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It is not a luxury to have Blu-ray, but rather a necessity, as compression only gets you so far. [...] Also having the CELL and SPUs means we can offload all of our physics processing to an SPU, or process AI using the SPU's. All this processing power just means we can add more detail and create that Hollywood-type realism we're after. |
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by Mister Common Sense - 2007-10-16 |
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» lol
This just in:
Microsoft says HD-DVD storage needed for Halo 3. Oh wait, it wasn't. Still a badass top selling game.
When will it stop? Not possible without blu ray storage. Pushing cell processor to the limit. Blah blah. Means nothing. Prove it.
This just in:
Microsoft says HD-DVD storage needed for Halo 3. Oh wait, it wasn't. Still a badass top selling game.
When will it stop? Not possible without blu ray storage. Pushing cell processor to the limit. Blah blah. Means nothing. Prove it.
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Re: zeromatrix75 - 2007-10-16 |
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» ...
This just in:
Nobody gives a $hit what you just said.
This just in:
Nobody gives a $hit what you just said.
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Re: Constantinecy - 2007-10-16 |
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» lol
Another pathetic effort from the one and the only MCS to hide his frustration and jealousy of his 360 limitations both in processing and storage capasities...
Another pathetic effort from the one and the only MCS to hide his frustration and jealousy of his 360 limitations both in processing and storage capasities...
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Re: Quixand - 2007-10-16 |
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» that's what they are doing
they're proving it.
but nothing they say will make stupid xbots believe... they will always come up with excuses on how it can be done on their sorry console when infact in reality there really isn't a chance and that is what they are saying and proving but ya'll are just to stupid.
they are making the fuc*king game!!! the game is real and not just a concept... people can dissect the game whatever way they want to cause it's there... what kind of proof would you like? for them to try and put it in a dvd and announce to the world "ok, it doesn't fit" and for what purpose? for the xbot idiots peace of mind?
now you say it can fit on a dvd.. well, prove it.
they're proving it.
but nothing they say will make stupid xbots believe... they will always come up with excuses on how it can be done on their sorry console when infact in reality there really isn't a chance and that is what they are saying and proving but ya'll are just to stupid.
they are making the fuc*king game!!! the game is real and not just a concept... people can dissect the game whatever way they want to cause it's there... what kind of proof would you like? for them to try and put it in a dvd and announce to the world "ok, it doesn't fit" and for what purpose? for the xbot idiots peace of mind?
now you say it can fit on a dvd.. well, prove it.
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Re: rawrskies - 2007-10-16 |
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» Actually
It can fit in a dvd, if they have all the sounds in 64kbps and just have the xbox logo as the only texture on everything.
It can fit in a dvd, if they have all the sounds in 64kbps and just have the xbox logo as the only texture on everything.
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Re: jrm125 - 2007-10-17 |
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» Two sides
On the one hand Halo is a fun, high selling game. DVD was only required.
On the other hand, if you want to actually push the envelope (and by that I mean resolutions that could actually be considered HD) then you're gonna need a little more space.
Halo's fun, but if Halo hadn't been branded as Halo, it wouldn't have sold as well. When people purchase Halo they're actually purchasing the ability to play with a million other people.
On the one hand Halo is a fun, high selling game. DVD was only required.
On the other hand, if you want to actually push the envelope (and by that I mean resolutions that could actually be considered HD) then you're gonna need a little more space.
Halo's fun, but if Halo hadn't been branded as Halo, it wouldn't have sold as well. When people purchase Halo they're actually purchasing the ability to play with a million other people.
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Re: Unregistered Gamer - 2007-10-17 |
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» Er hem
"On the other hand, if you want to actually push the envelope (and by that I mean resolutions that could actually be considered HD) then you're gonna need a little more space."
Halo's resoultion has nothing to do with DVD. It's a technical issue, a compromise with the ram available to improve the graphics in other areas at the expense of some resolution.
And Halo 3 is not the first to do this, there are a number of games on both the 360 and PS3 running at resolutions below 720p.
"On the other hand, if you want to actually push the envelope (and by that I mean resolutions that could actually be considered HD) then you're gonna need a little more space."
Halo's resoultion has nothing to do with DVD. It's a technical issue, a compromise with the ram available to improve the graphics in other areas at the expense of some resolution.
And Halo 3 is not the first to do this, there are a number of games on both the 360 and PS3 running at resolutions below 720p.
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Re: jrm125 - 2007-10-17 |
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» My point
Was I'm pretty sure polys and texture size have to do with data space.
Plus I think we're all aware the Xbox is capable of better graphics without such compromises (Gears of War ring a bell?) This was lazy work on Bungie's part...though I'm pretty sure if developers have more space to work with, they'll use it.
Was I'm pretty sure polys and texture size have to do with data space.
Plus I think we're all aware the Xbox is capable of better graphics without such compromises (Gears of War ring a bell?) This was lazy work on Bungie's part...though I'm pretty sure if developers have more space to work with, they'll use it.
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Re: Thinker - 2007-10-17 |
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» My thoughts
@ MCS: I agree with Quixand. How would you say it is proved? If a PS3 game takes up more than 9 GB, 360 fanboys will say it could have been compressed BETTER and could have fit on a DVD. If a game is multiplatform and still needs Blu-ray, they will say they can get it on multiple DVDs (even though it might be a free-roaming game like Assassin's Creed). So I don't think even if God came and told them that BR was needed for a certain game, they would believe it. And one more thing, they are not disbelieving something because it does not make sense, they don't believe it because they don't want to (it hurts their ego to do so).
@ jrm25: I agree with your point. I just got Halo 3 Ltd Edition, and it does look like a lot of fun, however, I don't think it would have gotten the stellar reviews that it did or that it would have sold as well if the game hadn't been branded as Halo. Personally, I've been playing BioShock the last few days, and that actually looks like more fun. However, I haven't finished H3 yet, so I might turn out to be wrong, but I don't think so.
@ MCS: I agree with Quixand. How would you say it is proved? If a PS3 game takes up more than 9 GB, 360 fanboys will say it could have been compressed BETTER and could have fit on a DVD. If a game is multiplatform and still needs Blu-ray, they will say they can get it on multiple DVDs (even though it might be a free-roaming game like Assassin's Creed). So I don't think even if God came and told them that BR was needed for a certain game, they would believe it. And one more thing, they are not disbelieving something because it does not make sense, they don't believe it because they don't want to (it hurts their ego to do so).
@ jrm25: I agree with your point. I just got Halo 3 Ltd Edition, and it does look like a lot of fun, however, I don't think it would have gotten the stellar reviews that it did or that it would have sold as well if the game hadn't been branded as Halo. Personally, I've been playing BioShock the last few days, and that actually looks like more fun. However, I haven't finished H3 yet, so I might turn out to be wrong, but I don't think so.
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Re: Unregistered Gamer - 2007-10-17 |
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» It doesn't quite work that way
"Was I'm pretty sure polys and texture size have to do with data space."
