Posted Aug 23, 2007 at 10:45PM by Isaac C. Listed in: News, Unreal Tournament 3, Games Tags: Epic Games, Unreal Engine, Leipzig Games Convention, Mark Rein
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Mark Rein explained during Leipzig Games Convention 2007 that because of Gears of War, the developers at Epic Games gained experience which turned out to be a great help in the development of Unreal Tournament III. Since both games use the Unreal Engine 3, developers had the advantage after making GOW.

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Rein, VP of Epic, further says that UT3 will be also be able to utilize more of the Unreal Engine than GOW did, thanks largely to their experience with it:

We're a little ahead on PlayStation 3 compared to where we were at this time on Xbox 360, and what I mean by that is our code and our level of completeness, and that's because we have shipped a game with Unreal Engine 3 already. [...] When you see UT, this pushes the engine a lot harder than Gears of War did. I know it sounds preposterous because of how great Gears of War is, but we're pushing this up another notch. I'm very proud of that, and I think it's good for us and it's good for our licensees.


That's not to say that 360 owners will be deprived of the same boost in development. The current problem UT3 is experiencing with the 360 has to do with the limitations of the console's DVD format. No news yet whether Epic Games will be taking advantage of Microsoft's decision to let some games require a hard drive to run on the 360.


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   by Spectre (Unregistered) - 2007-08-23
 » Yes...

YES....pwnt baby. UT3 it is. !!!!


   Re: hjkhjk (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » Hard drives are more important than hddvd or bluray very soon

Firstly it is obvious that the devs are going to take the PC route now that the hard drives in consoles are getting so big most games will proberly be installed on the Harddrive with just 1 dvd doing the copy protection checks etc.

Kinda makes hddvd and blu ray disc capacity a lot less important now they are leaning more toward hard drive sizes and it looks like MS proberly saw this coming all along

   Re: skippy (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » First thing is...

First thing is that the PC version will be a DVD-9 so in the end it doesnt really matter. I think it will require a hard drive for the 360.

   Re: Folding Junkie! - 2007-08-24
 » What did you say?

Do you realize what you are saying? There is no way that consoles will ever get to the point that the disc is ever used solely for copyright protection methods.

Now I realize that the real reason for this illogical and poorly thought argument is that you are just trying to justify your decision.

You are giving Microsoft far too much credit, though. They are getting blindsided right now by a $1 billion dollar warranty campaign and the fact that they not only did not see this coming but they dropped the ball by not adding HD-DVD in the box.

You are proberly wrong!

   Re: Quixand - 2007-08-24
 » hahaha

oh man!!! some people just have no clue at all!!!

good thing folding replied to ur post or else i wouldn't have read how stupid ur comment is!!! games on harddrives with disk for copyright protection and that MS saw this coming all along... well newsflash hotshot it is not MS with has a harddrive in all its console.

anyway folding has said it all anyway except that, sorry to disagree with you folding, but there is no reason for this illogical and poorly thought argument except either drugs or extremely poor genes.

you are proberly plucking pubes for a living.

   Re: Manny151 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » @hjkhjk

You're an idiot. Had MS seen this coming they would've put harddrives in all their consoles and by not soing it now they will alienate all those console owners that bought the core unit and in time a lot of people who bought the premium console too seeing as how it only has a 20GB HDD and only about 14 of those 20GB are available to the user. So that means that people will have no choice but to buy the proprietary 120GB HDD from Microsft for a ridiculous price. I know all this because I won a 360 and a PS3. I like my 360 but I love my PS3. I already installeda 160GB HDD on my PS3 for the price of a 20GB proprietary 360 HDD. Next time think before you post. MS is screwing every single one of their costumers and they don't give a damn. Everything with the 360 is proprietary from the HDD to the memory cards and even the content you put in your console. The only thing you can put in there that's your own is your music and only if you own the CD can you rip it to the HDD as far as your MP3 goes or your photos or videos you'll have to stream them. Not the case with the PS3. But hey go ahead an keep worshiping MS and keep paying out the wassu for every single little thin. The other day I tried to change my Gamertag on live and it actually wanted to charge me to change my name on XBOX live ain't that a b1tch!!!! 800MS points I couldn't believe it.

   Re: hahahahah (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » maybe he meant

MS DID see this coming. Thats why theyre charging $$$ for their high priced HDD!!!

