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Scientific computing is just number crunching, which the PS3s are very good at given the Cell processor and deploying them in a cluster. Right now one limitation is the 512 megabyte RAM memory constraint, but it might be possible to retrofit more RAM. We just haven't cracked the case and explored that option yet. Here at NC State, we will use it for educational purposes and for research. We are working with scientists to determine the needs and how our cluster can be used to their benefit, and our computer science faculty is already using the cluster to teach classes in operating systems, with parallel systems, compilers and gaming likely to follow. |
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by Dan (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» ...
booo, sony will just lose money this way making other things more expensive
They have a loss at every consol sold, and i dont think buying many consols w/ no games/accessories is going to help them
booo, sony will just lose money this way making other things more expensive
They have a loss at every consol sold, and i dont think buying many consols w/ no games/accessories is going to help them
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Re: dean (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» huh
mmmm. your not being honest are you? If not, wow another thing to proove that 92percent of americans are re re's. if so, very funny
mmmm. your not being honest are you? If not, wow another thing to proove that 92percent of americans are re re's. if so, very funny
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Re: CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS - 2007-03-10 |
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» Yeah But...
Publicity like this will help Sony.
Publicity like this will help Sony.
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Re: ewr (Unregistered) - 2007-03-11 |
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» THis is
http://bluedragon.tv/
http://bluedragon.tv/
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by WEEZY (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» Hahaha look at these guys
ROFL PS3 sucks.. why cant they just use nornmal PCs...its much cheaper
Ooo advancement in technology these guys are just wasting time..we want games not some scientific crap
Good luck with limited Ram haha
ROFL PS3 sucks.. why cant they just use nornmal PCs...its much cheaper
Ooo advancement in technology these guys are just wasting time..we want games not some scientific crap
Good luck with limited Ram haha
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Re: Ps3-rules (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» WOW your DUmb
THey are just trying to show how powerful the ps3 is! and he said that there is a way to get more RAm so dont worry about that and anyways they did the same with the 360 and they needed like 18 to get the same power!
THey are just trying to show how powerful the ps3 is! and he said that there is a way to get more RAm so dont worry about that and anyways they did the same with the 360 and they needed like 18 to get the same power!
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Re: D: :D (Unregistered) - 2007-03-11 |
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» ---
You're wasting your time right now, they want scientific crap, they don't care what you want.
You're wasting your time right now, they want scientific crap, they don't care what you want.
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by blazeking (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» dummies
Do you even know what a super-computer is. This setup with that much money invested in it is a technological beast when you incorporate the Cell.
This you your tipical basher rightt here:
Dan: " booo, sony will just lose money this way making other things more expensive"
but what isn't the name of the article???
"NC University prof created a supercomputer using eight PS3 units"??????
He has no idea what he's talking about. He's talking just to bash.
And WEEZY:
" ROFL PS3 sucks.. why cant they just use nornmal PCs...its much cheaper
Ooo advancement in technology these guys are just wasting time..we want games not some scientific crap"
I want the scientific crap, you don't speak for all us. Beats being stuck in the caveman era, don't ya think?!
Do you even know what a super-computer is. This setup with that much money invested in it is a technological beast when you incorporate the Cell.
This you your tipical basher rightt here:
Dan: " booo, sony will just lose money this way making other things more expensive"
but what isn't the name of the article???
"NC University prof created a supercomputer using eight PS3 units"??????
He has no idea what he's talking about. He's talking just to bash.
And WEEZY:
" ROFL PS3 sucks.. why cant they just use nornmal PCs...its much cheaper
Ooo advancement in technology these guys are just wasting time..we want games not some scientific crap"
I want the scientific crap, you don't speak for all us. Beats being stuck in the caveman era, don't ya think?!
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by Nismobeach (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» This just proves
how much of a computing performance bargain the PS3 actually is. Ironically main complaint that the researcher had was the lack of RAM that Sony built into the unit from the factory.
They should have at made the RAM upgradeable as that's the only bottle neck on the system, IMO.
Overall this is cool news and haters need to grow up.
how much of a computing performance bargain the PS3 actually is. Ironically main complaint that the researcher had was the lack of RAM that Sony built into the unit from the factory.
They should have at made the RAM upgradeable as that's the only bottle neck on the system, IMO.
Overall this is cool news and haters need to grow up.
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by Jason (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» Kewl stuff that a true geek can enjoy.
Meh to the fanboys...
This is kewl. At least Sony has been kind enough to give us access to easily do this.
Meh to the fanboys...
This is kewl. At least Sony has been kind enough to give us access to easily do this.