The most important factors in this respect is having enough video ram and GPU power for the graphics. Having more storage space allows you to store more content overall, hence you can have more variety in the graphics or have more levels, but it wouldn't increase the quality of the graphics unless they were reduced due to lack of space in the first place.
Think of what happens on the PC. What has more effect on the graphics? Having a bigger HDD? The size of the game on the HDD when installed? Or having a more powerful graphics card with more video ram onboard?
Yep, it's the later, and the same is true for consoles. The more vram it has and the more powerful the GPU, the better the graphics can be.
"This was lazy work on Bungie's part...though I'm pretty sure if developers have more space to work with, they'll use it."
Halo 3 and Gears of War are two totally different types of games. Neither Epic nor Bungie could have everything we see in Halo 3 (no. of characters on screen, size of the environments, highly advanced AI and physics etc) and achieve this with the graphics seen in Gears of War.
Developers have to divide the power and memory available depending on what they wish to achieve in the game, and therefore to increase in one area means decreasing others.
Still, in the end, the quality of the gameplay is the most important thing (both single player and multi-player), and therefore my fingers are crossed for KZ2 to achieve the quality of gameplay and range of options seen in Halo 3.
"Was I'm pretty sure polys and texture size have to do with data space."
The most important factors in this respect is having enough video ram and GPU power for the graphics. Having more storage space allows you to store more content overall, hence you can have more variety in the graphics or have more levels, but it wouldn't increase the quality of the graphics unless they were reduced due to lack of space in the first place.
Think of what happens on the PC. What has more effect on the graphics? Having a bigger HDD? The size of the game on the HDD when installed? Or having a more powerful graphics card with more video ram onboard?
Yep, it's the later, and the same is true for consoles. The more vram it has and the more powerful the GPU, the better the graphics can be.
"This was lazy work on Bungie's part...though I'm pretty sure if developers have more space to work with, they'll use it."
Halo 3 and Gears of War are two totally different types of games. Neither Epic nor Bungie could have everything we see in Halo 3 (no. of characters on screen, size of the environments, highly advanced AI and physics etc) and achieve this with the graphics seen in Gears of War.
Developers have to divide the power and memory available depending on what they wish to achieve in the game, and therefore to increase in one area means decreasing others.
Still, in the end, the quality of the gameplay is the most important thing (both single player and multi-player), and therefore my fingers are crossed for KZ2 to achieve the quality of gameplay and range of options seen in Halo 3.
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Re: na2rul - 2007-10-17 |
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» Ive said this MANY TIMES
MOANING bout a console not having the latest optical disc format tech has to offer is like moaning at PS2 having a DVD format.WTF?!
THat was 1 of its selling point.
MOANING bout a console not having the latest optical disc format tech has to offer is like moaning at PS2 having a DVD format.WTF?!
THat was 1 of its selling point.
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Re: Manny151 - 2007-10-17 |
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» Actually it does work that way
Do you think that if Halo had been done at a higher resolution it wouldn't have been bigger. You trully are an idiot. If that's not the case then why oh why are Blu-Ray's and HD-DVD's needed for high-def movies? duuuuuuuhhhhhh ................ I don't know George! I'll tell you why, Because higher resolution and textures do take up more space you numbnuts. Yeah you need a good video card to display them but if the developer doesn't put it there it won't show up no matter how good your GPU or CPU are. So you do need space where to put those textures and graphics, and unlike the PC the 360 cant have the luxury of doing a partial install of the game on the hard drive for streaming because not all their costumers have a hard drive and the ones that have a 20 GB only have about 13.5 of that available to them. So yeah I would say that the PS3 has a definite advantage over the 360 by having Blu-Ray on their console. Size does matter, if you don't believe me ask your girlfriend. GPU and ram matter but if you don't have the disc space to put all your content into then it doesn't really matter how bad ass your GPU and Ram is. At least on the 360 anyway. No hard drive on every console and no high definition disc player. Not very next gen if you ask me. Killzone would be impossible on the 360. I said it before and I'll say it again, I wonder how bad they had to cut down the size of the city on GTA 4 to fit it into a DVD9? Should have stayed on the Playstation, would've been better.
Do you think that if Halo had been done at a higher resolution it wouldn't have been bigger. You trully are an idiot. If that's not the case then why oh why are Blu-Ray's and HD-DVD's needed for high-def movies? duuuuuuuhhhhhh ................ I don't know George! I'll tell you why, Because higher resolution and textures do take up more space you numbnuts. Yeah you need a good video card to display them but if the developer doesn't put it there it won't show up no matter how good your GPU or CPU are. So you do need space where to put those textures and graphics, and unlike the PC the 360 cant have the luxury of doing a partial install of the game on the hard drive for streaming because not all their costumers have a hard drive and the ones that have a 20 GB only have about 13.5 of that available to them. So yeah I would say that the PS3 has a definite advantage over the 360 by having Blu-Ray on their console. Size does matter, if you don't believe me ask your girlfriend. GPU and ram matter but if you don't have the disc space to put all your content into then it doesn't really matter how bad ass your GPU and Ram is. At least on the 360 anyway. No hard drive on every console and no high definition disc player. Not very next gen if you ask me. Killzone would be impossible on the 360. I said it before and I'll say it again, I wonder how bad they had to cut down the size of the city on GTA 4 to fit it into a DVD9? Should have stayed on the Playstation, would've been better.
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Re: Unregistered Gamer - 2007-10-18 |
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» Please grow up Manny
This has been a decent disussion up until now without people like you throwing pointless insults at each other!
"Do you think that if Halo had been done at a higher resolution it wouldn't have been bigger."
No it wouldn't, the SCREEN RESOLUTION is not the same as the TEXTURE RESOLUTION. So before you call someone an idiot, you should try understanding the technology first. Hence Halo 3 could have been 720p without an increase in size. It *could* also be 1080p without an increase in size too (especially if the textures are already of sufficient detail).
On the PC, games can run at any screen resolution your PC will support, from the lowest resolution to the highest. Therefore higher resolutions makes the edges of polygons appear sharper (reducing the jaggies if no AA is used), but it doesn't change the textures. To vary the quality of the textures, lighting, effects etc, PC games usually provide options for you to adjust the graphics depending on the power of your PC. Load up most PC games and you can see this for yourself.
"You trully are an idiot."
Oh the irony.
"If that's not the case then why oh why are Blu-Ray's and HD-DVD's needed for high-def movies? duuuuuuuhhhhhh ..............."
Sure Einstein, because every knows that compressed digital movie formats are exactly the same as flat textures. Oh wait. *rolleyes*
Again, don't call people an idiot when you clearly don't understand the technology.
And as I expected, the rest of your post follows the same style of fanboy nonsense which you are well known for here Manny. Hence I will not waste any more time with you, since you're just a fanboy who wants to prove his console is superior ALL THE TIME, and therefore you are incapable of participating in a discussion in an adult manner.
