by Spectre (Unregistered) - 2007-08-23

» Yes...

YES....pwnt baby. UT3 it is. !!!!

Re: hjkhjk (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» Hard drives are more important than hddvd or bluray very soon

Firstly it is obvious that the devs are going to take the PC route now that the hard drives in consoles are getting so big most games will proberly be installed on the Harddrive with just 1 dvd doing the copy protection checks etc.

Kinda makes hddvd and blu ray disc capacity a lot less important now they are leaning more toward hard drive sizes and it looks like MS proberly saw this coming all along

Re: skippy (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» First thing is...

First thing is that the PC version will be a DVD-9 so in the end it doesnt really matter. I think it will require a hard drive for the 360.

Re: Folding Junkie! - 2007-08-24

» What did you say?

Do you realize what you are saying? There is no way that consoles will ever get to the point that the disc is ever used solely for copyright protection methods.

Now I realize that the real reason for this illogical and poorly thought argument is that you are just trying to justify your decision.

You are giving Microsoft far too much credit, though. They are getting blindsided right now by a $1 billion dollar warranty campaign and the fact that they not only did not see this coming but they dropped the ball by not adding HD-DVD in the box.

You are proberly wrong!

Re: Quixand - 2007-08-24

» hahaha

oh man!!! some people just have no clue at all!!!

good thing folding replied to ur post or else i wouldn't have read how stupid ur comment is!!! games on harddrives with disk for copyright protection and that MS saw this coming all along... well newsflash hotshot it is not MS with has a harddrive in all its console.

anyway folding has said it all anyway except that, sorry to disagree with you folding, but there is no reason for this illogical and poorly thought argument except either drugs or extremely poor genes.

you are proberly plucking pubes for a living.

Re: Manny151 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» @hjkhjk

You're an idiot. Had MS seen this coming they would've put harddrives in all their consoles and by not soing it now they will alienate all those console owners that bought the core unit and in time a lot of people who bought the premium console too seeing as how it only has a 20GB HDD and only about 14 of those 20GB are available to the user. So that means that people will have no choice but to buy the proprietary 120GB HDD from Microsft for a ridiculous price. I know all this because I won a 360 and a PS3. I like my 360 but I love my PS3. I already installeda 160GB HDD on my PS3 for the price of a 20GB proprietary 360 HDD. Next time think before you post. MS is screwing every single one of their costumers and they don't give a damn. Everything with the 360 is proprietary from the HDD to the memory cards and even the content you put in your console. The only thing you can put in there that's your own is your music and only if you own the CD can you rip it to the HDD as far as your MP3 goes or your photos or videos you'll have to stream them. Not the case with the PS3. But hey go ahead an keep worshiping MS and keep paying out the wassu for every single little thin. The other day I tried to change my Gamertag on live and it actually wanted to charge me to change my name on XBOX live ain't that a b1tch!!!! 800MS points I couldn't believe it.

Re: hahahahah (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» maybe he meant

MS DID see this coming. Thats why theyre charging $$$ for their high priced HDD!!!

Re: kd (Unregistered) - 2007-08-25

» lets see abt hard drives

some people here are saying that harddrive is future shure it is lets see currently ut3 will be abt 15 gb on ps3 but future games will be about more than 40 gb heavenly sword has 10gb of audio so we can expect full game about 30 gb ps3 has no problem for thats because of bluray if harddrive is future for ms fanboys then day is near for them to buy a full game in harddrive ms fanboy will go to shop and ask the shopkeeper i want a harddrive of unreal tournament 3 and they will bring new game harddisk and put in the aass of there xbox360 haha game looks good and after playing the game they will say ps3 is expensive and microsoft is cheap nevermind they have to take out money from there asss and put harddisk also in asss of shiitbox360

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Re: dk (Unregistered) - 2007-08-25

» ^^^kd, you must be no more than 10 years old

That has to be one of the dumbest posts in this thread so far.

by kij (Unregistered) - 2007-08-23

» well...

there you go, the makers of GoW (best 360 game) saying that UT3 will be better on ps3 and pc than 360, and a way better game...switch disk to contiue rant...

*open tray*

"NO!!! MY DISK IS SCRATCHED UP!!! DAM U MICROSOFT!!!"

Re: ghjghj (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» DIsk scratched ? Myth man, and unreal is boring

Your disc is scratched well you shouldnt turn any machine that has a spinning disc on its side while its on , you silly boy.

