Posted May 15, 2006 at 08:52PM by Pranav T Listed in: Interviews, News
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PenguinWell, this bit of news will surely excite all the PS3 fans. Kawanishi, Network system development manager at SCE, revealed at E3 in an interview that the PS3 will be supporting Linux! Although it has been known before, this interview just confirms the fact.

English Translation:
The PS3 will come standard with a functional Linux Operating System as well as compilers and other tools. This will give a vast playground to all the programmers on the PS3. This means that the PS3 will support all USB drives. Even back in the PlayStation generation, there were a lot of creations by homebrew developers. On the PS3, this will be much more.

If you think of the PS3 as an ecosystem, the game studios will still follow the current routine, to treat the PS3 as a game console, and develop games while paying the license fee. However, in which form can the individual developers participate best in the software development for the PS3?


"To request license fee from the individual developers is a little hard (laughing). When a game studio buys a license to develop for the PS3, SCE side must supply the studio with necessary tools and SDK libraries, as well as all kinds of technical support. Since the PS3 is using Linux, the license fee will not be required for developing on it."


Won't this be a challenge to all the programmers since they won't have any knowledge technical knowledge of the hardware?

"Based on Linux, it is the OS-side hardware layer which is managing the Cell processor related issues, which makes the SPE also opened to the developers. However, I don't think that the PS3 as a game platform business, and the PS3 in the Linux world, will be merged into one."


So, what does this mean for the average PS3 user who doesn't understand jack about Linux? Well, for starters, this is as good as an official announcement that Sony and PS3 will not block homebrew in any way, unlike the PSP. And the fact that homebrew developers will be welcomed with open arms and not boxing gloves, like on the PSP.


Seeing the PSP community, it's quite obvious that Sony would've learned a lot. A lot of homebrew on the PSP is stuff which Sony should have taken care of in the first place. And if they couldn't, they shouldn't have blocked it.


I'll skip the "Linux for Dummies" explanation. I assume all of our readers have at least heard of it sometime in their lives. And many of you must've tried it too. Linux on any platform is a dream. You can do so much with it. For programmers, this means that they won't have to code on the PC and transfer to the PS3. For the average user, Linux will open a world unimaginable before. Almost everything you can do on a PC, you will be able to do here. Media Centers (MythTV anyone?), Cool Desktop environments (KDE, Gnome), Browsers (Firefox, Mozilla, Opera), and lots more.


I just hope that they don't tie it down and cripple it. The PS2 Linux 'project' wasn't as successful because of the same reason.


No other details were revealed. So we still don't know if they will be using a popular distro or make one of their own (possibly deriving from another distro?). Plus, we don't know if the PS3's actual OS will be Linux itself, or whether it will be a dualboot environment. I'd guess that it's the latter.


Using Linux as the PS3's OS would mean a lot of headaches for them, as well as the GNU/GPL guys. Plus, using Linux as the main OS would mean possibly crippling it, so that it doesn't run code which they don't want. I'd rather not get into speculation mode, seeing how big companies have a knack of letting us down.


This bit of news finally brings something positive from the PS3 side on the table. Sony had been getting a lot of flak lately. Hopefully, this bit of news will help the PS3 redeem itself.


Click here to read the original interview (In Japanese)


I'd like to thank our resident blogger and translator, Jeff Chen, for translating the relevant part. I owe you one man :)




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   by . (Unregistered) - 2006-05-15
 » .

yay homebrew now we can ahve all types of ***** like gba emus n63 emus probably and all sorts of ***** thanks sony now there using there heads

   by yayayayaya (Unregistered) - 2006-05-15
 » yeaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ps3 pwntz you all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

   by noone (Unregistered) - 2006-05-15
 » rubber tree plant

I'll have to wait and see..

As I've had my heart broken by that deadly sony mistress before, promising all sorts of fantasy treats.