This has been a decent disussion up until now without people like you throwing pointless insults at each other!
"Do you think that if Halo had been done at a higher resolution it wouldn't have been bigger."
No it wouldn't, the SCREEN RESOLUTION is not the same as the TEXTURE RESOLUTION. So before you call someone an idiot, you should try understanding the technology first. Hence Halo 3 could have been 720p without an increase in size. It *could* also be 1080p without an increase in size too (especially if the textures are already of sufficient detail).
On the PC, games can run at any screen resolution your PC will support, from the lowest resolution to the highest. Therefore higher resolutions makes the edges of polygons appear sharper (reducing the jaggies if no AA is used), but it doesn't change the textures. To vary the quality of the textures, lighting, effects etc, PC games usually provide options for you to adjust the graphics depending on the power of your PC. Load up most PC games and you can see this for yourself.
"You trully are an idiot."
Oh the irony.
"If that's not the case then why oh why are Blu-Ray's and HD-DVD's needed for high-def movies? duuuuuuuhhhhhh ..............."
Sure Einstein, because every knows that compressed digital movie formats are exactly the same as flat textures. Oh wait. *rolleyes*
Again, don't call people an idiot when you clearly don't understand the technology.
And as I expected, the rest of your post follows the same style of fanboy nonsense which you are well known for here Manny. Hence I will not waste any more time with you, since you're just a fanboy who wants to prove his console is superior ALL THE TIME, and therefore you are incapable of participating in a discussion in an adult manner.
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Re: Games4James - 2007-10-18 |
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» Tsk tsk Manny151
'Unreg' is right.
One of my favourite PC games online is still the 1998 game Quake3 (yeah I know, it's old, but that's the point :D). I used to play this game on my PC at 800x600, when at the time, the highest res PC gamers had was something like 1024x768.
Today, I run Quake 3 at 1600x1200 and the game looks great. As Unreg says, it looks much sharper and crisper than before! So where the characters in the distance used to look like a pixellated mess on my old monitor, they now look clear and sharp, where the edges of everything is so sharp that I don't see jaggies anymore.
So tell me Manny, did the files for Quake 3 suddenly expand all on their own on my PC's HDD because I now run the game at 1600x1200 (higher than it was designed for)? And why is it that Q3 looks so much sharper and clearer without needing more space for bigger textures? The answer is given in Unreg's post!
So it's true that Halo 3 wouldn't need more space to run at a higher resolution.
'Unreg' is right.
One of my favourite PC games online is still the 1998 game Quake3 (yeah I know, it's old, but that's the point :D). I used to play this game on my PC at 800x600, when at the time, the highest res PC gamers had was something like 1024x768.
Today, I run Quake 3 at 1600x1200 and the game looks great. As Unreg says, it looks much sharper and crisper than before! So where the characters in the distance used to look like a pixellated mess on my old monitor, they now look clear and sharp, where the edges of everything is so sharp that I don't see jaggies anymore.
So tell me Manny, did the files for Quake 3 suddenly expand all on their own on my PC's HDD because I now run the game at 1600x1200 (higher than it was designed for)? And why is it that Q3 looks so much sharper and clearer without needing more space for bigger textures? The answer is given in Unreg's post!
So it's true that Halo 3 wouldn't need more space to run at a higher resolution.
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Re: Games4James - 2007-10-18 |
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» LOL!
""You trully are an idiot."
Oh the irony."
Hehehe, I missed that before. Not that there's anything wrong with spelling errors (we all do it), but it is funny when you're calling someone an idiot in the same sentence. :D
It's almost as bad as when people write "Your an idiot". :P
""You trully are an idiot."
Oh the irony."
Hehehe, I missed that before. Not that there's anything wrong with spelling errors (we all do it), but it is funny when you're calling someone an idiot in the same sentence. :D
It's almost as bad as when people write "Your an idiot". :P
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by Briandl - 2007-10-16 |
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» Eh
Well you can't really call BS on this, there are already at least three multi disk games for the 360:
Infinite Discovery
Lost Odyssey (4 Disks)
Blue Dragon (3 Disks)
Now changing disks isn't the biggest deal in the world, especially on a forty hour game, that's a disk per ten hours, the question is, what will happen with non-linear games, and will we see games that don't look as good because of a lack of space?
Just for the record, the first Killzone wasn't a very good game, so don't hold your breath for the sequel.
Well you can't really call BS on this, there are already at least three multi disk games for the 360:
Infinite Discovery
Lost Odyssey (4 Disks)
Blue Dragon (3 Disks)
Now changing disks isn't the biggest deal in the world, especially on a forty hour game, that's a disk per ten hours, the question is, what will happen with non-linear games, and will we see games that don't look as good because of a lack of space?
Just for the record, the first Killzone wasn't a very good game, so don't hold your breath for the sequel.
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Re: Constantinecy - 2007-10-17 |
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» ...
http://www.gametrailers.com/game/1668.html
I'm giving you this link in order to enlighten your self on what Killzone 2 means and if it even compares to the the first game or any other FPS game in a console for that matter, because you obviously have absolutly what so ever no idea my friend about this game....
http://www.gametrailers.com/game/1668.html
I'm giving you this link in order to enlighten your self on what Killzone 2 means and if it even compares to the the first game or any other FPS game in a console for that matter, because you obviously have absolutly what so ever no idea my friend about this game....
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by Figboy - 2007-10-16 |
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» newsflash
THIS JUST IN!
Bioware says they're barely fitting Mass Effect on a DVD9
Rockstar is says they have been having issues fitting GTAIV on a DVD9
Ubisoft Montreal says they are having trouble getting Assassin's Creed on a DVD9
the issue with DVD space isn't just a selling point for Sony, it is the truth.
looking at the history of gaming, *EVERY GENERATION of consoles has had, and benefited from a larger disc space.
games like GTA 3 would not have been possible on a standard CD, or a cartridge, or a floppy disc.
close-minded people like you just don't understand the importance storage capacity has on gaming.
what you need to realize, is that gaming is *NOT just one aspect, but a *SUM of a bunch of aspects.
graphics, gameplay, ai, physics, storage capacity *ALL work together to create a singular gaming experience.
for some games, yes, a 25/50gig Blu Ray are not necessary, but for other games, it *WILL BE. that's just the nature of the beast, and our industry.
a developer would prefer to have, and not need, than to need, and not have. it's simply common logic.
would you rather have too little food to eat, or too much?
would you rather have one blanket, or three or four? what happens if it snows outside and temperatures drop? four blankets would be much more effective than one, correct?
as a game developer, they'd much rather have the room to fit their content on, than too little. it doesn't make them lazy, or uncreative, or stupid, because they can't or won't compress the hell out of it. has it ever occurred to you that maybe the only reasons why developers compressed in the first place is because they *HAD TO?
have you played the Ratchet and Clank demo? (i'm assuming you have a Playstation 3, otherwise, *WHY would you come to the Playstation 3 section of the site to complain if you don't have one first hand and can make accurate assumptions about the machine?)