Hard drives are the way forward I agree that soon the DVD will just be the installer etc.

Since when has Unreal been a good game anyway , its rubbish online and most of the players I meet up with are take it all to serius nerds in fact it put me off playing it on my PC, and the one player game is nothing special and linear..

Re: Thinker (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» Consolation

"Since when has Unreal been a good game anyway"
This has been the statement of most 360 fanboys when:
1) What they thought to be a 360 exclusive turns out not to be one
2) Some (apparent) limitation of the 360 for playing that game is announced
3) 360 version of a game is rated to have (apparent) faults

That is why your " (put in name of any game which shows 360 in a bad light here) is not a good game anyway" statement sounds hollow.

Re: Spectre (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» ROFL

Thinker, you make me laugh. 2 points!

by cerberus414 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-23

» uh huh

If my memory serves me right, didn't Mark Rein himself refute the whole issue with the UT3 not fitting on the DVD rumor, because some sony fanboy WANTED to misinterpret. So don't give me this bull*****...

Re: Thinker (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» To cerberus414 (Unregistered)

Actually, this is what he said on the issue:

--start of quote--
The simple facts state that the optical disc on the PS3 holds more data than the optical disc on the 360. If we exceed size of the 360s optical disc then we'll have to find alternative ways to get the content to 360 users such as making it downloadable. Adding a second DVD to a game like UT3 would be a challenge because when playing online you might not know exactly what map you're going to be playing next and we have to be able to accommodate users of the core system. So does that mean the disc on the 360 might have a map or two less? Possibly although it is too early to tell for sure.
--end of quote--

And no, it's not just Sony fanboys who are eager to misinterprete, 360 fanboys are just as eager to believe what they like.

As you can see from Mark Rein's quote, he acknowledges that if they want to provide all content available on the PS3's blu-ray to the 360 gamers, they will have to find some workaround. This workaround may take the following forms:
1) Provide multiple DVDs for the game. However, if they do so, it might be difficult while playing online as the next map may not be on the same disc.
2) Enforce hard disk. If they do so, Core owners may be compromised.
3) Provide less content.

So no, there was no misinterpretation, although the whole thing was probably blown up out of proportion.

by Quixand - 2007-08-23

» lighten up guys

all i can say is thank you Gears!!! i'll be playing a great UT3 and you helped pave the way.

as for the dvd on the 360... it really is holding it back but you have to take the bad with the good... they got the 360 into retail stores first cause they used dvd unlike sony with bluray in its ps3 and it allowed them to take a significant headstart (which is giving the console more games that were previously exclusive to the competition and makes it lead console as well in multiplat game development) but the dvd is now hindering the future development of games on the console and the core model isn't helping the cause... and it's still very early in the generation with more resource demanding games bound to be developed from this point onwards.

the ps3 does have blu ray and better hardware but it is playing catch up... i'm just happy as a PS3 owner that the games i'll be getting are getting better and better and won't be reaching the stand-still mark for years to come.

Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» ...

360 is not hindering any developments. PS3 is the only console hindering developments at the moment, hence the numerous delays of cross platform and first party titles. Back to BioShock.

PS: Who thinks UT3 will generate 4 million sales before Christmas?

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Re: Quixand - 2007-08-24

» u mistanderstood me devise

i didn't say anything regarding the development progress of any game... what i said was that the dvd is hindering the XBox360 when it comes to future development of games and that the core isn't helping the cause.... and that it's still very early in the generation with more resource demanding games bound to be developed from this point on.

sorry i just basically copied my post above.

as for the UT3 reaching 4 million before XMas... it is unlikely... with all the adventure/action games coming out at the same time (assassins, rachet, heavenly, drake etc) and with the Playstation community leaning more on those genre (like japanese consumers for example) it is very hard for a FPS to really breakaway especially since it also has other FPS games to compete with like COD4 and Haze.

Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» ...

Just like PS2 was hindered by a slower processor and smaller memory than the Xbox 1. BioShock is a 20-30 hour FPS with amazing detail and huge open environments. It runs just fine on a core 360. I think we have seen enough of both platforms to recognize with a 10 to 30 million budget you can deliver a great next gen experience on either platform. And I'll be surprised if we see anything developed this generation that wasn't possible on either platform.

And no UT3 wont sell 4 million copies by Christmas, it will be lucky to get to a million. Gears was a system seller for the 360. It was what really made people stand up and notice the power of next gen gaming. Gears of War hurt Sony bad, any "benefit" they might receive from it is nothing compared to the strength of the franchise they help MS create. UT3 isn't going to do that for Sony. And considering that the 360 is getting this title at a later date anyway, it sure isn't going to help Sony sell many more systems.