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by Mr Sarcasim (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» hmmm...
i wonder how many 360 systems would have to be combined to give similar performace
a hundred,two hundred......i wonder ;)
i wonder how many 360 systems would have to be combined to give similar performace
a hundred,two hundred......i wonder ;)
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Re: SunnysideUp (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» Actually
For floating-point performance, about 11 or 12 360s are needed. For general purpose computing, only about 3 are needed to offer similar performance.
For floating-point performance, about 11 or 12 360s are needed. For general purpose computing, only about 3 are needed to offer similar performance.
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Re: CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS - 2007-03-10 |
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» Ha Ha SunnysideUp...
False...
False...
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Re: Game123 (Unregistered) - 2007-03-11 |
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» Hmmm
Actually CHUCKING..., Sunnysideup has at least been the ONLY person here to provide evidence to back up his claims in this thread, and imo, he appears to be correct. What do you have to offer other than "Ha ha False". Where's your evidence?
Actually CHUCKING..., Sunnysideup has at least been the ONLY person here to provide evidence to back up his claims in this thread, and imo, he appears to be correct. What do you have to offer other than "Ha ha False". Where's your evidence?
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by mr sarcasim (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» hahaha u like that joke
im playing maybe 12 to 18
im playing maybe 12 to 18
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by Mr Common Sense is a Damn Fool (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» You guys need to learn before you talk!
Damn, if you don't know anything about computers or math, don't post on a topic about computers or math. Even the latest computers, core2duo can't do the parallel processing of the cell. The x360 is way out of it's league in math processing. You think the university did this just for fun? They needed a cheap supercomputer. Unlike buying the 30-50 core2 machines it would take to equal this processing power, or the similar amount of xbox 360s (30-50 not 8, yes the xbox is similar in computing power to a modern home PC, NOT the ps3) They only had to spend $5000 on this setup. Did you notice how they could build the fastest computer in the world with a cluster of only 10K ps3's?? That is INSANE. All of the big supercomputing clusters are running a hell of a lot more processors than that! Of course, once you are looking at that many units, they will probably have ibm make some blade servers with two cell processors in each, using the new 65 nano chips... then they would only need... 2,500 of them? Maybe less? That's not even hard to do... I wonder when google will start switching over to cell processors on their big clusters.
Damn, if you don't know anything about computers or math, don't post on a topic about computers or math. Even the latest computers, core2duo can't do the parallel processing of the cell. The x360 is way out of it's league in math processing. You think the university did this just for fun? They needed a cheap supercomputer. Unlike buying the 30-50 core2 machines it would take to equal this processing power, or the similar amount of xbox 360s (30-50 not 8, yes the xbox is similar in computing power to a modern home PC, NOT the ps3) They only had to spend $5000 on this setup. Did you notice how they could build the fastest computer in the world with a cluster of only 10K ps3's?? That is INSANE. All of the big supercomputing clusters are running a hell of a lot more processors than that! Of course, once you are looking at that many units, they will probably have ibm make some blade servers with two cell processors in each, using the new 65 nano chips... then they would only need... 2,500 of them? Maybe less? That's not even hard to do... I wonder when google will start switching over to cell processors on their big clusters.
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Re: PS3Rider (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» Yeh
I agree with msot of what your saying. And is the university is telling the truth about only needing 10,000 PS3's for the worlds fastest computer than thats a bargin. As the Virgin Computer with is the worlds 3rd fastest Super computer costs £320,000,000 whereas 10,000 PS3's would only be £4,000,000. I mean 4 million quid for a supercomputer! And the world fastest!
I agree with msot of what your saying. And is the university is telling the truth about only needing 10,000 PS3's for the worlds fastest computer than thats a bargin. As the Virgin Computer with is the worlds 3rd fastest Super computer costs £320,000,000 whereas 10,000 PS3's would only be £4,000,000. I mean 4 million quid for a supercomputer! And the world fastest!
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Re: Sunnysideup (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» Oh please shut up you ignorant idiot!
"The x360 is way out of it's league in math processing....the similar amount of xbox 360s (30-50 not 8, yes the xbox is similar in computing power to a modern home PC, NOT the ps3) "
You will not need anywhere near that many PCs, but I'm focussing here on the 360.
Although there are issues with Sony's OWN figures, this was how THEY compared the 360 to the PS3 for floating-point power at E3 2005.
http://www.psxextreme.com/scripts/ps3-scrs//scrbig.asp?fileID+414+scrID+4
That's right, look again!!!
http://www.psxextreme.com/scripts/ps3-scrs//scrbig.asp?fileID+414+scrID+4
SO ACCORDING TO SONY, the XBox 360 offers about HALF the floating-point power of Cell. That's 50%. So ACCORDING TO SONY, you would need about TWICE the number of 360s to match the PS3, hence that's 16 at most, not 30-50. With hyperthreading, you'll get about 50% extra performance out of each core on the 360, bringing the number of 360s needed down to about 12.