Insomniac has stated that they use quite a bit of compression on the game, and yet it's still taking up roughly 20gigs of space. if you've seen the game running, and especially on an HDTV (i have a 40" LCD 720p Samsung), you'd be hard pressed to say the game isn't using amazingly high rez textures in practically *EVERYTHING. even the leaves on the plants have veins and other details on them.
the point i'm trying to make, is that developers are using that space.
i guarantee that if Microsoft had gone with HD DVD built inside of the 360, 360 developers would be using that 15/30gigs of space available to them.
DVD9 is starting to show it's age. period.
you're like a baby who's fighting falling to sleep; you know it's inevitable, but you still put up a fuss anyway.
THIS JUST IN!
Bioware says they're barely fitting Mass Effect on a DVD9
Rockstar is says they have been having issues fitting GTAIV on a DVD9
Ubisoft Montreal says they are having trouble getting Assassin's Creed on a DVD9
the issue with DVD space isn't just a selling point for Sony, it is the truth.
looking at the history of gaming, *EVERY GENERATION of consoles has had, and benefited from a larger disc space.
games like GTA 3 would not have been possible on a standard CD, or a cartridge, or a floppy disc.
close-minded people like you just don't understand the importance storage capacity has on gaming.
what you need to realize, is that gaming is *NOT just one aspect, but a *SUM of a bunch of aspects.
graphics, gameplay, ai, physics, storage capacity *ALL work together to create a singular gaming experience.
for some games, yes, a 25/50gig Blu Ray are not necessary, but for other games, it *WILL BE. that's just the nature of the beast, and our industry.
a developer would prefer to have, and not need, than to need, and not have. it's simply common logic.
would you rather have too little food to eat, or too much?
would you rather have one blanket, or three or four? what happens if it snows outside and temperatures drop? four blankets would be much more effective than one, correct?
as a game developer, they'd much rather have the room to fit their content on, than too little. it doesn't make them lazy, or uncreative, or stupid, because they can't or won't compress the hell out of it. has it ever occurred to you that maybe the only reasons why developers compressed in the first place is because they *HAD TO?
have you played the Ratchet and Clank demo? (i'm assuming you have a Playstation 3, otherwise, *WHY would you come to the Playstation 3 section of the site to complain if you don't have one first hand and can make accurate assumptions about the machine?)
Insomniac has stated that they use quite a bit of compression on the game, and yet it's still taking up roughly 20gigs of space. if you've seen the game running, and especially on an HDTV (i have a 40" LCD 720p Samsung), you'd be hard pressed to say the game isn't using amazingly high rez textures in practically *EVERYTHING. even the leaves on the plants have veins and other details on them.
the point i'm trying to make, is that developers are using that space.
i guarantee that if Microsoft had gone with HD DVD built inside of the 360, 360 developers would be using that 15/30gigs of space available to them.
DVD9 is starting to show it's age. period.
you're like a baby who's fighting falling to sleep; you know it's inevitable, but you still put up a fuss anyway.
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Re: carnage3694 - 2007-10-17 |
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» woohoo
you cant deny the fact that halo 3 and gears of war would have been kickass games if they had blu ray. am not saying that there not good now, there amazing,but would have been brilliant if they used hd dvd or bluray.
you cant deny the fact that halo 3 and gears of war would have been kickass games if they had blu ray. am not saying that there not good now, there amazing,but would have been brilliant if they used hd dvd or bluray.
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Re: Thinker - 2007-10-17 |
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» To carnage3694
I own both a PS3 and a 360, and I don't think having either GeOW or H3 on Blu-ray would have made the slightest bit of difference. They are kickass games irrespective of the media they are recorded on. What you are saying is just biased BS.
I own both a PS3 and a 360, and I don't think having either GeOW or H3 on Blu-ray would have made the slightest bit of difference. They are kickass games irrespective of the media they are recorded on. What you are saying is just biased BS.
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Re: Constantinecy - 2007-10-18 |
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» Thinker
And you say that through the years of experience you gained at bungie studios right?
And you say that through the years of experience you gained at bungie studios right?
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Re: Thinker - 2007-10-18 |
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» To Constantinecy
Nope, I say that out of using my common sense. Tell me how Bioshock and Halo 3, as they are right now, would have been better by the inclusion of BR. I own a PS3 (and own games - RFOM, Darkness, NGS, Warhawk and HS) as well as a 360, but my bias is towards a PS3. However, common sense dictates that the same game is not suddenly going to vastly improve just by being recorded on a media with more storage capacity.
If you can prove otherwise, feel free to correct me. But please offer a rational explanation, not biased bs.
Nope, I say that out of using my common sense. Tell me how Bioshock and Halo 3, as they are right now, would have been better by the inclusion of BR. I own a PS3 (and own games - RFOM, Darkness, NGS, Warhawk and HS) as well as a 360, but my bias is towards a PS3. However, common sense dictates that the same game is not suddenly going to vastly improve just by being recorded on a media with more storage capacity.
If you can prove otherwise, feel free to correct me. But please offer a rational explanation, not biased bs.
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Re: Constantinecy - 2007-10-19 |
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» To Thinker
First of all you havent proved otherwise my friend(that BR was not needed), the real fact here is that that Halo 3 and Bioshock and all Mega titles as I call them whouldnt be better on BR just because its BL no thats not the case.
The case here is the fact that if developers had more than 4 times the space on a single media (single media allows final price to remain low and saves the trouble of changing disks), regardless the media that is BR or HDdvd, they would be able to include additional maps , content and be able to push both sound and graphics as far as the system goes as we saw in Gears(plus avoiding complex compression codes leading to CPU resource drainage).
Theres no way to prove that more capacity per single media is not needed as long as games get bigger, sound and look better.
My theory on the matter of MS not switching to HD-dvd for its new console is clearly to make money through XBL and its ''per game additional content''. Think about it with a clear mind for a sec and you will realise as i did that MS knew what they were doing by limiting their console with DVD9 that way they would have the excuse to offer the extra part of a game that ''whould not fit into the dvd' through XBL for a ''small' amount of money. Plus the significantly lower production costs of a dvd drive rather an HD one. Deception is MS's slogan.
You all have to wake up and realise that MS is the real beast here making sony look like a sand spec in a beach.
And thinker...dont reply mechanically like a brainwashed 360 fanboy just think about it...
First of all you havent proved otherwise my friend(that BR was not needed), the real fact here is that that Halo 3 and Bioshock and all Mega titles as I call them whouldnt be better on BR just because its BL no thats not the case.
The case here is the fact that if developers had more than 4 times the space on a single media (single media allows final price to remain low and saves the trouble of changing disks), regardless the media that is BR or HDdvd, they would be able to include additional maps , content and be able to push both sound and graphics as far as the system goes as we saw in Gears(plus avoiding complex compression codes leading to CPU resource drainage).