Re: Quixand - 2007-08-24

» it is good then

that i didn't mention anything about UT3 benefitting Sony by selling consoles... simply benefit the Sony gamers by gears making the UT3 a better game.

and i haven't really heard anyone say before that UT3 will be a console seller for Sony even from a PS3 fan... all i keep hearing is that it will be a better shooter than Halo3... but never heard it mentioned as a console seller, i don't think that expectation was ever trust upon UT3... i think it was MGS4, FFXIII, and GT5 that PS3 fans, industry analysts, and gaming sites were pushing as console sellers... not UT3. The UT3 for PS3 in 2007 was just a surprise announcement made last E3 and even then it was even overshadowed by KZ2 and MGS4.

Re: Thabor (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» Open environment?

Sorry, try again.. Bioshock is a sweet game, but it is exactly the opposite of a open environment. Please come back when you know the difference between expansive outdoor environments, and being locked in a building underwater..

Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» ...

Open plan, open world environment sound better to you? Geez, lol. I just meant that you aren't forced through maps with it closing behind you have to move forward through the environment.

Just finished it by the way, damn that was good.

Quixland my system seller comment was just keeping to the theme of the topic. I wasn't accusing you of saying of thinking that.

And MGS4 wasn't at E3, and COD4 got more acclaim then KZ2 but I get your last point.

Re: Manny151 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» Finally someone with some sense

It takes a PS3 owner to put people in their place. jk But seriously, the DVD drive is gonna make it hard for MS to keep up especially with the core models not having a hard drive at all. Also the 20GB hard drive is going to seem realy small really soon. I don't know what MS is using up the space with but you only have access to about 13.5GB of the 20gb it comes with. So even if you only install part of the game to the HDD 14GB just aint gonna cut it. You're going to be forced to uninstall the game once you've finished it to make room for the next. Either that or buy a ridiculously priced proprietary hard drive from MS, the future is looking bleak for the 360. I mean it's only on it's second year and its already calling short. The 360 version won't be inferior do to disc space but it will be short a couple of maps and more than likely they will have to be downloaded. And they're only on their second year, what's gonna happen 2 years from now, put out another console? They rushed it and they didn't think ahead and it's gonna cost them.

Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» ...

It was reported that the 360 version of DMC4 is looking better than the PS3 version. Don't think the 360 is having any problems with DVD9 or core 360's. That's a game developed natively for the PS3 and ported to the 360 within the last few months.

Re: Physician (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» ^^

yeah sure whatever you say buddy keep believing that.Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-08-25

» ....

Gamespy: 360 version of Devil May Cry 4 has better visuals than PS3
http://digg.com/xbox_360/Gamespy_360_version_of_Devil_May_Cry_4_has_better_visuals_than_PS3

Re: . (Unregistered) - 2007-08-25

» .

Oh Devise didn't you hear Capcom is using the latest build of Devil May Cry 4 to display their game on the 360. The build they are using on the PS3 is about 4 months old meaning that the 360 version is a little bit ahead in terms of development. But really what does it matter the game's not out yet and there is still a long time to go before the game is released so I wouldn't be surprised if by the time both versions came out they were looking identical. I also read that the PS3 version has a superior control. Anyway the difference in terms of graphics is very small almost unnoticeable but like I said the game is not out yet we'll just have to wait and see.

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Re: TheEndIsNigh (Unregistered) - 2007-08-26

» Uh huh

"Capcom is using the latest build of Devil May Cry 4 to display their game on the 360. The build they are using on the PS3 is about 4 months old..."

Proof please! Where did you get this info from?

by Ronald Ray (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» Mark Rein

Am I the only one that wishes Mark Rein would shut the ***** up already?

Re: To Ronald Ray (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» Your comment about Mark Rein

" Am I the only one that wishes Mark Rein would shut the ***** up already?"
Probably. Also, you are probably a 360 fanboy who got angry because of this line: "The current problem UT3 is experiencing with the 360 has to do with the limitations of the console's DVD format."

by Shatterdome - 2007-08-24

» Once again...

People missinterpret the information presented.

What he is saying is that working on UT3, for only PS3 at this time, they are able to push the limitations of the ENGINE (the unreal engine) as they have already published GoW and are really optimizing previously existing code, and they know what works and what doesn't. With Gears on 360, it was the first game and lot's of stuff was trial and error no doubt....also lot's of months thinking about certain problems gives them time to come up with more efficient solutions...