"The x360 is way out of it's league in math processing....the similar amount of xbox 360s (30-50 not 8, yes the xbox is similar in computing power to a modern home PC, NOT the ps3) "
You will not need anywhere near that many PCs, but I'm focussing here on the 360.
Although there are issues with Sony's OWN figures, this was how THEY compared the 360 to the PS3 for floating-point power at E3 2005.
http://www.psxextreme.com/scripts/ps3-scrs//scrbig.asp?fileID+414+scrID+4
That's right, look again!!!
http://www.psxextreme.com/scripts/ps3-scrs//scrbig.asp?fileID+414+scrID+4
SO ACCORDING TO SONY, the XBox 360 offers about HALF the floating-point power of Cell. That's 50%. So ACCORDING TO SONY, you would need about TWICE the number of 360s to match the PS3, hence that's 16 at most, not 30-50. With hyperthreading, you'll get about 50% extra performance out of each core on the 360, bringing the number of 360s needed down to about 12.
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Re: Sunnysideup (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» Dam QJ for screwing up weblinks.
It always changes certain characters to + in replies, but doesn't do it for new comments, hence see my post below (same post, but correctly displayed links).
It always changes certain characters to + in replies, but doesn't do it for new comments, hence see my post below (same post, but correctly displayed links).
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Re: Mister Common Sense - 2007-03-10 |
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» Listen to how stupid it sounds when I write like the guy who thinks he's insulting me
Wow you only need 10,000 PS3s for the world's fastest computer? Why aren't you buying it now since it's such a bargain? This means the games are really good too. Just don't read the reviews, believe what I say about how awesome motorstorm is.
Yes that 360 must be weak if you need 30-50 XBOX 360s instead of the 9 PS3s to get the same power. I did the testing since I know so much about computers and math. That's how I came up with the ultra accurate 30-50 figure. Wow the cell is in such of a league of it's own, computer manufacturers would have to be stupid to use anything else, and they're not so they're all stupid! Nobody realizes the power of the cell but me. Come on sony, show the nonbelievers what the cell is capable of. Sony? Sony? Hello? ARRRRAAHHHHH
My god you're retarded if you believe this BS.
Wow you only need 10,000 PS3s for the world's fastest computer? Why aren't you buying it now since it's such a bargain? This means the games are really good too. Just don't read the reviews, believe what I say about how awesome motorstorm is.
Yes that 360 must be weak if you need 30-50 XBOX 360s instead of the 9 PS3s to get the same power. I did the testing since I know so much about computers and math. That's how I came up with the ultra accurate 30-50 figure. Wow the cell is in such of a league of it's own, computer manufacturers would have to be stupid to use anything else, and they're not so they're all stupid! Nobody realizes the power of the cell but me. Come on sony, show the nonbelievers what the cell is capable of. Sony? Sony? Hello? ARRRRAAHHHHH
My god you're retarded if you believe this BS.
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Re: CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS - 2007-03-10 |
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» Yeah But Mister Common Sense
"I did the testing since I know so much about computers and math. That's how I came up with the ultra accurate 30-50 figure."
How is not knowing whether its 30 or all the way to 50 anyway accurate? It seems like you need to do more math.
"I did the testing since I know so much about computers and math. That's how I came up with the ultra accurate 30-50 figure."
How is not knowing whether its 30 or all the way to 50 anyway accurate? It seems like you need to do more math.
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Re: skyler (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» lol
to the guy above: noob
to the guy above: noob
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Re: liar (Unregistered) - 2007-03-11 |
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» Hey Mr. Common Sense (Not).
Just answer one question for everyone
Why are people working on PS3 supercomputing clusters and not 360 ones?
Simple answer will do.
Your just too easy when it comes to the obvious.
CELL.
LOL.
Just answer one question for everyone
Why are people working on PS3 supercomputing clusters and not 360 ones?
Simple answer will do.
Your just too easy when it comes to the obvious.
CELL.
LOL.
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Re: Game123 (Unregistered) - 2007-03-11 |
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» Actually
"Why are people working on PS3 supercomputing clusters and not 360 ones?"
How do you know people are not working on 360 supercomputing clusters?
You could have found articles about the use of Cell in clusters of course, but where are all these reports of people using PS3s in clusters before THIS report?
And yes, compare to Xenon, Cell is more powerful for single-precision floating-point calculations (unlike REAL supoercomputers where the enthasist is on double-precision arithmetic), hence it's use here.
Cell was designed to be used for numerous applications, not specifically for the PS3, unlike Xenon which is exclusive to the 360, so it makes sense that it is more likely to be used this way.
"Why are people working on PS3 supercomputing clusters and not 360 ones?"
How do you know people are not working on 360 supercomputing clusters?