Theres no way to prove that more capacity per single media is not needed as long as games get bigger, sound and look better.
My theory on the matter of MS not switching to HD-dvd for its new console is clearly to make money through XBL and its ''per game additional content''. Think about it with a clear mind for a sec and you will realise as i did that MS knew what they were doing by limiting their console with DVD9 that way they would have the excuse to offer the extra part of a game that ''whould not fit into the dvd' through XBL for a ''small' amount of money. Plus the significantly lower production costs of a dvd drive rather an HD one. Deception is MS's slogan.
You all have to wake up and realise that MS is the real beast here making sony look like a sand spec in a beach.
And thinker...dont reply mechanically like a brainwashed 360 fanboy just think about it...
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by Briandl - 2007-10-16 |
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I hadn't hear about those other games, where did you get that info?
I hadn't hear about those other games, where did you get that info?
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by DVSDevise - 2007-10-16 |
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Sony fanboys need this to be true. But Sony have said that Blu-Ray is needed for every first party title they have released. Motorstorm, Resistance, Lair, Heavenly Sword, and all those were lies. If Bioshock, Gears of War, Oblivion, Halo 3, Forza 2, PGR4, HL2, Assassins Creed, Mass Effect or GTA IV were exclusive Sony titles they would say the same thing. Even if Killzone couldn't fit on 1 DVD it could EASILY fit on 2. Playstation owners had no problems changing discs in previous generation but obviously they are trying to justify their consoles existence. Rant on.
Sony fanboys need this to be true. But Sony have said that Blu-Ray is needed for every first party title they have released. Motorstorm, Resistance, Lair, Heavenly Sword, and all those were lies. If Bioshock, Gears of War, Oblivion, Halo 3, Forza 2, PGR4, HL2, Assassins Creed, Mass Effect or GTA IV were exclusive Sony titles they would say the same thing. Even if Killzone couldn't fit on 1 DVD it could EASILY fit on 2. Playstation owners had no problems changing discs in previous generation but obviously they are trying to justify their consoles existence. Rant on.
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Re: Thinker - 2007-10-17 |
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» To Devise
And 360 fanboys need this to be untrue. Even where games run into multiple discs, they will say that they don't have any problem doing that. And you would have to be blind not to realize that, in non-linear games where a side-quest might require you to jump from one section of the map to another section (which might be on a separate disc), they will shout from the rooftops that they are okay with it (even though they might ***** about it behind closed doors or with other 360 fans). PS owners had no problems with changing discs because at that time, games were not capable of providing as much (in terms of graphics or AI or physics) and so didn't require as much disc space, so games could be compartmented into separate discs according to the story. Also, 360 owners (like you) are trying to justify their Console's existence by saying more disc space is not required. Did people like you argue when games moved beyond floppies to CDs, or from CDs to DVDs?
CAN YOU STATE, WITH COMPLETE ASSURANCE, THAT DVD IS THE PINNACLE OF GAMES STORAGE MEDIA? If not, then quit ranting.
And 360 fanboys need this to be untrue. Even where games run into multiple discs, they will say that they don't have any problem doing that. And you would have to be blind not to realize that, in non-linear games where a side-quest might require you to jump from one section of the map to another section (which might be on a separate disc), they will shout from the rooftops that they are okay with it (even though they might ***** about it behind closed doors or with other 360 fans). PS owners had no problems with changing discs because at that time, games were not capable of providing as much (in terms of graphics or AI or physics) and so didn't require as much disc space, so games could be compartmented into separate discs according to the story. Also, 360 owners (like you) are trying to justify their Console's existence by saying more disc space is not required. Did people like you argue when games moved beyond floppies to CDs, or from CDs to DVDs?
CAN YOU STATE, WITH COMPLETE ASSURANCE, THAT DVD IS THE PINNACLE OF GAMES STORAGE MEDIA? If not, then quit ranting.
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Re: trixter - 2007-10-17 |
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» two cents...
Well now...rather heated with fanboys on the left and fanboys on the right!
Truth is that the xbox crowd will want this to not be true because there is no easy out for them while the ps crowd want to rub this in the xbox crowds face.
come now - all play nice - get both consoles already and rather shoot the crappy wii - yeah it may sell more units but how long is that gonna last?
Well now...rather heated with fanboys on the left and fanboys on the right!
Truth is that the xbox crowd will want this to not be true because there is no easy out for them while the ps crowd want to rub this in the xbox crowds face.
come now - all play nice - get both consoles already and rather shoot the crappy wii - yeah it may sell more units but how long is that gonna last?
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Re: Thinker - 2007-10-17 |
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» @ trixter
" Well now...rather heated with fanboys on the left and fanboys on the right!"
-> LOL. Touche!
" Well now...rather heated with fanboys on the left and fanboys on the right!"
-> LOL. Touche!
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Re: DVSDevise - 2007-10-17 |
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Well it's a fact that Sony publishers crap on about the power of cell and Blu-Ray disc space. As I said no PS3 title current available is not possible on DVD. And you'll probably find that COD4 is probably pushing the limits of gaming as hard or even harder an Killzone 2. It's not that I don't think DVD size is ever an issue for developers, it's just that I believe the challenges facing developers is greater on the PS3 side with the architecture. You just have to look at what John Carmack is doing with the id engine to appreciate where game development, detail and compression is going. PC's will be using DVD discs for atleast the next 5 years yet the PC is already surpasses the PS3 and 360 in graphics quality. That will be blown out wider when Cyrsis is released on DVD this November.
So yes I can give complete assurance that is DVD is all that is require for the 360 and PC platform for that next 4 to 5 years.
Well it's a fact that Sony publishers crap on about the power of cell and Blu-Ray disc space. As I said no PS3 title current available is not possible on DVD. And you'll probably find that COD4 is probably pushing the limits of gaming as hard or even harder an Killzone 2. It's not that I don't think DVD size is ever an issue for developers, it's just that I believe the challenges facing developers is greater on the PS3 side with the architecture. You just have to look at what John Carmack is doing with the id engine to appreciate where game development, detail and compression is going. PC's will be using DVD discs for atleast the next 5 years yet the PC is already surpasses the PS3 and 360 in graphics quality. That will be blown out wider when Cyrsis is released on DVD this November.
So yes I can give complete assurance that is DVD is all that is require for the 360 and PC platform for that next 4 to 5 years.
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Re: Thinker - 2007-10-18 |
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» Devise - put up or shut up
"As I said no PS3 title current available is not possible on DVD."
-> How about Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank. You'll find most PS3 exclusives go well over the storage limits of a DVD. Are you saying this is because ALL of these developers don't know how to store data efficiently on a disc? Are you saying YOU know better on how to make a game than ALL of these developers? Sorry to destroy your conceit, but I think you are misguided.