No where in the article does he say one platform will be running better then any other.

Re: Quixand - 2007-08-24

» as i said to the other posters

lighten up...

and just say thank you to gears.

Re: Muhaha (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» to all ppl out there:

lighten up...
and just say thx to Quixand's beardy mom!
She suxx like noone did before.
btw: We will see on what system the sharper textures are! (I bet on my PC!)

Re: Quixand - 2007-08-24

» hey kid

you don't have game. it's pretty obvious.

no sense wasting time on you.

Re: rawr (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» skies

Quixand: 1
Muhaha: 0

by Quixand u r a knob (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» ha ha ha ha

the red ringed 360 is woe, GO PS3

Re: Quixand - 2007-08-24

» thanks for all the attention guys

appreciate it.

and btw... GO PS3

Re: I agree (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» red ring

No worries, wankers usually attract such attention, GO PS3

Re: Quixand - 2007-08-24

» that's why

you just got my attention, GO PS3

Re: Jx1 - 2007-08-24

» GO PS3!!!

hell yah

Re: na2rul - 2007-08-24

» PS3!

PS3 for life baby

Re: Dopey (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» ummm

go ps3??
everyones is doin it.

by Spectre (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» Why do some idiots go on about red light, but not mention PS3 DVD of Death ?

RED ring ? oh you mean the first 360s which had heat problems that MS have guaranteed for THREE YEARS from so its not a problem for them. the new 360s have no such problems just like the PS2 which is still in production but its first batch of machines had millions of dvd faults but like the first 360s thats all in the past so why do you still try and make out the new models still do it, if you say that then you must also belive that the PS2 dvd drive fault has also not been fixed and you dont get 3 year guarantee on it..

Re: Spectre (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» Typo error in the subject I meant the PS2 not PS3

PS3 in title I meant the PS2

Re: Azure (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» Ummm

What does this have to do with the PS3?? lol... Don't look for fault's where there aren't any...

Re: david (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» PS3 is proberly because PS2 is also made by Sony

I think you will find that he is saying that the first round of 360s like the first round of PS2s(made by Sony like the PS3 is) had problems that have been resolved so why bother mentioning it?.

Well I would say the biggest fault with the PS3 is the framerate drops it seems to have problems with.

Making the official harddrive only 80 gig is another problem as it looks like 120 is going to be the standard so are Sony going to drop a Third machine?

Devs will go the PC path and the bigger hard drives are going to be essential..

Re: gtauk - 2007-08-24

» but

how come the new rounds of 360's still have problems

Re: rd261 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» well...

The PS2 was widely criticized, wasn't it? Well, now Microsoft its being criticized. If they don't want to be criticized, then they should start paying attention to what they are doing and stop making crappy products

Re: ... (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» To david

If a larger HDD is required for whatever reason on the PS3, you can buy an 2.5" drive. The PS3 will support it. So there is really no reason to have different SKU's with larger HDD(despite that fact that they did with an 80gig one). This is completely different compared to the Xbox were you have to buy their overpriced drives, which is totally for greed.

Re: Folding Junkie! - 2007-08-24

» @ David

The same tired dropped framerate argument. How many times do I have to see that argument used?

There is not a single exclusive game that will ever give you a hiccup. Most of the ports will not give you a hiccup. Only those games that were ported by a poorly skilled studio or those in a hurry to make a few dollars/yen/euros have any issues or framerate limitations.

120 GB is going to be the standard? According to whom? I suppose that the Elite proves that one to be true doesn't it?

Sorry but you are proberly wrong again!

Re: Spectre (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» ROFL

A) I feel sad for Mr. DVD-of-Death who is going under my name to spoof. HAHAHAHAHA

B) There is no such thing as the DVD of Death, because if there were, everyone would be dead. You're referring to the RDE, READ DISC ERROR.

C) You're just mad because Sony was able to sell more systems due to people who jumped at the chance to get faulty PS2s. Even after the lawsuit, the PS2 still sold millions, which I don't see the XBlowx711 doing anytime soon.

D) Where can you rent the PS3 DVD of Death? I'd like to shove it in an XBlowx711 and see what it can do. ROFL

by to gtauk (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» to gtauk

Because they were born with problems. You'd have to fix the issues first before they can be... fixed. Its like someone being born with an extra toe. You can aknowledge the toe but that aint going to make it go away. You gotta get the thing remedied before its RESOLVED!

by AoxomamoxoA - 2007-08-24

» Duh!