You could have found articles about the use of Cell in clusters of course, but where are all these reports of people using PS3s in clusters before THIS report?
And yes, compare to Xenon, Cell is more powerful for single-precision floating-point calculations (unlike REAL supoercomputers where the enthasist is on double-precision arithmetic), hence it's use here.
Cell was designed to be used for numerous applications, not specifically for the PS3, unlike Xenon which is exclusive to the 360, so it makes sense that it is more likely to be used this way.
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Re: liar (Unregistered) - 2007-03-11 |
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» Well Game123
Why aren't you commenting about Mister Common Sense (Not) posts in the PS3 Forum that are always bashing the PS3.
Always seem to support him and attack anyone else that contradicts him...but never have a problem with him despite his constant PS3 bashing. Why is that?
Funny how you always seem to track his conversations and back him up right away.
Now this was about how the PS3 makes a great inexpensive supercomputer cluster and somehow he had to come over onto this PS3 forum and bash the PS3
Glad to see we agree that it does make a great one and the 360 doesn't.
Isn't that what I said?
So why are you responding to me and not him?
Why aren't you commenting about Mister Common Sense (Not) posts in the PS3 Forum that are always bashing the PS3.
Always seem to support him and attack anyone else that contradicts him...but never have a problem with him despite his constant PS3 bashing. Why is that?
Funny how you always seem to track his conversations and back him up right away.
Now this was about how the PS3 makes a great inexpensive supercomputer cluster and somehow he had to come over onto this PS3 forum and bash the PS3
Glad to see we agree that it does make a great one and the 360 doesn't.
Isn't that what I said?
So why are you responding to me and not him?
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Re: Game123 (Unregistered) - 2007-03-11 |
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» Oh what a convenient memory you have.
"Why aren't you commenting about Mister Common Sense (Not) posts in the PS3 Forum that are always bashing the PS3."
Actually I do, but not as Game123. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not registered here, and therefore post under several aliases.
I also seem to recall a discussion with you were although we argued, I certainly told you what I thought of Mister Common Sense. Funny how you forgot that.
"Always seem to support him and attack anyone else that contradicts him..."
Support him? I could only see it as being viewed as support if you're a fanboy yourself, since I never bash the PS3 in my posts (and never have), but instead speak the facts as they are, not as I want them to be.
I also choose who I respond to. Hardcore fanboys with have a reputation on these forums, i.e. MCS, Vietone etc, are the kind I find a waste of time, because they are not interested in discussions, they just want to bash. If you're comparing yourself to these individuals, then fine, I'll treat you the same.
I also have no respect for those who respond to a bash by bashing themselves. The people I respect and have GOOD discussions here are those who can challenge people like MCS without bashing the 360, i.e. without going down to his level. You liar, are not such a person.
"Funny how you always seem to track his conversations and back him up right away."
And now you're being silly. If you want to see a conspiracy theories, go ahead and do so (it's actually quite amusing).
"Glad to see we agree that it does make a great one and the 360 doesn't."
And this is exactly why I respond to posts from people like you. I never said the 360 doesn't make a good 'supercomputer' setup, but as usual, you can't resist your little 360 bash. Hence as I've said already, if you can only respond to bashing with bashing of your own, don't expect me to support you.
"Why aren't you commenting about Mister Common Sense (Not) posts in the PS3 Forum that are always bashing the PS3."
Actually I do, but not as Game123. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not registered here, and therefore post under several aliases.
I also seem to recall a discussion with you were although we argued, I certainly told you what I thought of Mister Common Sense. Funny how you forgot that.
"Always seem to support him and attack anyone else that contradicts him..."
Support him? I could only see it as being viewed as support if you're a fanboy yourself, since I never bash the PS3 in my posts (and never have), but instead speak the facts as they are, not as I want them to be.
I also choose who I respond to. Hardcore fanboys with have a reputation on these forums, i.e. MCS, Vietone etc, are the kind I find a waste of time, because they are not interested in discussions, they just want to bash. If you're comparing yourself to these individuals, then fine, I'll treat you the same.
I also have no respect for those who respond to a bash by bashing themselves. The people I respect and have GOOD discussions here are those who can challenge people like MCS without bashing the 360, i.e. without going down to his level. You liar, are not such a person.
"Funny how you always seem to track his conversations and back him up right away."
And now you're being silly. If you want to see a conspiracy theories, go ahead and do so (it's actually quite amusing).
"Glad to see we agree that it does make a great one and the 360 doesn't."
And this is exactly why I respond to posts from people like you. I never said the 360 doesn't make a good 'supercomputer' setup, but as usual, you can't resist your little 360 bash. Hence as I've said already, if you can only respond to bashing with bashing of your own, don't expect me to support you.