(Refund for PSP please..)

   by cell (Unregistered) - 2006-05-15
 » yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh

yeahhhhhhhh
ps3 won the next gen

   by anthony.gamer (Unregistered) - 2006-05-15
 » Better and better

I have said this before and I'll say it again:

The PS3 just keeps getting better and better!

   by ToN (Unregistered) - 2006-05-15
 » linux?

i vaugely remember them saying this about the ps2...right? im not sure how u get linux to run on the ps2 (special hardware?) but don't u think that maybe it would be the same on the ps3 as they handled it for ps2?

   by Jesus (Unregistered) - 2006-05-15
 » I pwn you with my Jesus juice

@ToN the problem Linux for the PS2 didn't do so well was because it was an addon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps2_linux

   by coolz (Unregistered) - 2006-05-15
 » atleast we won't have to wait for mod'd ps3

this will make modding the ps3 much easier and requiire no mod chips. huzzah.

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   by The Unbiased One - 2006-05-15
 » Alas

Is this some good news coming from Sony? It has been awhile, but now I am much more relieved. As for emulators...Sony still feels strongly against piracy so expect updates to limit things like this (similar to the PSP).

   by er (Unregistered) - 2006-05-15
 » wtf

he said in a proper interview it will be limited homebrew wise.

   by ToN (Unregistered) - 2006-05-15
 » ok

thanks umm jesus..

   by CeCiL (Unregistered) - 2006-05-15
 » HAHA!!

This is fantastic news!!!!

   by iNCREDiPiNOY - 2006-05-15
 » Thanks Sony!!!

HD-PS3!!! Homebrew-Definition PS3!!!

   by iNCREDiPiNOY - 2006-05-15
 » PSP + PS3 = ?

HOMEBREW!!!

   by Ragarnok - 2006-05-15
 » .

Finaly sony doing somethingon their own that may lead the other two to copy them, altho it's still a 'wait and see' for me

   by Corleone (Unregistered) - 2006-05-15
 » .

Portable homebrew/emulation is better (why not just use a PC at home?), but still good news. GP2X > PSP

   by ThatDude (Unregistered) - 2006-05-15
 » Ps3 Won!!!

Homebrew baby! The Ps3 just won the console war!!
*Starts saving his hard earned cash right now*

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   by Jimbo (Unregistered) - 2006-05-16
 » Just a though

Maybe when the PS3 comes out a new firmware will be released and linux could be used on the PSP as well....Would it be lovely?

   by bboy (Unregistered) - 2006-05-16
 » hack

lol ppl will be running ps3 games of the hd with in week of it hitting the shops fools.its really a good think but Linux is going to be use to hack the ps3 bios and the flash in the blue ray :)

   by wontyme18 (Unregistered) - 2006-05-16
 » really

would this mean that homebrewers of the PSP can port their stuff to the PS3? and I wouldn't be getting to happy because the latest PS3 menu screenshots and videos show the is a network update option. Sony is going to have some great updates if they dont want people running homebrew.

   by GHenrik (Unregistered) - 2006-05-16
 » Hmm. Wii wont be happy.

One of Wii main power is full support for all games to nintendo. Of course at a cost over the web i guess. But with ps3 homebrew we can now use all sorts of emulators. Free.

Btw. This would be a good chance for linux to take over the world and stab windows a couple of times in the chest.

PS3 goes havoc.

   by Arwin (Unregistered) - 2006-05-16
 » Homebrew

Of course I hope this turns out great, but I'll first have to see how they do it. What I imagine is that they will run Linux as an option, where you'll also be able to do your proper web-browsing and such. There are two big advantages - one, you can classify the PS3 as a proper PC, which gives a tax benefit in Europe, and two you have ensured yourself of an up-to-date, fully functional webbrowser. After all, if your PS3 and TV support a 1080p TV, then webbrowsing on the PS3 and your TV is going to be a pretty darn awesome experience. Added benefit is that content providers don't have to do a whole lot of extra stuff - napster like services, www.hollywood.com, all those sites will be available without needing additional development.

But how this pans out exactly we'll still have to wait and see. The network update feature could do two things - it could help add core functions to the firmware, and it could help download dashboard software to the harddrive. The firmware could contain the full dashboard, or it could contain just the main OS functionality, with the dashboard installed on the HDD. Either could be updated through the network update functions.