   Re: kd (Unregistered) - 2007-08-25
 » lets see abt hard drives

some people here are saying that harddrive is future shure it is lets see currently ut3 will be abt 15 gb on ps3 but future games will be about more than 40 gb heavenly sword has 10gb of audio so we can expect full game about 30 gb ps3 has no problem for thats because of bluray if harddrive is future for ms fanboys then day is near for them to buy a full game in harddrive ms fanboy will go to shop and ask the shopkeeper i want a harddrive of unreal tournament 3 and they will bring new game harddisk and put in the aass of there xbox360 haha game looks good and after playing the game they will say ps3 is expensive and microsoft is cheap nevermind they have to take out money from there asss and put harddisk also in asss of shiitbox360

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   Re: dk (Unregistered) - 2007-08-25
 » ^^^kd, you must be no more than 10 years old

That has to be one of the dumbest posts in this thread so far.
   by kij (Unregistered) - 2007-08-23
 » well...

there you go, the makers of GoW (best 360 game) saying that UT3 will be better on ps3 and pc than 360, and a way better game...switch disk to contiue rant...

*open tray*

"NO!!! MY DISK IS SCRATCHED UP!!! DAM U MICROSOFT!!!"


   Re: ghjghj (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » DIsk scratched ? Myth man, and unreal is boring

Your disc is scratched well you shouldnt turn any machine that has a spinning disc on its side while its on , you silly boy.

Hard drives are the way forward I agree that soon the DVD will just be the installer etc.

Since when has Unreal been a good game anyway , its rubbish online and most of the players I meet up with are take it all to serius nerds in fact it put me off playing it on my PC, and the one player game is nothing special and linear..

   Re: Thinker (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » Consolation

"Since when has Unreal been a good game anyway"
This has been the statement of most 360 fanboys when:
1) What they thought to be a 360 exclusive turns out not to be one
2) Some (apparent) limitation of the 360 for playing that game is announced
3) 360 version of a game is rated to have (apparent) faults

That is why your " (put in name of any game which shows 360 in a bad light here) is not a good game anyway" statement sounds hollow.

   Re: Spectre (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » ROFL

Thinker, you make me laugh. 2 points!
   by cerberus414 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-23
 » uh huh

If my memory serves me right, didn't Mark Rein himself refute the whole issue with the UT3 not fitting on the DVD rumor, because some sony fanboy WANTED to misinterpret. So don't give me this bull*****...


   Re: Thinker (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » To cerberus414 (Unregistered)

Actually, this is what he said on the issue:

--start of quote--
The simple facts state that the optical disc on the PS3 holds more data than the optical disc on the 360. If we exceed size of the 360s optical disc then we'll have to find alternative ways to get the content to 360 users such as making it downloadable. Adding a second DVD to a game like UT3 would be a challenge because when playing online you might not know exactly what map you're going to be playing next and we have to be able to accommodate users of the core system. So does that mean the disc on the 360 might have a map or two less? Possibly although it is too early to tell for sure.
--end of quote--

And no, it's not just Sony fanboys who are eager to misinterprete, 360 fanboys are just as eager to believe what they like.

As you can see from Mark Rein's quote, he acknowledges that if they want to provide all content available on the PS3's blu-ray to the 360 gamers, they will have to find some workaround. This workaround may take the following forms:
1) Provide multiple DVDs for the game. However, if they do so, it might be difficult while playing online as the next map may not be on the same disc.
2) Enforce hard disk. If they do so, Core owners may be compromised.
3) Provide less content.

So no, there was no misinterpretation, although the whole thing was probably blown up out of proportion.
   by Quixand - 2007-08-23
 » lighten up guys

all i can say is thank you Gears!!! i'll be playing a great UT3 and you helped pave the way.

as for the dvd on the 360... it really is holding it back but you have to take the bad with the good... they got the 360 into retail stores first cause they used dvd unlike sony with bluray in its ps3 and it allowed them to take a significant headstart (which is giving the console more games that were previously exclusive to the competition and makes it lead console as well in multiplat game development) but the dvd is now hindering the future development of games on the console and the core model isn't helping the cause... and it's still very early in the generation with more resource demanding games bound to be developed from this point onwards.

the ps3 does have blu ray and better hardware but it is playing catch up... i'm just happy as a PS3 owner that the games i'll be getting are getting better and better and won't be reaching the stand-still mark for years to come.


   Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » ...

360 is not hindering any developments. PS3 is the only console hindering developments at the moment, hence the numerous delays of cross platform and first party titles. Back to BioShock.

PS: Who thinks UT3 will generate 4 million sales before Christmas?

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   Re: Quixand - 2007-08-24
 » u mistanderstood me devise

i didn't say anything regarding the development progress of any game... what i said was that the dvd is hindering the XBox360 when it comes to future development of games and that the core isn't helping the cause.... and that it's still very early in the generation with more resource demanding games bound to be developed from this point on.

sorry i just basically copied my post above.

as for the UT3 reaching 4 million before XMas... it is unlikely... with all the adventure/action games coming out at the same time (assassins, rachet, heavenly, drake etc) and with the Playstation community leaning more on those genre (like japanese consumers for example) it is very hard for a FPS to really breakaway especially since it also has other FPS games to compete with like COD4 and Haze.

   Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » ...

Just like PS2 was hindered by a slower processor and smaller memory than the Xbox 1. BioShock is a 20-30 hour FPS with amazing detail and huge open environments. It runs just fine on a core 360. I think we have seen enough of both platforms to recognize with a 10 to 30 million budget you can deliver a great next gen experience on either platform. And I'll be surprised if we see anything developed this generation that wasn't possible on either platform.

And no UT3 wont sell 4 million copies by Christmas, it will be lucky to get to a million. Gears was a system seller for the 360. It was what really made people stand up and notice the power of next gen gaming. Gears of War hurt Sony bad, any "benefit" they might receive from it is nothing compared to the strength of the franchise they help MS create. UT3 isn't going to do that for Sony. And considering that the 360 is getting this title at a later date anyway, it sure isn't going to help Sony sell many more systems.

   Re: Quixand - 2007-08-24
 » it is good then

that i didn't mention anything about UT3 benefitting Sony by selling consoles... simply benefit the Sony gamers by gears making the UT3 a better game.

and i haven't really heard anyone say before that UT3 will be a console seller for Sony even from a PS3 fan... all i keep hearing is that it will be a better shooter than Halo3... but never heard it mentioned as a console seller, i don't think that expectation was ever trust upon UT3... i think it was MGS4, FFXIII, and GT5 that PS3 fans, industry analysts, and gaming sites were pushing as console sellers... not UT3. The UT3 for PS3 in 2007 was just a surprise announcement made last E3 and even then it was even overshadowed by KZ2 and MGS4.

   Re: Thabor (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » Open environment?


Sorry, try again.. Bioshock is a sweet game, but it is exactly the opposite of a open environment. Please come back when you know the difference between expansive outdoor environments, and being locked in a building underwater..

   Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » ...

Open plan, open world environment sound better to you? Geez, lol. I just meant that you aren't forced through maps with it closing behind you have to move forward through the environment.

Just finished it by the way, damn that was good.

Quixland my system seller comment was just keeping to the theme of the topic. I wasn't accusing you of saying of thinking that.

And MGS4 wasn't at E3, and COD4 got more acclaim then KZ2 but I get your last point.

   Re: Manny151 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » Finally someone with some sense

It takes a PS3 owner to put people in their place. jk But seriously, the DVD drive is gonna make it hard for MS to keep up especially with the core models not having a hard drive at all. Also the 20GB hard drive is going to seem realy small really soon. I don't know what MS is using up the space with but you only have access to about 13.5GB of the 20gb it comes with. So even if you only install part of the game to the HDD 14GB just aint gonna cut it. You're going to be forced to uninstall the game once you've finished it to make room for the next. Either that or buy a ridiculously priced proprietary hard drive from MS, the future is looking bleak for the 360. I mean it's only on it's second year and its already calling short. The 360 version won't be inferior do to disc space but it will be short a couple of maps and more than likely they will have to be downloaded. And they're only on their second year, what's gonna happen 2 years from now, put out another console? They rushed it and they didn't think ahead and it's gonna cost them.

   Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » ...

It was reported that the 360 version of DMC4 is looking better than the PS3 version. Don't think the 360 is having any problems with DVD9 or core 360's. That's a game developed natively for the PS3 and ported to the 360 within the last few months.

   Re: Physician (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » ^^

yeah sure whatever you say buddy keep believing that.Whatever helps you sleep at night.

   Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-08-25
 » ....