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Re: Unregistered Gamer - 2007-03-12 |
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» Interesting
"Funny how you always seem to track his conversations and back him up right away."
Seems like you chose a name to match your actions liar. Mister Common Sense is one of the a**holes of these forums, just like Vietone and a few others. He frequently posts here but I've never seen someone called Game123 back him up 'all the time' (which is what you're saying).
I read these pages almost every day, but I've never even seen Game123 before (or at least I don't remember), which probably means he's rarely posts here (like me, I read FAR more than I post).
So what happened, you two had an arguement or something?
"Funny how you always seem to track his conversations and back him up right away."
Seems like you chose a name to match your actions liar. Mister Common Sense is one of the a**holes of these forums, just like Vietone and a few others. He frequently posts here but I've never seen someone called Game123 back him up 'all the time' (which is what you're saying).
I read these pages almost every day, but I've never even seen Game123 before (or at least I don't remember), which probably means he's rarely posts here (like me, I read FAR more than I post).
So what happened, you two had an arguement or something?
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Re: liar (Unregistered) - 2007-03-13 |
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» Convenient memory - not really old age and busy life.
"Actually I do, but not as Game123. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not registered here, and therefore post under several aliases."
And I would know that how?
I've posted in response to Mister Common Sense several times followed by Game123 responding to me not him. Seems like a reasonable conclusion.
"I also seem to recall a discussion with you were although we argued, I certainly told you what I thought of Mister Common Sense. Funny how you forgot that."
Actually I did..see Subject.
"Support him?"
See First point.
"I also choose who I respond to. Hardcore fanboys with have a reputation on these forums, i.e. MCS, Vietone etc, are the kind I find a waste of time, because they are not interested in discussions, they just want to bash. If you're comparing yourself to these individuals, then fine, I'll treat you the same"
At want point did I compare myself to them? Who's bashing now?
"I also have no respect for those who respond to a bash by bashing themselves."
See Previous point.
"The people I respect and have GOOD discussions here are those who can challenge people like MCS without bashing the 360,
At want point did I bash the 360 as you like to characterize it? PS3 was designed and built to allow an open platform like Linux to be installed. 360 was built to be a closed proprietary system that wouldn't. I don't need to check. Understanding basic principles saves a lot of leg work. One facilitates exactly what this article was talking about and the other one doesn't. That's why the 360 doesn't make a good supercomputer. Please explain how stating the obvious is bashing the 360?.
" i.e. without going down to his level. You liar, are not such a person."
So I don't actually bash the 360 (ie. a console) - just state the obvious - but you bash me (ie. a person). Who's bashing and going down to what level?
"Funny how you always seem to track his conversations and back him up right away."
See Point 1
" (it's actually quite amusing)."
Bashing? Just couldn't resist your little "liar" bash? See point 1.
"Hence as I've said already, if you can only respond to bashing with bashing of your own,"
See Previous point
" don't expect me to support you. "
Exactly.
And support what exactly?
"Actually I do, but not as Game123. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not registered here, and therefore post under several aliases."
And I would know that how?
I've posted in response to Mister Common Sense several times followed by Game123 responding to me not him. Seems like a reasonable conclusion.
"I also seem to recall a discussion with you were although we argued, I certainly told you what I thought of Mister Common Sense. Funny how you forgot that."
Actually I did..see Subject.
"Support him?"
See First point.
"I also choose who I respond to. Hardcore fanboys with have a reputation on these forums, i.e. MCS, Vietone etc, are the kind I find a waste of time, because they are not interested in discussions, they just want to bash. If you're comparing yourself to these individuals, then fine, I'll treat you the same"
At want point did I compare myself to them? Who's bashing now?
"I also have no respect for those who respond to a bash by bashing themselves."
See Previous point.
"The people I respect and have GOOD discussions here are those who can challenge people like MCS without bashing the 360,
At want point did I bash the 360 as you like to characterize it? PS3 was designed and built to allow an open platform like Linux to be installed. 360 was built to be a closed proprietary system that wouldn't. I don't need to check. Understanding basic principles saves a lot of leg work. One facilitates exactly what this article was talking about and the other one doesn't. That's why the 360 doesn't make a good supercomputer. Please explain how stating the obvious is bashing the 360?.
" i.e. without going down to his level. You liar, are not such a person."
So I don't actually bash the 360 (ie. a console) - just state the obvious - but you bash me (ie. a person). Who's bashing and going down to what level?
"Funny how you always seem to track his conversations and back him up right away."
See Point 1
" (it's actually quite amusing)."
Bashing? Just couldn't resist your little "liar" bash? See point 1.
"Hence as I've said already, if you can only respond to bashing with bashing of your own,"
See Previous point
" don't expect me to support you. "
Exactly.