Of course it will benefit from Gears, theyve already had experience making a game (a great one at that) with the engine. Its not like theyre gonna back track and make something worse with the same tools. Its like saying Mario 2 benefited from Mario 1, of course it did. Im gonna bet that the extra time they put into UT because of the timed exclusiveness of the ps3 version, along with the familiarity of the 360 when working with Gears, the 360 version will be slightly better.

Re: blahblah (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» h

well a few extra months of development on a console will do that

Re: Manny151 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» That's bull ****

Dealing with the Unreal Engine on the 360 and dealing with it on the PS3 is completely different. Programming for each console is very different. I'm sure that they saw that pretty soon into development but even though they are still ahead of where they were at this point and time with Gears on the 360. What he originally said was what he meant to say but since the Xbot community started whining about it he tried to fix it up a little so that it didn't seem like he was playing favorites. The truth of the matter is that for UT3 they are dealing with completely different hardware than they did with Gears on the 360 and the code is completely different. Even so the advantage of Blu-Ray and the power of the PS3 has allowed them go beyond what they originally achieved on th 360. You don't have to like it but at least accept it. I'm also getting sick an tired of the same dumb_asses talking crap about the PS3 and these supposed frame rate drops, where the hell are you people getting this from. I even read a post from some idiot saying that RFOM had framerate issues. wtf All these people saying this thins I'm willing to bet have never picked up a PS3 controller. I have both systems and plan on getting a Wii but the truth is I prefer my PS3 it has a lot more to offer and it's prepared for the future unlike the 360.

Also, it wasn't just the first batch of 360s that had problems with them it has been all of them including the Elite. The Falcon ship doesn't hit the market until November and that's when hopefully MS will see the last of their hardware problem. That is other than their wireless adapters and racing wheels.

Re: Spectre (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» ROFL

Umm, sure believe what you want AxSSMILKx. The PS3 version will look better and have better features even if it's on an "inferior" network. Also, the XBlowx711 version was delayed along with the PC version because of development hinders. Even with more experience on the XBlowx711, UT3 on the XBlowx711 will be subpar. ROFL

Re: 5678-Jump (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» Oh please Manny151 lol!

You're such a classic PS3 fanboy, even to the extent of deliberately not understanding what Mark Rein is saying about the PS3 benefitting from Gears but choosing instead to believe what YOU want to believe.

Mark has made it perfectly clear, so who are you to tell him he's wrong? lol! Also, this IS what Mark said before! Some gamers were intelligent enough to understand this is what Mark was saying, but obviously fanboys like yourself were incapable of working it out for yourselves at the time.

Great example of denial Manny, got any more examples? ;)

by mightmare (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» 360 is already maxed out

1.dvd's can't hold much for next generation titles...
2.bluray is the only way...
3.Technically,PS3 has twice the power 360 has...
4.Current PS3 games suck compared with the xbox 360 versions because game developers aren't using all spe's yet...
5.UT3 will be using all 7 spe's
6.In about 2 years from now all PS3 games will be using all of the ps3's power...
7.What wii ?
8.You cannot stop the coming onslaught...
9.360 fanboys, you know that ps3 is waaaaay better but you argue because it's expensive...

Re: To mightmare (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» agreed to almost all except for one

"360 fanboys, you know that ps3 is waaaaay better but you argue because it's expensive.."
Nope, they argue because they already bought one, and FUD regarding their decisions is causing them to lash out.

Re: To mightmare (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» ....

I meant they already made their purchase (a 360), and are experiencing FUD regarding their purchase.

Re: GamerFeed (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» 360 is as maxed out as the PS3, i.e. not!

1. DVD is perfectly fine for next gen, including muliple disks. One of the best games so far this gen is the DVD game Bioshock, and yet the 'massive' Lair on Blu-ray is only getting average reviews.

2. Blu-ray is ONE way

3. Technically, the PS3 and 360 are about the same, with the PS3 having the edge in some ways and the 360 in other ways. Overall, the PS3 may have a slight edge over the 360, but it's insignificant.

Developers have already confirmed this numerous times, it's only ignorant fanboys who cling on desperately to the idea that the PS3 is twice as powerful as the 360.

4. Current PS3 games suffer from the console being more difficult to program and having a higher learning curve. It's more difficult and has less ram for games, so the 360 tends to have the edge for multi-format games. But even then, except for a few games, the majority of PS£ games do NOT suck compared to the 360 versions.

