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by j (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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0000000001 im homo
0000000001 im homo
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by mac_24_seven (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» The above poster is gay
man.. I was sooooooooooo close to being #1
#2 will have to do I guess
man.. I was sooooooooooo close to being #1
#2 will have to do I guess
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by Sounds Good (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» n/t
Sounds Good to Me the Homo part and the Bill
Sounds Good to Me the Homo part and the Bill
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by Koru-Kun - 2007-04-10 |
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» quote
the QJ writer said, "And what if a violent game's characters are all aliens or animals"
my answer is, "This bill is for these sorts of violence against HUMANS ONLY"
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violent acts that are heinous, atrocious, and/or cruel:
torture, killing sprees, et cetera....
take note that the bill specifically points out "serious" injury and only games that are exceedingly presented with violence in the manner of "heinous, atrocious or [cruelty]"... meaning games like Medal of Honor and such to be left alone, but games like Manhunt and Grand Theft Auto are what this bill goes after.
This bill isn't as "vague" as this QJ writer thinks it is, it's more solid and direct than many of the other bills that have tried to pass against violence in video games and it doesn't empower the gov't to deny a sale to a minor, note that the bill even reminds us at the last sentence of the bill:
"But if a parent or guardian is present or gave consent, a child under 18 can buy a violent game."
That is the child themselves can purchase the game if their parent or guardian is present and is approving the sale to the minor. This is a good bill compared to the REALLY vague ones like that stupid "games as porn" bill that tried to pass... I'd vote for it
the QJ writer said, "And what if a violent game's characters are all aliens or animals"
my answer is, "This bill is for these sorts of violence against HUMANS ONLY"
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violent acts that are heinous, atrocious, and/or cruel:
torture, killing sprees, et cetera....
take note that the bill specifically points out "serious" injury and only games that are exceedingly presented with violence in the manner of "heinous, atrocious or [cruelty]"... meaning games like Medal of Honor and such to be left alone, but games like Manhunt and Grand Theft Auto are what this bill goes after.
This bill isn't as "vague" as this QJ writer thinks it is, it's more solid and direct than many of the other bills that have tried to pass against violence in video games and it doesn't empower the gov't to deny a sale to a minor, note that the bill even reminds us at the last sentence of the bill:
"But if a parent or guardian is present or gave consent, a child under 18 can buy a violent game."
That is the child themselves can purchase the game if their parent or guardian is present and is approving the sale to the minor. This is a good bill compared to the REALLY vague ones like that stupid "games as porn" bill that tried to pass... I'd vote for it
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Re: D.Vader (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» We don't need more laws!
We don't need more laws! We need parents to act as such. No amount of legislation will save every child if the parent doesn't care to begin with.
Let's focus on keeping kids out of gangs and off drugs, away from REAL VIOLENCE. How about some laws out there that help create better families? If kids had a parent at home much of this wouldn't be an issue.
The fact of the matter is that any child can walk into a public library and get about the same exposure to violence in the pages of fine literature.
We don't need more laws! We need parents to act as such. No amount of legislation will save every child if the parent doesn't care to begin with.
Let's focus on keeping kids out of gangs and off drugs, away from REAL VIOLENCE. How about some laws out there that help create better families? If kids had a parent at home much of this wouldn't be an issue.
The fact of the matter is that any child can walk into a public library and get about the same exposure to violence in the pages of fine literature.
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Re: . (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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The biggest problem with this brand of unconstitutional legislation aimed at video games is the fact that it absolutely brings us one step closer to the outright banning of all violent video games, something I believe we may see in our lifetimes as a result of video games being marginalized and misunderstood by those in power.
WARNING: This kind of crap is an extremely slippery slope.
The biggest problem with this brand of unconstitutional legislation aimed at video games is the fact that it absolutely brings us one step closer to the outright banning of all violent video games, something I believe we may see in our lifetimes as a result of video games being marginalized and misunderstood by those in power.
WARNING: This kind of crap is an extremely slippery slope.
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by darkpikachu02 (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» Law
This law just enforces what my local Gamestop Manager has been doing for 6 years now because 75% of the profits at his store are from school aged kids who walk or ride bikes to his store to buy games because the kids parents don't have the time to drive them and he also has a "Only 2 unaccompanied minors at a time are allowed in the store" policy. He has it printed on a piece of paper and taped on the front door window.
This law just enforces what my local Gamestop Manager has been doing for 6 years now because 75% of the profits at his store are from school aged kids who walk or ride bikes to his store to buy games because the kids parents don't have the time to drive them and he also has a "Only 2 unaccompanied minors at a time are allowed in the store" policy. He has it printed on a piece of paper and taped on the front door window.