And support what exactly?
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Re: liar (Unregistered) - 2007-03-13 |
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» Interesting
"Seems like you chose a name to match your actions liar."
I know ironic isn't it.
"Mister Common Sense is one of the a**holes of these forums, just like Vietone and a few others."
Actually they are a bit more than they seem.
" He frequently posts here but I've never seen someone called Game123 back him up 'all the time' (which is what you're saying).
I read these pages almost every day, but I've never even seen Game123 before (or at least I don't remember), which probably means he's rarely posts here (like me, I read FAR more than I post)."
See my Points in previous response (old age and busy life) to Game123. That will make it clearer.
"Seems like you chose a name to match your actions liar."
I know ironic isn't it.
"Mister Common Sense is one of the a**holes of these forums, just like Vietone and a few others."
Actually they are a bit more than they seem.
" He frequently posts here but I've never seen someone called Game123 back him up 'all the time' (which is what you're saying).
I read these pages almost every day, but I've never even seen Game123 before (or at least I don't remember), which probably means he's rarely posts here (like me, I read FAR more than I post)."
See my Points in previous response (old age and busy life) to Game123. That will make it clearer.
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Re: liar (Unregistered) - 2007-03-14 |
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» Like I've been saying..
an open platform that's ideal for supercomputing as well.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id+17786+type+wmv
Looks like you don't need the expense of another pc either. Pretty impressive stuff.
an open platform that's ideal for supercomputing as well.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id+17786+type+wmv
Looks like you don't need the expense of another pc either. Pretty impressive stuff.
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by rolly poly (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» 10K ps3s?
ONLY 10K ps3s?!?!
so this ghetto supercomputer (all clusters are IMO ghetto) would ONLY cost a few million? did you forget ethernet cables (idiots would use wifi), network switches, power outlets, cooling...
ONLY 10K ps3s?!?!
so this ghetto supercomputer (all clusters are IMO ghetto) would ONLY cost a few million? did you forget ethernet cables (idiots would use wifi), network switches, power outlets, cooling...
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by Sunnysideup (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» Oh please shut up you ignorant idiot!
"The x360 is way out of it's league in math processing....the similar amount of xbox 360s (30-50 not 8, yes the xbox is similar in computing power to a modern home PC, NOT the ps3) "
You will not need anywhere near that many PCs, but I'm focussing here on the 360.
Although there are issues with Sony's OWN figures, this was how THEY compared the 360 to the PS3 for floating-point power at E3 2005.
http://www.psxextreme.com/scripts/ps3-scrs/scr.asp?scrID=4
That's right, look again!!!
http://www.psxextreme.com/scripts/ps3-scrs/scr.asp?scrID=4
SO ACCORDING TO SONY, the XBox 360 offers about HALF the floating-point power of Cell. That's 50%. So ACCORDING TO SONY, you would need about TWICE the number of 360s to match the PS3, hence that's 16 at most, not 30-50. With hyperthreading, you'll get about 50% extra performance out of each core on the 360, bringing the number of 360s needed down to about 12.
"The x360 is way out of it's league in math processing....the similar amount of xbox 360s (30-50 not 8, yes the xbox is similar in computing power to a modern home PC, NOT the ps3) "
You will not need anywhere near that many PCs, but I'm focussing here on the 360.
Although there are issues with Sony's OWN figures, this was how THEY compared the 360 to the PS3 for floating-point power at E3 2005.
http://www.psxextreme.com/scripts/ps3-scrs/scr.asp?scrID=4
That's right, look again!!!
http://www.psxextreme.com/scripts/ps3-scrs/scr.asp?scrID=4
SO ACCORDING TO SONY, the XBox 360 offers about HALF the floating-point power of Cell. That's 50%. So ACCORDING TO SONY, you would need about TWICE the number of 360s to match the PS3, hence that's 16 at most, not 30-50. With hyperthreading, you'll get about 50% extra performance out of each core on the 360, bringing the number of 360s needed down to about 12.
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Re: Sunnysideup (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» Note: Look at 013
013 is the screen showing the floating-point performance of the PS3, 360, PC and Emotion Engine.
013 is the screen showing the floating-point performance of the PS3, 360, PC and Emotion Engine.
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Re: Player97 (Unregistered) - 2007-03-11 |
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» Great post, and great link!
Thanks for that link, I hadn't seen those pics from Sony's conference before.
Interesting how the fanboys haven't responded. Not content with the PS3 being a little more powerful than the 360, they have to try to convince themselves that the PS3 is several times more powerful for fp arithmetic. Sony's figures proves this is not the case, and backs up all that we've heard from developers about the PS3 compared to the 360 (better floating-point performance on the PS3, better general code performance on the 360).
