...what about games with great Physics that need to process Equations before implementing the results into graphical representations on screen?
Jesus *****ing christ!
It is a GAMING CONSOLE for crying out loud...and you fanboys are freaking out about a god damn calculating that provides good ground for the future gaming experience where bloom effects and 4xaa just don't cut it any more to fool us of a realistic experience.
Gaming is going to suck just as much as hollywood films soon if we don't start getting some actors that can act in out games....
did you miss the *****ing point numbnuts?
I'm talking about ARGUING OVER THIS APP NOT ABOUT WHAT THE PS3 CAN DO!
you fanboys are freaking out at what something that has nothing to do with gaming!
sony fanboys are desperate to make their pos3 have something better than 360 when there is nothing better, 360 is the ultimate period
I was getting bored of the same ole "cover up" effects on certain consoles too (HDR and my Iris are two very different entities). Its like the over bright sun effect on the PS2 that simply got boring.
Let's hope that physics can save entertainment then cos graphics just don't cut it alone any more...
Some of you people are retarded. Listen, if Microsoft could, they would. And to be honest, I think they can. Some of your statistics are plain retarded. You know who you are. The douche bag that said 3 million 360's are returned for hardware problems. Please, go on and continue *****ing your blow up doll, *****.
It will be funny seeing a bunch X360s not doing half of what few PS3s can do.
Be sure to check the OS stats on the Standford website.
ps3 sucks in gaming? U guys will be eating ur words when MGS4, LAIR and FFXIII hits the ps3... for now you guys can actually play ur gEARS OF WAR and complete it for the 100th time since the gameplay lasts for like 6 hrs? by the way... LAIR OWNS GEARS OF WAR IN GRAPHICS HANDSDOWN!... go whine and cry about it..
The creator has already claimed that the 360 can't do ***** with folding... so please dun give me the GPU bull***** that its better than cell.. it just shows how ignorant you are being unable to accept reality... carry on sucking bill's balls....
people are not playing gears of war main campain over and over they are online but you would not know anything about online gaming cause ps3 online sucks and no one is on it LOL
At least it's free ;)
no more holding back I used to be nice and say ps3, from now on it pos3, because the pos3 is a total train wreck, everything so far about the pos3 has been a disappointment that is what sony fanboys get for believing every word that comes out of sonys mouth there is nothing the pos3 has or does better than xbox 360, the sixasses worse than the dual shock 2, ugly ass design console even bigger than the origional xbox, no good online, no good exclusive games, final fantasy and metal gear will not save sony, its over, sony fanboys are so friggin desperate folding home, ps3 home, are you friggin kidding me none of those things has anything to do with videogames, I know that even sony fanboys are looking foward to games so why are you guys talking about meaningless features anybody that has taken a nonbiased looked at ps3 home knows that will not have any kind of major impact , sony is fake and now all those years of lying is catching up to them sony does not care about games they just care about selling there hardware cell and bluray disks hint hint, microsoft doesn't care about gaming either, but at least they did something for gaming, what? XBOX Live, ask yourself what has sony ever really done for gaming?
sony revolutionised console gaming you *****ing idiot!! jesus u seriously know nothing!! if there was no second world war..the two sony founders wouldnt have met - no sony -no playstation - no xbox! sony were one of the first companies to use CD media, turning the gamiing industry to a new dirrection.
It's more reliable u don't hear ps3 breaking down
I mean, it's kind of an odd thing for Vijay to say considering that each Xbox360 has a graphics card roughly equivalent to a slightly slower X1900XT... the very same card that Vijay's team uses for the GPU implementation of Folding@Home. The F@H site states that PS3s, CPUs, and GPUs all do entirely different work units, so I wonder why he compared the PS3 to the 360 like that.
My guess is that he's partial to the PS3 for the same reason we'll be using it in one of my college's graduate courses next semester -- it's a really powerful machine that's decently priced (considering) and can run Linux. The fact that Sony distributes F@H for free is the icing that makes the cake.
At any rate, I think my 360 would be quite happy sitting next to its' PS3 brethren in doing their part in helping researchers find cures to major diseases.
RANT RANT RANT RANT.
Yeah... Xbox360 = Less than a PC, why put folding@home on it? Whats next? Putting it on the Wii?
Clearly someone's computer is better than anyones *****ty console, so get a life ;3
END OF RANT RANT RANT
I like my Ps3 though.
Xbox360 I wait for Halo3
Wii ... I don't ever see you ; ;
f@h is NOT about gaming power. unless your game is simply number crunching...
ok, the guy likes running f@h on the ps3 as it has those 7 spu's which are dedicated number crunching units.
the x360 has 3 more dynamic processors, the spu's can probs crunch numbers as fast as one of the x360's cpu's (maybe a bit slower) but can't do some of the things the x360's can. that's why the ppu handles those things.
the problem with the x360 is that it doesn't connect to the internet in the same way as ps3, xboxlive is great for gaming and accessing ms's own stuff, but if ms open it up to something like f@h then it changes somewhat. ALSO while f@h has been allowed to use the rsx (btw the numbers say rsx is a mite worse than the x360 gfx chip, but only like 1 or 2% performance) and the entire cpu on the ps3 - aka 7 cores, rsx and ppu. the x360's set up is that one cpu is running the user interface thingy (dashboard), one runs the main meat of a game, and the third picks up slack... this basically means f@h would have to overhaul the whole way ms have designed the x360 to make as much use of it as with the ps3.
with 3 powerful cpus and the ati gfx chip in the x360 i'm sure it could do the job as well as ps3 (give or take) but the way the systems are rigged it won't work like that.
also the guy's spent a great deal of time coding the app t work well on ps3, he'd have to spend a great deal of time more on making one for x360...
i don't really think he's casting aspersions on the actual processing power of the x360, he's just saying the ps3 is easier and better suited.
if ther'es one thing we should all know it's that graphics are more down to the skills of developers, middleware tools, budgets, time constraints and system age than simple 'power'.
yeah, the ps3 has to be ON to run f@h... duh
LOL the 360 only has 1 CPU u fool!! it has 3 cores!! for the ps3..the spe's are its cores..ps3 has 7..the 360 has 3 BOTH have ONE CPU bot running at 3.2GHz!!!