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by D.Vader (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» What is wrong with people?
I can't stand the way lawmakers, lobbyist and lawyers all seem to be so worked about FAKE violence while streets across the country bear bloodshed.
This is a huge lack of priorities. It would be nice if they would actually put criminals in jail and make them stay there. It would be nice if everyone across the country had the ability to protect themselves (in a legal fashion) with fire arms.
I see this kind of thing as a diversion.
Example - Lawmakers don't feel they have the resources to deal with REAL violence, so in order for them to maintain power they have to get something done, so why not pick on Video Games. Games are protected under the first amendment, so it's not like they are going to do anything to change the content. In the mean time they can grab headlines and look holier-then-thou.
Why doesn't the government just take our children at birth and raise them the way they should be raised. Why does the government even have a hand in what your child sees or doesn't see.
It's not the governments job. More liberal politics for you.
I can't stand the way lawmakers, lobbyist and lawyers all seem to be so worked about FAKE violence while streets across the country bear bloodshed.
This is a huge lack of priorities. It would be nice if they would actually put criminals in jail and make them stay there. It would be nice if everyone across the country had the ability to protect themselves (in a legal fashion) with fire arms.
I see this kind of thing as a diversion.
Example - Lawmakers don't feel they have the resources to deal with REAL violence, so in order for them to maintain power they have to get something done, so why not pick on Video Games. Games are protected under the first amendment, so it's not like they are going to do anything to change the content. In the mean time they can grab headlines and look holier-then-thou.
Why doesn't the government just take our children at birth and raise them the way they should be raised. Why does the government even have a hand in what your child sees or doesn't see.
It's not the governments job. More liberal politics for you.
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Re: CRW (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» Yeah
True that
True that
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by TrackSol (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» Parent Responsibility
What they should have done is used the Game Ratings Label MA 18+ instead of the vague verbage: "a video game depicting serious injury to human beings in a manner that is especially heinous, atrocious or cruel."
The systems are in place already, the local and federal governments just need to enforce them and hold the retailers accountable. It's the same thing as a kid buying cigarettes. But since it is, kids can get their older friends or other adult to buy the game for them, so ultimately it comes down to parents knowing and monitoring what their own children are into.
What they should have done is used the Game Ratings Label MA 18+ instead of the vague verbage: "a video game depicting serious injury to human beings in a manner that is especially heinous, atrocious or cruel."
The systems are in place already, the local and federal governments just need to enforce them and hold the retailers accountable. It's the same thing as a kid buying cigarettes. But since it is, kids can get their older friends or other adult to buy the game for them, so ultimately it comes down to parents knowing and monitoring what their own children are into.
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by Demonsweat (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» Not as bad as it seems
I think this could actually be a good thing. The ESRB exists only to suggest what's appropriate for whatever age groups. It's not bound by law that retailers follow the ratings.
But if it was made a real law, it would put the games industry on the same level as the movie industry, and would therefore leave VERY LITTLE legal ground for lunatics like Jack Thompson to campaign against violent games. This law could give those games a legal leg to stand on and validate game producers' rights to artistic expression.
I think this could actually be a good thing. The ESRB exists only to suggest what's appropriate for whatever age groups. It's not bound by law that retailers follow the ratings.
But if it was made a real law, it would put the games industry on the same level as the movie industry, and would therefore leave VERY LITTLE legal ground for lunatics like Jack Thompson to campaign against violent games. This law could give those games a legal leg to stand on and validate game producers' rights to artistic expression.
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Re: D.Vader (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» Jack Thompson can lick my ass.
The problem is that there are actually courts out there that give a ***** what Jack T says. He should be kicked out of every courtroom before the trails begin. He is only shaking companies down which I find appalling.
Retailers and people who sell movie tickets don't need to parent my kids. I do not have children, but if I tell them they can't play a game because of X, Y and Z, and I find out they do play or own that game I can guarantee you I will put the fear of god in the child.
Are we really living in a day and age where we have to turn the government and retailers (who are just trying to make an honest buck) into parents?
Are we really going to hold Jimmy a 15 year old Game Stop clerk responsible for our children's well being?
Wake up Mind Numbed Masses!!! Try going to a PTA meeting or getting involved with your children. I don't want all of my rights eroded away just because a few *****ty parents didn't want to be bothered with the actual business of parenting. Stop being PALS and GIRLFRIENDS with your kids. Be a parent say no, hell slap your kid in the face if they cuss. DO SOMETHING.
The problem is that there are actually courts out there that give a ***** what Jack T says. He should be kicked out of every courtroom before the trails begin. He is only shaking companies down which I find appalling.