Thanks for that link, I hadn't seen those pics from Sony's conference before.
Interesting how the fanboys haven't responded. Not content with the PS3 being a little more powerful than the 360, they have to try to convince themselves that the PS3 is several times more powerful for fp arithmetic. Sony's figures proves this is not the case, and backs up all that we've heard from developers about the PS3 compared to the 360 (better floating-point performance on the PS3, better general code performance on the 360).
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by SuperVegeta - 2007-03-10 |
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» 10000
duh, that's what they've been saying about Folding on the PS3 for ages.
duh, that's what they've been saying about Folding on the PS3 for ages.
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by chief (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» the real question is
how many wii's will it take to create a supercomputer? lmao
how many wii's will it take to create a supercomputer? lmao
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Re: blazeking (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» lmao2
that's a ? I would like to know too.
that's a ? I would like to know too.
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Re: Constantinecy - 2007-03-11 |
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» Reply to my friend chief!!!
By using quantum phisics I estimate somewhere between 2 to 3 lifetime payments and 46 cents just to buy enough wiis to create a compearable cluster...
lol lol lol am just joking but I wouldnt be supprised to read about this joke of mine becoming true...
By using quantum phisics I estimate somewhere between 2 to 3 lifetime payments and 46 cents just to buy enough wiis to create a compearable cluster...
lol lol lol am just joking but I wouldnt be supprised to read about this joke of mine becoming true...
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Re: hahah (Unregistered) - 2007-03-11 |
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» hahahh
lolololololololol
lolololololololol
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by The Angel of Disgrace (Unregistered) - 2007-03-10 |
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» cool
the reason why you need less ps3's is because the cell cpu can handle many more processes than a standard dual core cpu.. it has 7 SPEs for god's sake... the actual cell has 8 SPEs, but sony only uses 7 out of the 8... 6 are accessible for develepers while the last one is for the OS... but still... the cell is the future of processing power... i'm a proud owner of a ps3 and i support Sony and IBM... Sony because the playstation family kicks ass and IBM for the Cell microprocessor... just think how much power 10K ps3s could do... yea PCs are cool, but once again even a Core 2 Duo processor can't handle the processing strain.... also the 360 runs on a triple core processor, so don't get your hopes up... when you compare the cell and the xenon, the cell overpowers it... the cell, once again, has 7 cores, each clocked at 3.2Ghz , while the xenon has 3 core clocked at 3.2Ghz... so both are clocked at 3.2Ghz, but the cell has more cores... so the ps3 can process more data than a 360... so i'd say you need about 2.3 times more 360s to make a supercomputer of equal power to the ps3 supercomputer... that's roughly 23,000 360s... so yea... now for the supercomputer professor Mueller made, you'd need about 19 360s... now if you do the math on how much each system would cost, for the ps3 (20 gig) it would be 500X8=$4,000... now for a 360 (core system) that's 300X19=$5,700... so making a ps3-based supercomputer is much cheaper... plus it takes less systems... and once again the only downside is the 512mb RAM restriction, but they could find a way to upgrade it...
the reason why you need less ps3's is because the cell cpu can handle many more processes than a standard dual core cpu.. it has 7 SPEs for god's sake... the actual cell has 8 SPEs, but sony only uses 7 out of the 8... 6 are accessible for develepers while the last one is for the OS... but still... the cell is the future of processing power... i'm a proud owner of a ps3 and i support Sony and IBM... Sony because the playstation family kicks ass and IBM for the Cell microprocessor... just think how much power 10K ps3s could do... yea PCs are cool, but once again even a Core 2 Duo processor can't handle the processing strain.... also the 360 runs on a triple core processor, so don't get your hopes up... when you compare the cell and the xenon, the cell overpowers it... the cell, once again, has 7 cores, each clocked at 3.2Ghz , while the xenon has 3 core clocked at 3.2Ghz... so both are clocked at 3.2Ghz, but the cell has more cores... so the ps3 can process more data than a 360... so i'd say you need about 2.3 times more 360s to make a supercomputer of equal power to the ps3 supercomputer... that's roughly 23,000 360s... so yea... now for the supercomputer professor Mueller made, you'd need about 19 360s... now if you do the math on how much each system would cost, for the ps3 (20 gig) it would be 500X8=$4,000... now for a 360 (core system) that's 300X19=$5,700... so making a ps3-based supercomputer is much cheaper... plus it takes less systems... and once again the only downside is the 512mb RAM restriction, but they could find a way to upgrade it...
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Re: Player97 (Unregistered) - 2007-03-11 |
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» You're a bit off there
"so i'd say you need about 2.3 times more 360s to make a supercomputer of equal power to the ps3 supercomputer..."