5. Only 6 SPEs are available to PS3 games. One is unavailable to improve Cell yeields, and another is reserved for the Operationg System, leaving 6 SPEs for games.

6. Games on both consoles will be tapping into more power compared to today, but they will never be using ALL of the console's power.

Hence your comment about the 360 being maxed out is pure ignorance and shows you have very little understanding of technology.

7. Wii will be strong throughout this gen (it doesn't appeal to me BTW).

8. No onslaught, just great games on 360 and PS3.

9. PS3 fanboys like you should work on getting their facts right.

Re: Shatterdome - 2007-08-24

» Come back...

and spew this BS when every multiplatform game doesn't look and run better on 360....

Re: 4 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» .

The only people who bring up the Lair review are insecure little fanboys

Re: GamerFeed (Unregistered) - 2007-08-25

» ^^^Says an insecure fanboy

"The only people who bring up the Lair review are insecure little fanboys"

Really? So we're not suppose to talk about Lair's reviews are we? Why? Grow up and stop acting like a child.

The point I was making is that the SIZE of a game on a disk does not determine the QUALITY of the game. Hence the arguement that DVD is not enough for next gen is rubbish.

Lair is MUCH bigger than Bioshock in terms of GBs, and yet it's not as good, and there are many smaller PS3 games which are and will be much better than Lair. So it's not the space. it's what developers DO with that space.

Re: 4 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-25

» .

oh so let me get this straight a completely biased to the Xbox360 magazine gave Lair a bad review so it automatically means that Lair sucks. Gee what a surprise I sure wasn't expecting that.(sarcasm) The thing is if Lair was multi or Exclusive to the 360 it would have received a higher score and that's the truth. Have you read that review? They don't even talk about the game they just bash the PS3 for being too expensive they hardly talk about the game. Also Bioshock is out and Lair hasn't even been released yet. So it's a little bit too early to know if a game sucks or not. So that Lair review is basically ammo for fanboys such as yourself. I could bring up the 33% failure rate of the 360 and bash the 360 for that but I won't because I don't want to look like a fanboy. If you notice I have not bashed the 360 or Bioshock. I think they're both great. I'm still looking forward to Lair because I don't care what some magazine I never heard of till a couple of weeks ago says about the game. I believe in playing the game first and then saying if it sucks or not.

Re: GamerFeed (Unregistered) - 2007-08-26

» Open your eyes please!

"oh so let me get this straight a completely biased to the Xbox360 magazine gave Lair a bad review so it automatically means that Lair sucks."

Since when is EGM an XBox 360 magazine? In fact, why would an XBox magazine be reviewing Lair anyway. The fact that you say this shows you don't even know what you're talknig about, but I'll continue anyway...

EGM gave it 5.5 and Gamepro gave it 7.5 out of 10, both are multi-format magazines, not XBox magazines! And yes, if it was exclusive, it would receive a higher score, like the 9 out of 10 it received from Play Magazine, you know, a Playstation magazine. So your point is?

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/929230.asp

I don't believe the game is going to improve rapidly between now and it's release. We'll see.

Besides, my point wasn't specifically about Lair, that was only used as an example, the point I was making (to explain it YET AGAIN to the overly defensive), is that the quality of a game is NOT determined by it's size. So tell me, do you agree or disagree? Do you believe that the bigger the game is in terms of GBs, then the better it MUST be. Do you believe the quality of the games in your game collection can be determine by their size? If the answer is no, then you SHOULD be able to appreciate the point being made here.

Re: SE (Unregistered) - 2007-08-27

» Yep EGM is biased

Have you read the Lair review? They gave the game a very low score because they complained about very minor things and it just looked like they were just looking for an excuse to rate this game poorly. Here read this

http://gamers-creed.com/?p+324

Check out where it says the bad and then tell me if they are biased or not. oh and btw I'm picking up Lair on launch day.