Also, PC games typically install on the hard drive, and sometimes still need to keep the game disc in the drive when being played (although that may be just to prevent piracy). And I'm sure that there are some PC games out there requiring multiple DVDs. Can you say that PC games so far have NEVER required, or will NEVER require more than one DVD?
Earlier I said that if a PS3 game takes up more than 9 GB, 360 fanboys will say it could have been compressed BETTER and could have fit on a DVD. If a game is multiplatform and still needs Blu-ray, they will say they can get it on multiple DVDs (even though it might be a free-roaming game like Assassin's Creed). That is what I believe you are doing with your post here mate.
Just because you say (in spite of several developers mentioning lack of storage space: Mark Rein with UT3, Ubisoft with Assassin's Creed, Rockstar with GTA - among others) that more storage space is not needed does not make it so.
In summary, I'm not saying Blu-ray is a necessity, but your saying that DVD will always suffice is definitely biased bs.
"As I said no PS3 title current available is not possible on DVD."
-> How about Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank. You'll find most PS3 exclusives go well over the storage limits of a DVD. Are you saying this is because ALL of these developers don't know how to store data efficiently on a disc? Are you saying YOU know better on how to make a game than ALL of these developers? Sorry to destroy your conceit, but I think you are misguided.
Also, PC games typically install on the hard drive, and sometimes still need to keep the game disc in the drive when being played (although that may be just to prevent piracy). And I'm sure that there are some PC games out there requiring multiple DVDs. Can you say that PC games so far have NEVER required, or will NEVER require more than one DVD?
Earlier I said that if a PS3 game takes up more than 9 GB, 360 fanboys will say it could have been compressed BETTER and could have fit on a DVD. If a game is multiplatform and still needs Blu-ray, they will say they can get it on multiple DVDs (even though it might be a free-roaming game like Assassin's Creed). That is what I believe you are doing with your post here mate.
Just because you say (in spite of several developers mentioning lack of storage space: Mark Rein with UT3, Ubisoft with Assassin's Creed, Rockstar with GTA - among others) that more storage space is not needed does not make it so.
In summary, I'm not saying Blu-ray is a necessity, but your saying that DVD will always suffice is definitely biased bs.
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by McAwesome - 2007-10-16 |
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» Everything gets bigger and stronger
It's true, as everything advances, it must get bigger and stronger. This is console evolution, if you don't keep up, you get left behind. There's no point in owning a Wii or 360, I'm sorry but last gen is out and next gen is in!
It's true, as everything advances, it must get bigger and stronger. This is console evolution, if you don't keep up, you get left behind. There's no point in owning a Wii or 360, I'm sorry but last gen is out and next gen is in!
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Yes delayed games and shotty ports are next gen.
Yes delayed games and shotty ports are next gen.
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Re: Shadownet - 2007-10-16 |
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» no...
but defective consoles, $60 a year, and a last gen format obviously is...
but defective consoles, $60 a year, and a last gen format obviously is...
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Re: Quixand - 2007-10-16 |
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» hahaha!!! good stuff!!!
you pwned him big time there Shadownet!!!
you pwned him big time there Shadownet!!!
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Bets waiting years for something worth while to play on the PS3, good luck with that.
Bets waiting years for something worth while to play on the PS3, good luck with that.
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Re: Unregistered Gamer - 2007-10-17 |
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» Wrong McAwesome
Next-gen is not just about hardware, it's about hardware and software. And just as none of the current consoles are fully next-gen when you break down the components (the G71 based GPU of the PS3 is hardly next-gen, just like the DVD drive in the 360 and much of the tech in the Wii), today's next-gen games are full of last-gen gameplay.
So it's pointless gamers picking and choosing areas to define one console as next-gen and others as last-gen. Next-gen simply means next generation, and so all the consoles (PS3, 360 and Wii) are as 'next-gen' as each other.
Next-gen is not just about hardware, it's about hardware and software. And just as none of the current consoles are fully next-gen when you break down the components (the G71 based GPU of the PS3 is hardly next-gen, just like the DVD drive in the 360 and much of the tech in the Wii), today's next-gen games are full of last-gen gameplay.
So it's pointless gamers picking and choosing areas to define one console as next-gen and others as last-gen. Next-gen simply means next generation, and so all the consoles (PS3, 360 and Wii) are as 'next-gen' as each other.
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Re: Quixand - 2007-10-17 |
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» hahaha
devise you don't have a PS3!!! you don't know sh*it about our games!!!!!
i've had mine since launch for 6 months and from the get go Resistance, Motorstorm, Oblivion, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Virtua Fighter 5... in my first six months!!!! that's fuc*kin good gaming right there and you can't tell me otherwise!!! even if it was only Oblivion, Resistance, and Warhawk it would have already taken 6 months of gaming life and be a very lucky gamer!!!
and in two months i get to add Assassins, Drake, Rachet, and Eye Of Judgment on that list and maybe even Haze and COD4 if i feel like it!!!! and i've had my PS3 for only 9-10 months by then...
you don't know sh*it about PS3 games and those ignorant posts are all you can pull from your sleeves? you're only showing how little you know about what's going on.
you weren't any good at comebacks anyway... you need some personality to do that... and guess what you are the only XBot throll remaining patrolling the PS3 forums... even outlived the throlling of Aoxomamo, XMan, Shatterdome, Hellraiser, etc... now that is pathetic.
devise you don't have a PS3!!! you don't know sh*it about our games!!!!!
i've had mine since launch for 6 months and from the get go Resistance, Motorstorm, Oblivion, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Virtua Fighter 5... in my first six months!!!! that's fuc*kin good gaming right there and you can't tell me otherwise!!! even if it was only Oblivion, Resistance, and Warhawk it would have already taken 6 months of gaming life and be a very lucky gamer!!!
and in two months i get to add Assassins, Drake, Rachet, and Eye Of Judgment on that list and maybe even Haze and COD4 if i feel like it!!!! and i've had my PS3 for only 9-10 months by then...
you don't know sh*it about PS3 games and those ignorant posts are all you can pull from your sleeves? you're only showing how little you know about what's going on.
you weren't any good at comebacks anyway... you need some personality to do that... and guess what you are the only XBot throll remaining patrolling the PS3 forums... even outlived the throlling of Aoxomamo, XMan, Shatterdome, Hellraiser, etc... now that is pathetic.
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Re: Constantinecy - 2007-10-17 |
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» you forgot one Quix
The king of xbots his highness Mister none other Common sense
The king of xbots his highness Mister none other Common sense
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Re: DVSDevise - 2007-10-17 |
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I guess because you don't have an 360 you're use to a limited amount of good games and downloadable content. It's like I have an exclusive pass for content that my releases actual arrive on time and I'm the first to get demos. COD4 beta and other Multiplayer demos. Then 95% of my cross platform titles perform better on my box. No reason for me to own a PS3. I just think it's funny how Sony makes the publishers spit this dribble cause the PS3 is a major fu-ck up. Honestly did anyone think this console would sell so bad and would have so many problems with developers? They've already devalued the console US $200 out of desperation and are releasing new controllers with a last gen feature.