Retailers and people who sell movie tickets don't need to parent my kids. I do not have children, but if I tell them they can't play a game because of X, Y and Z, and I find out they do play or own that game I can guarantee you I will put the fear of god in the child.
Are we really living in a day and age where we have to turn the government and retailers (who are just trying to make an honest buck) into parents?
Are we really going to hold Jimmy a 15 year old Game Stop clerk responsible for our children's well being?
Wake up Mind Numbed Masses!!! Try going to a PTA meeting or getting involved with your children. I don't want all of my rights eroded away just because a few *****ty parents didn't want to be bothered with the actual business of parenting. Stop being PALS and GIRLFRIENDS with your kids. Be a parent say no, hell slap your kid in the face if they cuss. DO SOMETHING.
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by neok182 - 2007-04-10 |
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okay aparently lawmakers in oregon are stupid. let me say a few things.
M rating: CAN NOT BE SOLD TO ANYONE UNDER THE AGE OF 17 WITHOUT PARENT OR GUARDIAN PRESENT.
so what the ***** extra will this do? and as for punishment. if you work for Gamestop/EbGames or Best buy which pretty much are about 75% of all games sold. you get fired if you sell an M game to someone under the age of 17. just flat out fired. you dont get any chance to talk, it's just take care now and get out of the store.
okay aparently lawmakers in oregon are stupid. let me say a few things.
M rating: CAN NOT BE SOLD TO ANYONE UNDER THE AGE OF 17 WITHOUT PARENT OR GUARDIAN PRESENT.
so what the ***** extra will this do? and as for punishment. if you work for Gamestop/EbGames or Best buy which pretty much are about 75% of all games sold. you get fired if you sell an M game to someone under the age of 17. just flat out fired. you dont get any chance to talk, it's just take care now and get out of the store.
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Re: Demonsweat (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» What it will do
What extra will it do? It will take away Jack Thompson's main argument against violent games: that kids shouldn't be able to play them.
Making it a law could give game producers as much creative freedom as movie producers and be just as safe from prosecution no matter how violent.
What extra will it do? It will take away Jack Thompson's main argument against violent games: that kids shouldn't be able to play them.
Making it a law could give game producers as much creative freedom as movie producers and be just as safe from prosecution no matter how violent.
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by Illegal Machine - 2007-04-10 |
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» Ultra-Violence?
Isn't that phrase STRAIGHT out of a Clockwork Orange?
Let's pop on down to the Moloko Milk bar, for some synthimesc before a little of the old in-out-in-out, me Droogies
Isn't that phrase STRAIGHT out of a Clockwork Orange?
Let's pop on down to the Moloko Milk bar, for some synthimesc before a little of the old in-out-in-out, me Droogies
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by Illegal Machine (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» wtf...
Im logged in as Illegal Machine. WTF?
Im logged in as Illegal Machine. WTF?
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by Bob (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» We have this ...
We have this system in the UK, our games (if they require a rating) can either be 15 or 18 - games like ManHunt and GTA are 18 rated and more 'other-worldly' titles such as Resistance are usually 15 rated. - this is the same system as we have for our films and retailers will refuse to serve you or ask to see some iD if they're in doubt. To be honest this system works relatively well - parents can get a pretty good idea for the content of the game as it uses the same labling systems as films.
i think this is a good idea, if your too young to play a game then you shouldnt be allowed to buy it - common sense.
We have this system in the UK, our games (if they require a rating) can either be 15 or 18 - games like ManHunt and GTA are 18 rated and more 'other-worldly' titles such as Resistance are usually 15 rated. - this is the same system as we have for our films and retailers will refuse to serve you or ask to see some iD if they're in doubt. To be honest this system works relatively well - parents can get a pretty good idea for the content of the game as it uses the same labling systems as films.
i think this is a good idea, if your too young to play a game then you shouldnt be allowed to buy it - common sense.
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by G.C (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» ..
I Think That Mans A Bit Of A Berk
I Think That Mans A Bit Of A Berk
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by darkpikachu02 (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» Maryland Video Game Lae
Here is a link to a bill that was passed in my home state of Maryland last year:
http://mlis.state.md.us/2006rs/billfile/HB0707.htm
This bill was supported by the ESA.
Ben
Here is a link to a bill that was passed in my home state of Maryland last year:
http://mlis.state.md.us/2006rs/billfile/HB0707.htm
This bill was supported by the ESA.
Ben
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Re: D.Vader (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» Communist Occupied Maryland
Yeah our state delagation is great. Dumbass OMalley dipped into the Reserve funds and delayed the Inter-County-Connector. Thanks Douchebag!