Likely, proper games will be able to run without Linux loaded and only the basic firmware in place. Also you have to remember that if this is the way it is going to be, ps3 doesn't block homebrew, but welcoming them with open arms is an overstatement. After all, they said that the homebrew devs will not get the full SDKs (software development kits), and will have to figure everything out themselves. That's a lot of work - some stuff on the PSP has still not been figured out. Fortunately the Cell won't be too big a problem, and I figure that uncovering the RSX will be easier thanks to it being developed by Nvidia, for which I'm sure a decent bit of groundwork will have been done already in the current Linux community.

But we'll still have to wait and see. I hope they do it, like I hope they'll allow keyboard and mouse in FPS games on the PS3 (will be interesting to see how a newly configured new PS3 controller with motion sensing can hold up against that, I have a good feeling about it if the controller is indeed as precise as it seems to be). Probably a good idea for game devs is to allow game hosters to limit games to certain control types if so desired, though a usb mouse and keyboard are ridiculously cheap anyway, so if it is still better, than all fanatical fps gamers will probably get one anyway.

   by Bob (Unregistered) - 2006-05-16
 » just the kernel?......

are we just getting the kernel for the cell... or can we add our own programs, like kde or gnome. and will we have to download and build our packages individually, or will sony host prebuilt and pre-optimized packages, for a quick install?
if sony allowed X11 and a Desktop environment to be installed, and maybe even stablised Xgl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xgl) they could make a first true rival to microsofts windows and even Apple Macs.

   by FreakShow! - 2006-05-16
 » Awesome!

If they are opening up PS3 to homebrew, will this mean they will allow PSP to run homebrew soon aswell?

Or maybe the PS3 will do the digital signature for your coding and so give PSP programmers a way to get PSP homebrew working properly allowing us PSP homebrewers to upgrade and play homebrew? Please?

Linux as an OS will be good. Think XP, then make it faster and you are there. It can be a bit difficult to get used to, but give it a couple of days and you will be laughing at your PC!

The one thing I want to know is: Will it be dualboot or like a menu that takes you to the Linux desktop, because we already saw the PS3 environment revealed at E3!

I think they will make a distribution, derived from one of the others, like Ubuntu or Slackware.

Any game made by Id (e.g. Quake IV) and the recent UT games can be installed on Linux. Linux doesn't take up many resources compared to XP so you will get better graphics on a Linux install. FOr this reason, the power of the PS3 coupled with an efficient OS means that this is going to be one sweet bit of kit.

PS3 all the wayt! :D:D:D:D

Scuse the long post

   by . (Unregistered) - 2006-05-16
 » .

wait i have a question people please answer.. i didnt know linux could run commercial agmes from stores such as quake 4 and stuff so would it be able to run counter strike source??

   by Bob (Unregistered) - 2006-05-16
 » Wine

Wine can play windows games too.
http://winehq.com/

   by illegal (Unregistered) - 2006-05-16
 » lots of homebrew is illegal

lots of homebrew is illegal so it wont all be fully supported with open arms

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   by ok (Unregistered) - 2006-05-16
 » yea

you know, the PSP has had homebrew from the beganing and it aint winning the handheld war. this is good news for me because im pretty sure there should be a way in the future to get some MAJOR homebrew like a ps2 emu that plays burned games and mabe even xbox emu?

   by soundinsekt (Unregistered) - 2006-05-16
 » yeah#@!

i think it will be the #1 reason why i'll buy a ps3

   by FreakShow! - 2006-05-16
 » #25 and 26 and #28

Only some games can. Most games use DirectX to work and this is a M$ technology. However those that use OpenGL coding (all that use the Id engine such as Quake IV and UT games) can be installed and run under Linux. For UT check your last disc (if it's the CD) or look on the DVD for the file you need. Id games, you buy it in store, then download the file of their website. Google around if you can't find it.

#28 They won't have an Xbox Emu on it as they would have to license the software to use the technology. Homebrew can be illegal as #27 says, however there is plenty of stuff that is legal.

It will be good though :D



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