Still haven't touched my comment above. Why are Sony fanboys ducking it? Sitting there for over 12 hours now kicking you Sony fanboys in the face.
I guess because you don't have an 360 you're use to a limited amount of good games and downloadable content. It's like I have an exclusive pass for content that my releases actual arrive on time and I'm the first to get demos. COD4 beta and other Multiplayer demos. Then 95% of my cross platform titles perform better on my box. No reason for me to own a PS3. I just think it's funny how Sony makes the publishers spit this dribble cause the PS3 is a major fu-ck up. Honestly did anyone think this console would sell so bad and would have so many problems with developers? They've already devalued the console US $200 out of desperation and are releasing new controllers with a last gen feature.
Still haven't touched my comment above. Why are Sony fanboys ducking it? Sitting there for over 12 hours now kicking you Sony fanboys in the face.
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" last gen feature."
So tell me, what does the xbox360 have to offer that is 'next gen' and that other consoles don't have ?
And besides, you xbox trolls were the ones ranting on the PS3 for not having this 'last-gen-feature' and telling us how good the xbox360 was for having it...
" last gen feature."
So tell me, what does the xbox360 have to offer that is 'next gen' and that other consoles don't have ?
And besides, you xbox trolls were the ones ranting on the PS3 for not having this 'last-gen-feature' and telling us how good the xbox360 was for having it...
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Re: Thinker - 2007-10-17 |
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» To Devise (the new 360 troll)
" I guess because you don't have an 360 you're use to a limited amount of good games and downloadable content. "
Well I do. I've had one since Mar 2006. I also own the following 360 games: PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, Dead Rising, GRAW, Oblivion Collector's Ed, BioShock, Halo 3 Ltd Ed. I've also played Gears of War, Call of Duty 2, CoD 3, and a few other games (but these stuck in my mind).
In addition, I own a PS3 (have had it since Feb 2007). I also own the following PS3 games - RFOM, The Darkness, NGS, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk. I've also played Motorstorm and Need for Speed Carbon.
Thus I believe I'm in a position to comment on both (unlike you, who likes to bash the PS3 without having owned or played one).
Also, I've seen that 360 fanboys like you, whenever confronted with the fact that multiplatform titles are NOT 360 exclusives (like so many of you pretend to be), you like to spout dribble that it is better on YOUR console. Ah! But it is better than my Console! Do you even know how that sounds like? This is how it you sound like: "So you have a Daddy too? But my Daddy is stronger than your Daddy! He has more muscles! You will see! You just wait and see!"
"Still haven't touched my comment above. Why are Sony fanboys ducking it? Sitting there for over 12 hours now kicking you Sony fanboys in the face."
-> That's what you like to believe. When confronted with logic, all you can come up with is "But I'm beating you!". Do you know what that sounds like? In the Vietnam War, the US got royally thrashed. So what did they do? They ran and "declared victory". You, my friend, are doing something like that when you say you are coming up with better arguments. If you really want to broaden your perspective, read some of the comments above.
If you reply to this comment by re-iterating the same trash you have been stating for over the past 15 hours, then you will prove yourself to be an immature 360 fanboy. Please try and come up with something new to save yourself. And oh, just calling me names and not coming up with any reasonable arguments will not help in proving your point.
" I guess because you don't have an 360 you're use to a limited amount of good games and downloadable content. "
Well I do. I've had one since Mar 2006. I also own the following 360 games: PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, Dead Rising, GRAW, Oblivion Collector's Ed, BioShock, Halo 3 Ltd Ed. I've also played Gears of War, Call of Duty 2, CoD 3, and a few other games (but these stuck in my mind).
In addition, I own a PS3 (have had it since Feb 2007). I also own the following PS3 games - RFOM, The Darkness, NGS, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk. I've also played Motorstorm and Need for Speed Carbon.
Thus I believe I'm in a position to comment on both (unlike you, who likes to bash the PS3 without having owned or played one).
Also, I've seen that 360 fanboys like you, whenever confronted with the fact that multiplatform titles are NOT 360 exclusives (like so many of you pretend to be), you like to spout dribble that it is better on YOUR console. Ah! But it is better than my Console! Do you even know how that sounds like? This is how it you sound like: "So you have a Daddy too? But my Daddy is stronger than your Daddy! He has more muscles! You will see! You just wait and see!"
"Still haven't touched my comment above. Why are Sony fanboys ducking it? Sitting there for over 12 hours now kicking you Sony fanboys in the face."
-> That's what you like to believe. When confronted with logic, all you can come up with is "But I'm beating you!". Do you know what that sounds like? In the Vietnam War, the US got royally thrashed. So what did they do? They ran and "declared victory". You, my friend, are doing something like that when you say you are coming up with better arguments. If you really want to broaden your perspective, read some of the comments above.
If you reply to this comment by re-iterating the same trash you have been stating for over the past 15 hours, then you will prove yourself to be an immature 360 fanboy. Please try and come up with something new to save yourself. And oh, just calling me names and not coming up with any reasonable arguments will not help in proving your point.
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Re: Mister Common Sense - 2007-10-17 |
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» EX XBOT
Someday blu ray may be needed, and I'm sure it's tough to squeeze all the game data onto a DVD9, but the point is the 360 has some amazing games on one disc. All the PS3 games so far really don't offer much more than any 360 game I've seen, so I don't think any PS3 game really needed blu ray up to this point.
If they fill the Killzone 2 disc with actual GAME DATA instead of uncompressed muliti language 7.1 audio and full motion video filler, and make a long campaign with full mulitplayer features, then I might agree they actually needed a blu ray disc! I don't think it's going to happen.
Yes I have both and I don't care which one is better, even if it mattered.
Someday blu ray may be needed, and I'm sure it's tough to squeeze all the game data onto a DVD9, but the point is the 360 has some amazing games on one disc. All the PS3 games so far really don't offer much more than any 360 game I've seen, so I don't think any PS3 game really needed blu ray up to this point.
If they fill the Killzone 2 disc with actual GAME DATA instead of uncompressed muliti language 7.1 audio and full motion video filler, and make a long campaign with full mulitplayer features, then I might agree they actually needed a blu ray disc! I don't think it's going to happen.
Yes I have both and I don't care which one is better, even if it mattered.
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Re: Thinker - 2007-10-17 |
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» To MCS
"Yes I have both and I don't care which one is better, even if it mattered."
Neither do I, man, although I admit to being slightly biased in favour of the PS3. It just infuriates me when blind fanboys like Devise come here to spout biased and hypocritical garbage.
"Yes I have both and I don't care which one is better, even if it mattered."
Neither do I, man, although I admit to being slightly biased in favour of the PS3. It just infuriates me when blind fanboys like Devise come here to spout biased and hypocritical garbage.