Hi guys, could I just say complete unbiasedly as I have had a 360 and now own a PS3 that the 360 and PS3 are both good systems. The 360 has more games and a well estabilshed online service the downside of which is you have to pay which is understandable. The PS3 has an online service which is just as good as the 360s and to be honest is better designed and implemented plus it's free but doesn't have as much content YET. To the person who said that there is no-one on PSN, they are wrong and that statement is completely unfounded. There are plenty of people on PSN. In terms of reliability the PS3 is definitely more reliable than the 360. Of course some peoples PS3s may overheat but what electronic devices which produces such heat doesn't. When it comes to folding@home if the founder of the application believes that the PS3 are more worthwhile for folding then he must be right. Surely he has based his statement on substantiated facts and statistics, if not then of course who knows but I doubt he would of made his statement without doing his homework. I hope I have been unbiased in my comment and for everyone I'm not American so if you disagree with what I've said please don't call me a stupid American or a PS3 fanboy.
sony revolutionized gaming, oh please, sony never did anything for gaming if you were not a kid you would know that all sony did to get where they are today is steal squareenix away from nintendo final fantasy 7 was coming out for the nintendo 64, I still have the magazine with the screen shots to prove it I bet you sony fanboys did not that did you, did you guys know it took sony a year and a half to sell 1.5 million playstation ones, kind of a similar situation xbox 360 is in taking a very long time for sales to pick up, once final fantasy 7 was released on playstation, playstation left the competition in the dust, If you have squareenix making exclusive games for your system you automatically win, that is why playstation consoles have so many rpgs, square has like 8 rpg franchises alone, that is why microsoft is aggressively going after square to make games for the 360 without square xbox 360 has no chance against playstation 3. Xbox 360 is about to do in 2007 what sony did with playstation 1 in 1997, microsoft is in the same position sony was in 1997 microsoft is starting fresh in japan and I think the equal game to final fantasy 7 is lost odyssey not final fantasy 13 that is what I think just watch and see and it does not hurt that square enix has games in developement for 360, just wait for the anouncements.
Regarding the last sentence of this article: sadly, NOTHING is "worthy enough to break even the toughest fanboyism." Want proof? Look at the other comments to this article.
Fanboyism and its brother, the console wars, are more destructive to gamers than Jack Thompson and Uwe Boll combined. They take the fun out of gaming, as we care more about competition than enjoying our games. We as gamers must stop this competitive nonsense before it gets as ridiculous and all-encompassing as the battle between Democrats and Republicans has become to the United States government.
I want to highlight that comparison, because I think it works well. Nowadays, politicians are solely focused on beating the other party. Republicans fire attourneys for disagreeing with the President while Hilary Clinton bullsh*ts to make herself look good and Nancy Polosi is the biggest ***** since...well, since Hilary Clinton. Meanwhile, kids too young to vote who don't even follow the news talk about how the President orchestrated 9/11 while at the same time saying he's too stupid to tie his shoes (apparently harder than orchestrating a massive conspiracy, eh?) and others have the nerve to say the military hospital issue was no big deal. Nobody is using common sense in politics anymore; it's just "us vs. them".
The same thing is happening in gaming, and it has to stop. Forget which system you own and which company you have been supporting for years. Even if you dislike company A for a reason you consider justifiable (i.e., something more reasonable than disliking company A just because you like company B), express it rationally and specifically. You can like and dislike whatever you want, but don't take it to the extremes or you'll just come out sounding stupid.
All the time we spend posting these comments could better be spend playing the very games about which we comment. It's not easy; we can't just make a choice to stop caring about competition unless we have unbelievable willpower. Everybody, especially people who write for gaming media, needs to stop. Because even though I know all the stuff I'm saying is true, I still get drawn in by the artificial prospect of any company failing that this sort of nonsense creates. I posted about this at my blog (unknownwarrior33.blogspot.com) and on MyQJ, and I got some comments from people who agree, so I know there are some of you out there. Please help me spread this message.
And in case any QJ writers are reading this, you guys can have a huge impact on this. Many of your articles mention the console wars and competition, specifically how certain events may affect them, and they also make or mention unnecessary comparisons between systems. For example, in this article, the paragraph asking about why they chose the PS3 was unnecessary. And when reporting on sales charts, you don't have to comment on them. Some of your articles keep neutrality excellently, but others are greatly lacking.
I'm not asking anyone to censor themselves; I'm just asking everyone to tone it down. I'll once again pose the question I posed in my blog entry: if you didn't know anything about the other systems, would you enjoy your system more? If the answer is yes, you know what I'm getting at. It's hard to enjoy system A when comments by writers and other gamers constantly make you second-guess your choice not to support system B. Writers (at QJ and elsewhere) and game company executives (executives at all three console manufacturers have furthered the console wars), if gamers really come first, please stop all the comparisons. Let us make our own choices and enjoy what we have.
That version of my comment was for the masses. This next session is for people like many of my fellow commentors, who go on and on about why one console sucks without even using evidence or, even more basic, proper grammar. Here's what I say to those people: SHUT UP ALREADY! We don't care which console you like. We don't care what genre you prefer. We don't care about your spin on the info w
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