Yeah our state delagation is great. Dumbass OMalley dipped into the Reserve funds and delayed the Inter-County-Connector. Thanks Douchebag!
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by Dogan (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» Duh
It's a good thing, won't prevent all of it or those that are persistent but it will at least create a point of parental involvement where the ultimate decision about your child's entertainment is made by the Parent and not the mass marketed child.
As for the "Slippery Slope", I had a laugh at your sensationalism. The ESRB is a non-profit self-regulatory group independent of the law making government. It's not a federal, state, county, or city agency determining what the games are rated. What you are seeing here is in fact a State using that boards recommendation to propose it's own laws limiting the sale of M rated games to Minors. That is how this whole representative democracy thing is supposed to work? Heck you don't even know if it will pass thats up to the people of the state to decide whether they accept to live with this.
As for the "Liberal Politics". . . there's are many flavors of politics, but I have a feeling this falls under the "pointless laws that make it seem like I'm a good guy and that I do good things for the community, but only so I can keep my good job" type.. Not necessarily "Liberal" just plain old politics.
This shouldn't have to be a law, but then we don't determine who gets to have kids either.
Dogan
Besides, marketing is the real evil.
It's a good thing, won't prevent all of it or those that are persistent but it will at least create a point of parental involvement where the ultimate decision about your child's entertainment is made by the Parent and not the mass marketed child.
As for the "Slippery Slope", I had a laugh at your sensationalism. The ESRB is a non-profit self-regulatory group independent of the law making government. It's not a federal, state, county, or city agency determining what the games are rated. What you are seeing here is in fact a State using that boards recommendation to propose it's own laws limiting the sale of M rated games to Minors. That is how this whole representative democracy thing is supposed to work? Heck you don't even know if it will pass thats up to the people of the state to decide whether they accept to live with this.
As for the "Liberal Politics". . . there's are many flavors of politics, but I have a feeling this falls under the "pointless laws that make it seem like I'm a good guy and that I do good things for the community, but only so I can keep my good job" type.. Not necessarily "Liberal" just plain old politics.
This shouldn't have to be a law, but then we don't determine who gets to have kids either.
Dogan
Besides, marketing is the real evil.
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by Takao (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» Ugh.
Thats why I hate living in Oregon, just so many things wrong with our bills, they need to think these things out more clearly before jumping straight into a silly solution.
Thats why I hate living in Oregon, just so many things wrong with our bills, they need to think these things out more clearly before jumping straight into a silly solution.
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by darkpikachu02 (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» Blog
I have a blog on the U.S. Government and the special interests if anybody wants a link to it. The last post was about drug companies and their unchecked profits under the Republican passed Medicare Prescription Drug Plan, a.k.a. Medicare Part D. It also has a post about Ehrlich playing golf with lobbyists from BGE and its parent company, Constellation Energy. I am also a Hillary Clinton Supporter.
Ben
I have a blog on the U.S. Government and the special interests if anybody wants a link to it. The last post was about drug companies and their unchecked profits under the Republican passed Medicare Prescription Drug Plan, a.k.a. Medicare Part D. It also has a post about Ehrlich playing golf with lobbyists from BGE and its parent company, Constellation Energy. I am also a Hillary Clinton Supporter.
Ben
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by Falcon (Unregistered) - 2007-04-10 |
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» ugh.
The people making these bills are too old to understand just what they are talking about, and the bills are always too vague to do anything. One persons image of ultra violence may be a slap on the wrist and the others might be someones brains flying into a wall with skull chunks and 2 eyeballs hanging out of the half destroyed skull.
The people making these bills are too old to understand just what they are talking about, and the bills are always too vague to do anything. One persons image of ultra violence may be a slap on the wrist and the others might be someones brains flying into a wall with skull chunks and 2 eyeballs hanging out of the half destroyed skull.
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by jayson (Unregistered) - 2007-04-12 |
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» hmm
wait so when a child is allowed to watch porn wid a Mature rating it is d parents fault but when they are allowed to play a mature game , its the developers fault ?
if you ban violent games , you have to ban porn and everything bad. it is up to the parents , like dah granmother that buy gta that has a mature rating den complaining cause it got it too much cussin and bloood .. thats llike buying coffeee and complaining dat it got in caffeine ..makes no sense
wait so when a child is allowed to watch porn wid a Mature rating it is d parents fault but when they are allowed to play a mature game , its the developers fault ?
if you ban violent games , you have to ban porn and everything bad. it is up to the parents , like dah granmother that buy gta that has a mature rating den complaining cause it got it too much cussin and bloood .. thats llike buying coffeee and complaining dat it got in caffeine ..makes no sense
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