You're calculating 7/3, but as you correctly pointed out earlier, one of the SPEs are permanently reserved for the OS, so it's inaccessable to devs, meaning it's 6 SPEs not 7 SPEs available, therefore you'll need twice as many 360s (6/3), not 2.3 times as many (7/3).
"so i'd say you need about 2.3 times more 360s to make a supercomputer of equal power to the ps3 supercomputer..."
You're calculating 7/3, but as you correctly pointed out earlier, one of the SPEs are permanently reserved for the OS, so it's inaccessable to devs, meaning it's 6 SPEs not 7 SPEs available, therefore you'll need twice as many 360s (6/3), not 2.3 times as many (7/3).
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by A FAN (Unregistered) - 2007-03-11 |
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» www.freewebs.com/pspfreefiles
Is the PS3 or xbox 360 better
vote on my website
Is the PS3 or xbox 360 better
vote on my website
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by Mr Common Sense is a Damn Fool (Unregistered) - 2007-03-11 |
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» wow, idiots!
Ok, mr no common sense and sunnysideup. Neither of you made a good argument as an xbox fanboy as I expected. Sunnysideup... WRONG WRONG WRONG. When you figure in the delays in processing time in splitting up the work, the xbox at half the FPCs is barely capable of 1/6 the actual workload. Sorry, but you have no damn clue, so why do you act like you do. Just because one machine can do half the FPCs, we are talking about clusters here, and supercomputing... Not playing a FPS on that piece of crap.
So 10,000 PS3s doing a divided workload would be = to 50-60K xbox 360s... Suck on it for a little while.. You don't even know how hyperthreading works, do you?
Mr fool... WTF are you here for? Motorstorm is great. Where is a bad review?? Worst I saw was a 7.9 ... That's a damn 8 out of 10... What games on your shi t system are rated an 8-10... 6 games?? Are you kidding. Out of 130+ games?? Go the hell home. You have no friends.
Ok, mr no common sense and sunnysideup. Neither of you made a good argument as an xbox fanboy as I expected. Sunnysideup... WRONG WRONG WRONG. When you figure in the delays in processing time in splitting up the work, the xbox at half the FPCs is barely capable of 1/6 the actual workload. Sorry, but you have no damn clue, so why do you act like you do. Just because one machine can do half the FPCs, we are talking about clusters here, and supercomputing... Not playing a FPS on that piece of crap.
So 10,000 PS3s doing a divided workload would be = to 50-60K xbox 360s... Suck on it for a little while.. You don't even know how hyperthreading works, do you?
Mr fool... WTF are you here for? Motorstorm is great. Where is a bad review?? Worst I saw was a 7.9 ... That's a damn 8 out of 10... What games on your shi t system are rated an 8-10... 6 games?? Are you kidding. Out of 130+ games?? Go the hell home. You have no friends.
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Re: Sunnysideup (Unregistered) - 2007-03-11 |
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» LOL! Kids
"Sunnysideup... WRONG WRONG WRONG. When you figure in the delays in processing time in splitting up the work, the xbox at half the FPCs is barely capable of 1/6 the actual workload."
LOL! Give it up kid. Pulling numbers out of your a** does not make a valid arguement. Go provide links to back up your absurd claims. What was that? You can't? Of course not, because you are completely clueless and think making up numbers equals the truth.
You can be no more than 14 or 15 years old. If you are older, then shame on you! :D
Still, I look forward to your reply, since it's always funny to watch the ignorant trying to look clever.
"You don't even know how hyperthreading works, do you?"
Of course I do, so why don't YOU go on to explain it to everybody here kid, I'm sure we are all interested in your knowledge on the subject. In particular, do explain some of the pros and cons of hyperthreading, and do explain it in context of the Cell processor and Xenon.
Although this was not addressed to me, I'll answer anywway;
"Go the hell home. You have no friends".
You should take your own advice kid. :P
"Sunnysideup... WRONG WRONG WRONG. When you figure in the delays in processing time in splitting up the work, the xbox at half the FPCs is barely capable of 1/6 the actual workload."
LOL! Give it up kid. Pulling numbers out of your a** does not make a valid arguement. Go provide links to back up your absurd claims. What was that? You can't? Of course not, because you are completely clueless and think making up numbers equals the truth.
You can be no more than 14 or 15 years old. If you are older, then shame on you! :D
Still, I look forward to your reply, since it's always funny to watch the ignorant trying to look clever.
"You don't even know how hyperthreading works, do you?"
Of course I do, so why don't YOU go on to explain it to everybody here kid, I'm sure we are all interested in your knowledge on the subject. In particular, do explain some of the pros and cons of hyperthreading, and do explain it in context of the Cell processor and Xenon.
Although this was not addressed to me, I'll answer anywway;
"Go the hell home. You have no friends".
You should take your own advice kid. :P