Gamespy: 360 version of Devil May Cry 4 has better visuals than PS3
http://digg.com/xbox_360/Gamespy_360_version_of_Devil_May_Cry_4_has_better_visuals_than_PS3

   Re: . (Unregistered) - 2007-08-25
 » .

Oh Devise didn't you hear Capcom is using the latest build of Devil May Cry 4 to display their game on the 360. The build they are using on the PS3 is about 4 months old meaning that the 360 version is a little bit ahead in terms of development. But really what does it matter the game's not out yet and there is still a long time to go before the game is released so I wouldn't be surprised if by the time both versions came out they were looking identical. I also read that the PS3 version has a superior control. Anyway the difference in terms of graphics is very small almost unnoticeable but like I said the game is not out yet we'll just have to wait and see.

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   Re: TheEndIsNigh (Unregistered) - 2007-08-26
 » Uh huh

"Capcom is using the latest build of Devil May Cry 4 to display their game on the 360. The build they are using on the PS3 is about 4 months old..."

Proof please! Where did you get this info from?
   by Ronald Ray (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » Mark Rein

Am I the only one that wishes Mark Rein would shut the ***** up already?


   Re: To Ronald Ray (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » Your comment about Mark Rein

" Am I the only one that wishes Mark Rein would shut the ***** up already?"
Probably. Also, you are probably a 360 fanboy who got angry because of this line: "The current problem UT3 is experiencing with the 360 has to do with the limitations of the console's DVD format."
   by Shatterdome - 2007-08-24
 » Once again...

People missinterpret the information presented.

What he is saying is that working on UT3, for only PS3 at this time, they are able to push the limitations of the ENGINE (the unreal engine) as they have already published GoW and are really optimizing previously existing code, and they know what works and what doesn't. With Gears on 360, it was the first game and lot's of stuff was trial and error no doubt....also lot's of months thinking about certain problems gives them time to come up with more efficient solutions...

No where in the article does he say one platform will be running better then any other.


   Re: Quixand - 2007-08-24
 » as i said to the other posters

lighten up...

and just say thank you to gears.

   Re: Muhaha (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » to all ppl out there:

lighten up...
and just say thx to Quixand's beardy mom!
She suxx like noone did before.
btw: We will see on what system the sharper textures are! (I bet on my PC!)

   Re: Quixand - 2007-08-24
 » hey kid

you don't have game. it's pretty obvious.

no sense wasting time on you.

   Re: rawr (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » skies

Quixand: 1
Muhaha: 0
   by Quixand u r a knob (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » ha ha ha ha

the red ringed 360 is woe, GO PS3


   Re: Quixand - 2007-08-24
 » thanks for all the attention guys

appreciate it.

and btw... GO PS3

   Re: I agree (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » red ring

No worries, wankers usually attract such attention, GO PS3

   Re: Quixand - 2007-08-24
 » that's why

you just got my attention, GO PS3

   Re: Jx1 - 2007-08-24
 » GO PS3!!!

hell yah

   Re: na2rul - 2007-08-24
 » PS3!

PS3 for life baby

   Re: Dopey (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » ummm

go ps3??
everyones is doin it.
   by Spectre (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » Why do some idiots go on about red light, but not mention PS3 DVD of Death ?

RED ring ? oh you mean the first 360s which had heat problems that MS have guaranteed for THREE YEARS from so its not a problem for them. the new 360s have no such problems just like the PS2 which is still in production but its first batch of machines had millions of dvd faults but like the first 360s thats all in the past so why do you still try and make out the new models still do it, if you say that then you must also belive that the PS2 dvd drive fault has also not been fixed and you dont get 3 year guarantee on it..


   Re: Spectre (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » Typo error in the subject I meant the PS2 not PS3

PS3 in title I meant the PS2

   Re: Azure (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » Ummm

What does this have to do with the PS3?? lol... Don't look for fault's where there aren't any...

   Re: david (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24
 » PS3 is proberly because PS2 is also made by Sony

I think you will find that he is saying that the first round of 360s like the first round of PS2s(made by Sony like the PS3 is) had problems that have been resolved so why bother mentioning it?.

Well I would say the biggest fault with the PS3 is the framerate drops it seems to have problems with.

Making the official harddrive only 80 gig is another problem as it looks like 120 is going to be the standard so are Sony going to drop a Third machine?

Devs will go the PC path and the bigger hard drives are going to be essential..