Re: PS34ME (Unregistered) - 2007-08-27

» And Gamepro?

are they biased too? they only gave it an average score.

so the reviewer didn't like lair, that doesn't make the WHOLE magazine biased. seems everytime a gamer doesn't agree with ONE reviewer, then the whole magazine or website are suddenly bias. *rolleyes*

at worse, you can say he was nit-picking over a game he clearly didn't like. but which ever way you look at it, lair doesn't appear to be the AAA game many hoped it would be.

oh and, despite my post, you do know this thread is more or less dead now, don't you? :)

by Thunder (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» Some of the most famous excuses made by Xbots about DVD9

But but but DVD9 is enough. No game takes up more than 5 Gbs. I don't mind swapping discs. I would rather have 4 DVDs than a single Blu-Ray disc. Halo fits on one DVD so why should any other game take up more space than that. Compression is all that is needed this gen. I don't want Cg I want real time gameplay footage. Blu-Ray isn't needed all we need is DVD9. But Bill Gates said that Blu-Ray and 1080P were not needed and I believe him.

DVD9 sucks and you know it. Freaking Xbots are in denial. I guess that's what happens when you rush a console into the market.

Re: GamerFeed (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» Actually

Those who say DVD is not enough for next gen games or that DVD9 sucks are just as ignorant as those who say Blu-ray is not needed or that Blu-ray too slow.

Hence you're no different than the fanboys you talk about. :|

Re: Manny151 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» I couldn't agree with you more

I bet if the tables were turned they would bash the PS3 for having an outdated format like DVD9. They don't believe the crap they spew out about DVD9 being enough, but I guess anything is better than admitting the truth since they already made the purchase. They have to justify it somehow. I bought it too but I also bought the PS3 and plan on buying the Wii. That's just me though I've always bought all the console in the market and no I'm not rich or even close. What I am is a gamer and if you're smart and hardworking instead of getting everything from mom and dad then you can do the same. But out of the three my favorite is the PS3 hands down. So quit whining and get some money together and buy the PS3.

Re: 567 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» It's true

I can't tell you how many times I've read some of those sentences in forum posts.

Re: SE (Unregistered) - 2007-08-27

» Here is one you left out

9Gbs are better than 50 Gbs

by Xbox is the best (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» compression

the only reason the maps cannot fit is because epic did not use compression for the entire game mark rein said that they used some compression on some of the maps when they found out the maps may not fit anyway the id engine tech 5 can put 40 gigs of textures on one dvd9 last time I checked bluray dual layered is 50 gig that matches ps3 because ps3 cannot use compression cause the disk read speed is too slow that is why a lot of games use the harddrive. I said it many times before and I will say it again dvd9 is more than enough for games if and only if you use compression

Re: Spectre (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» ROFL NOOB

ROFL...so, because the PS3 has a slower read means it's incapable of reading compressed files? HAHAHAHAHAHAH THAT'S THE DUMMEST THING I'VE HEARD ALL DAY.

Lets take a look...

BD reads at 53.95 Mbit/s. HD DVDs read at 36.55 Mbit/s. ROFL

Compression is handles by the processor itself, not the disks read speed. ROFL. In a couple of years, compression methods will be perfected and you'll be so impressed by how much compressed data the PS3 will be able to unpack on a BD disc without much load time. FOMG

Re: huggy bear (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» read speed

you an idoit bd and hd-dvd both have the same read speeds which is 1x@36 Mbit/s + 2x@72 Mbit/s take a look on wiki. comprression on the ps3 is not impossible but slow on a ps3 because the read speed is not fast enough it dose not matter about the cpu speed but how fast the data can be read the faster the read speed the less time it takes but the ps3 is only 1x so it takes time that is why developers don't compress and leave it as raw data but because it is only X1
it is still slow you can load games to the ps3 hdd
this speeds load times cus the read speed is much higher then the drive blue ray

hd-dvd:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD

blue ray:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

Re: Yo (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» No

The Blu-Ray in the PS3 is 2x not 1x

by randy (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» lol

maybe they'll bundle a special edition 120gb hdd with ut3 for the 360

but its kinda gay how the 20gb hdd right now is still more than 100 bucks, stupid

it would be pretty sick if we had to clear up a bunch of crap for this game

fck with all these extras i might as well buy a pc and play crysis on it too

don't hold down progress because your hardware is limited asswipes

by Nawz (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» Erm.

Basically this guy is saying that the game that is coming out for PS3 And/Or for PC is helped because of the earlier work they did for GoW. I don't see why there is a big fuss over this...They used a game to make another future game better and by the looks of it, PS3 really does need...a Promising game like Heavenly Sword got an Average 7. It is high time people actually started noticing other consoles strong points and actually admitting that each console has its good and bad sides.

by mightmare (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» just wait

Just wait people, and we'll see what console is better!
But some things are obvious. Can you compare ds with psp? ok, but no. And i know that ps3 has 6 spe's available, but this is the good programming i meant! It's possible to use the seventh core being used for the kernel by unloading the firmware while the game starts and leave only an internal plugin in the game that loads the fw again while quitting. This would save ram, and increase performance. But developing such games is very costfull, and i think that only "special" games like UT3 and KZ2 will be using that kind of programming. And about bluray read rates...that's why the game allows you to install UT3 on ps3's hard drive, you idiots!!! but 360 core hasn't a hard drive... Ooooo now something's wrong...