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Re: Manny151 - 2007-10-18 |
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» @ Unregistered Gamer
Wroooooong. The PS3 is far more next gen than the 360 or Wii. The GPU on the PS3 might be a little dated, but that is the only component on the PS3 that is guilty of that, and the Cell more than picks up the slack. Everything else is far superior than the competition. As far as games go, Killzone might just be another FPS with Amazing graphics but can definitely not say the same for games like little Big Planet, Echochrome, Eye of judgment, Eyedentify and Heavy Rain. What game on either of the other consoles can stand up to these titles as far a next-gen gameplay and originality goes? None! Sony isn't just about the hardware it's also about innovation in gaming but Xbots are just too thick headed to see it. Oh and by the way I own a 360 (which I just found out will be arriving back tomorrow from getting repaired) and plan on buying a Wii as well. I'm no fanboy but I do prefer my PS3 simply because it's better built it's future proof (Blu-Ray/Cell/Bluetooth/Wi-fi) and they have more innovative people behind it. Also they don't charge me for every single little thing and make everything proprietary like MS does. If all these developers are complaining about not having enough disc space now, what will happen a year from now or two. Games will only get bigger and the Microsoft can't force their costumers to buy a hard drive for their consoles so that they can do installs for their games. So what's gonna happen, they will get left behind. I just don't get why XBots won't admitt that not including a hard drive on every console and not including one of the high capacity disc formats on their consoles was a mistake. They still got a great console but it will get left behind unless they get rid of they discontinue their core system and alienate everyone that has one by making games that require a hard drive, and I don't think they'll go that far. So what's gonna happen? Are they gonna send a 120GB hard drive to every one of their costumers that don't own an Elite? I doubt it! lol
Wroooooong. The PS3 is far more next gen than the 360 or Wii. The GPU on the PS3 might be a little dated, but that is the only component on the PS3 that is guilty of that, and the Cell more than picks up the slack. Everything else is far superior than the competition. As far as games go, Killzone might just be another FPS with Amazing graphics but can definitely not say the same for games like little Big Planet, Echochrome, Eye of judgment, Eyedentify and Heavy Rain. What game on either of the other consoles can stand up to these titles as far a next-gen gameplay and originality goes? None! Sony isn't just about the hardware it's also about innovation in gaming but Xbots are just too thick headed to see it. Oh and by the way I own a 360 (which I just found out will be arriving back tomorrow from getting repaired) and plan on buying a Wii as well. I'm no fanboy but I do prefer my PS3 simply because it's better built it's future proof (Blu-Ray/Cell/Bluetooth/Wi-fi) and they have more innovative people behind it. Also they don't charge me for every single little thing and make everything proprietary like MS does. If all these developers are complaining about not having enough disc space now, what will happen a year from now or two. Games will only get bigger and the Microsoft can't force their costumers to buy a hard drive for their consoles so that they can do installs for their games. So what's gonna happen, they will get left behind. I just don't get why XBots won't admitt that not including a hard drive on every console and not including one of the high capacity disc formats on their consoles was a mistake. They still got a great console but it will get left behind unless they get rid of they discontinue their core system and alienate everyone that has one by making games that require a hard drive, and I don't think they'll go that far. So what's gonna happen? Are they gonna send a 120GB hard drive to every one of their costumers that don't own an Elite? I doubt it! lol
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Re: Thinker - 2007-10-18 |
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» Manny Manny Manny
Why did you have to stoop to Devise's low level?
Why did you have to stoop to Devise's low level?
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Re: Unregistered Gamer - 2007-10-18 |
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» That's because he's a hardcore fanboy Thinker. :)
The type who always rants in one solid block of text as if paragraphs don't exist, who prefers to insult people instead of offering mature arguements and the type who ignores posts when strongly challenged (just as he did above to myself and Games4James).
In otherwords, he's a waste of time. He hasn't stooped to Devise's low level, that's simply the level he's always argued from. :|
The type who always rants in one solid block of text as if paragraphs don't exist, who prefers to insult people instead of offering mature arguements and the type who ignores posts when strongly challenged (just as he did above to myself and Games4James).
In otherwords, he's a waste of time. He hasn't stooped to Devise's low level, that's simply the level he's always argued from. :|
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» To Unreg
"He hasn't stooped to Devise's low level, that's simply the level he's always argued from."
Hey man, you have a way with words! Impressive!
BTW, if you want to catch me on either XBL or PSN, my Gamer IDs are:
XBL: Man The King
PSN: Man_The_King
"He hasn't stooped to Devise's low level, that's simply the level he's always argued from."
Hey man, you have a way with words! Impressive!
BTW, if you want to catch me on either XBL or PSN, my Gamer IDs are:
XBL: Man The King
PSN: Man_The_King
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Re: Unregistered Gamer - 2007-10-19 |
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» Thanks Thinker
Much appreciated. :)
Unfortunately, I have neither console as yet (but I do plan to buy one of them soon, with the other console to follow later). Therefore I've noted your gamer IDs in my dairy and will be happy to contact you once I'm online with one of the consoles.
Until then, happy gaming. :)
Much appreciated. :)
Unfortunately, I have neither console as yet (but I do plan to buy one of them soon, with the other console to follow later). Therefore I've noted your gamer IDs in my dairy and will be happy to contact you once I'm online with one of the consoles.
Until then, happy gaming. :)
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» Hehehe
"Hey man, you have a way with words! Impressive!"
Agreed. Unreg is good :)
""He hasn't stooped to Devise's low level, that's simply the level he's always argued from.""
Ouch! I like it! I'm going to use that line myself sometime. :D
"Hey man, you have a way with words! Impressive!"
Agreed. Unreg is good :)
""He hasn't stooped to Devise's low level, that's simply the level he's always argued from.""
Ouch! I like it! I'm going to use that line myself sometime. :D
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by MyDixieNormous - 2007-10-16 |
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» got dayum
ppl quit writin dam essays on ur opinions on games
Killzones still goin to b good! ratchet & clank demo was amazn
ppl quit writin dam essays on ur opinions on games
Killzones still goin to b good! ratchet & clank demo was amazn
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Re: TheChosenCheif - 2007-10-17 |
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» yeah
maybe its gonna be the halo killer again. haha
maybe its gonna be the halo killer again. haha
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Re: SOLID_SNAKE_ARM_OF_ONE - 2007-10-17 |
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» Killzone 2....
in the end it has lived up to the tralier back in 05 so at E3 this year truly shows what the PS3 can do....if kill zone 2 works out as a crapy game... it sure as hell will be a show piece title ,in what the ps3 is able to do GFX wise AI wise etc etc etc
in the end it has lived up to the tralier back in 05 so at E3 this year truly shows what the PS3 can do....if kill zone 2 works out as a crapy game... it sure as hell will be a show piece title ,in what the ps3 is able to do GFX wise AI wise etc etc etc
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