Re: GamerFeed (Unregistered) - 2007-09-02

» Oh please

>"Just wait people, and we'll see what console is better!"

It's not a matter of one console being better than another, that kind of attitude is best left to kids, like yourself. Each console have their advantages and disadvantages, but unfortunately, gamers like you can't see that, you can only see the good in one and the bad in the other, which makes you a typical fanboy.

As for your explaination of the use of 7 SPEs, just give it up. You claimed the game UT3 *WILL* be using all 7 SPEs, so quit trying to back track and just admit you were wrong (i.e. try and act like a man for a change). And your explaination of how it *may* be used is absolute nonsense, it really is. Come back when a dev discusses this, not when you've read it from some teenage 'armchair expert' on a games forum.

And why haven't you replied to the other points I challenged you on?

by MGSROCKS1 - 2007-08-24

» Why are Xbox360 fanboys so sensitive?

Can someone please give me their opinion of past UT games? I've never played any of the games and I'm hoping someone can tell me the + and -.

Re: durka durka (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» LMAO

Are you kidding me? You never played Unreal before? Theres no way to describe it in words it is super awesome.

Re: na2rul - 2007-08-25

» i downloaded demo 4 PC

(UT 2004)and it had cool weapons and was fast paced lik RFoM but with more variety such as Halo ie vehicles, and teleports as well(i think)

by Rize Runner (Unregistered) - 2007-08-24

» My Theory

this is my theory why UT3 will be late for 360, because they dont want to compete... epic are not dumb, they know what they are doing. 360 is the easiest console to develop for and they are releasing it late for the 360?one big reason i think is HALO3. they know halo3 will be huge for the 360 and they know who ever owns a 360 will be playing HALO3 this coming holiday season til' the ROD shows up on their console. i myself am a UT fan and might get it for PC but this coming holiday i will be playing HALO3 and be PWNING lots of noobz.... i dont care what alot of you guys say abot HALO3, but the fact is, it will be again GAME of the year for sure!!!

i dont undestand why the need for FANBOYZ for talk smack against other consoles, just be happy there are variety of games and consoles out there that cater to different people. if you want good online experience and huge library of games go with 360. if you want to watch BR movies and dont mind to wait 10 years for good games go with PS3. if your g@y and pee your pants when getting pwned online then play with your lil wii...

just my off the wall 2cents...

by Xbox is the best (Unregistered) - 2007-08-25

» I admit it you are right spectre

the only reason the maps cannot fit is because epic did not use compression for the entire game mark rein said that they used some compression on some of the maps when they found out the maps may not fit anyway the id engine tech 5 can put 40 gigs of textures on one dvd9 last time I checked bluray dual layered is 50 gig that matches ps3. I said it many times before and I will say it again dvd9 is more than enough for games if and only if you use compression....... this part of my response still holds true which means xbox 360 games are going to be just as good looking if not better than ps3 games

by Whatever (Unregistered) - 2007-09-03

» Am I mistaken?

I'm not trying to call anyone out on this, but i've noticed a rash of 360 owners coming onto this forum and *****ing at the ps3 owners. It's gone as far as even trying to defend their system like a fortress and play the name calling game with the natives to this site. Are you all that insecure that you have to stray away from your own qj forum just to see "whats up" in the ps3 community? I do believe that they are experiencing buyers remorse. I don't go to the 360 qj forums? I really don't even care about the 360. If it crashes and burns then so be it. Microsoft puts out family oriented products but their 360 is the little black sheep in the house and they think it rocks. If you think your system rocks then why don't you go have a sing along while you play Bioshock then go get some milk and cookies, and curl up under a blankie for nap because you got it so rough. Aww. Seriously, if you took the time to see that the ps3 was going to be a kick ass investment then you would have purchased one, and instead of insulting it like an ex-girlfriend you still aren't over yet, you'd be rejoicing with the rest of us because my system can do anything your system can do, better.

GCDC 2007: PS3's UT3 will benefit from Gears of War

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