Posted Jul 07, 2007 at 05:24PM by Nicolo S.
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by Damo (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» ha
I really like quantum dream now. Just because they dont compromise for multiplat. Not just the ps3 loyalty, just becuase they dont money grub by trying to get their games everywhere.
I really like quantum dream now. Just because they dont compromise for multiplat. Not just the ps3 loyalty, just becuase they dont money grub by trying to get their games everywhere.
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Re: me (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» :)
There's no reason they can't port to the 360 or Wii, just down grade that version instead of downgrading the entire line.
There's no reason they can't port to the 360 or Wii, just down grade that version instead of downgrading the entire line.
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Re: Awais (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» ps3
ps3 is the best and beats the xbox with better graphic and free online playing. Besides in the future BLURAYS DISKS WILL BE USED MORE AND HD-DVD WILL BE GONE
ps3 is the best and beats the xbox with better graphic and free online playing. Besides in the future BLURAYS DISKS WILL BE USED MORE AND HD-DVD WILL BE GONE
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Re: nllx - 2007-07-08 |
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» .
Pretty hilarious reading all the PS3 fanboy comments. Doesn't matter if the PS3 is the strongest, if it has barely to no games, it sucks in the end.
You kids should now that after last-gen with PS2 being the weakest.
Sad, sad fanboys that don't know sh*t.
Pretty hilarious reading all the PS3 fanboy comments. Doesn't matter if the PS3 is the strongest, if it has barely to no games, it sucks in the end.
You kids should now that after last-gen with PS2 being the weakest.
Sad, sad fanboys that don't know sh*t.
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Re: Shatterdome - 2007-07-08 |
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» Porting is ALWAYS possible..
What they are saying is they don't want to even think about 360, and just focus completely on PS3.
This is what both systems need...and really I want to see what comes up for PS3 only games in the future.
Lair, HS and drakes are still nothing mind blowing...so hopefully next year with this and MGS perhaps we will see "twice the power"
Just have to wait...but that's what Sony needs, because as soon as I see some stuff that can't be done on 360...i'll pick one up.
What they are saying is they don't want to even think about 360, and just focus completely on PS3.
This is what both systems need...and really I want to see what comes up for PS3 only games in the future.
Lair, HS and drakes are still nothing mind blowing...so hopefully next year with this and MGS perhaps we will see "twice the power"
Just have to wait...but that's what Sony needs, because as soon as I see some stuff that can't be done on 360...i'll pick one up.
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Re: Mister Common Sense - 2007-07-09 |
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» lol
Yeah the 3D0 was more powerful than the PS1 too. It had a better GPU and double the RAM. Uh oh, no games and a high price killed it.
Deja vu?
Yeah the 3D0 was more powerful than the PS1 too. It had a better GPU and double the RAM. Uh oh, no games and a high price killed it.
Deja vu?
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by Hunter (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» ps3s processor ram rasio sucks
ps3 sucks its onley got 512 ram so it cant even produce better graphics then xbox360 witch has 512 of united ram.
That girls cute ^_^.
ps3 sucks its onley got 512 ram so it cant even produce better graphics then xbox360 witch has 512 of united ram.
That girls cute ^_^.
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Re: Vincent (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» umm
what?... PS3 has XDR ram (256) which is like top of the line. XDR is used in medical equipment. An MRI uses about 124mb of XDR ram, so 256 of XDR ram in the ps3 is alot more than people can use. MRI machines are real time X-rays that scan the brain which require alot of work. Also RAM doesnt + graphics.... Graphics is mainly the processor and GPU.
what?... PS3 has XDR ram (256) which is like top of the line. XDR is used in medical equipment. An MRI uses about 124mb of XDR ram, so 256 of XDR ram in the ps3 is alot more than people can use. MRI machines are real time X-rays that scan the brain which require alot of work. Also RAM doesnt + graphics.... Graphics is mainly the processor and GPU.
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Re: lol (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» lol
the PS3 ROCKS the 360 Sux
the PS3 ROCKS the 360 Sux
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Re: Primus (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» awww
Don't get upset just because your 360 broke down again, atleast now Micro$oft will pay to fix it.
Don't get upset just because your 360 broke down again, atleast now Micro$oft will pay to fix it.
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Re: hgh (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» uncharted is only using 30% of the ps3s power
The guy who made the game(with naughty dog) said this on tv in a interview. And EA said they were only using 20% of its power which is why that crap runs at 30fps. I have a 360 right now but I have been studying alot of what the ps3 is doing and I might buy one next year or this summer if the price drops. Other than that because it has no games im not buying one.
The guy who made the game(with naughty dog) said this on tv in a interview. And EA said they were only using 20% of its power which is why that crap runs at 30fps. I have a 360 right now but I have been studying alot of what the ps3 is doing and I might buy one next year or this summer if the price drops. Other than that because it has no games im not buying one.
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Re: Stealth (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» i dont get it...
How can you xbox fanboys come in here find an article that says something good for sony ps3. And then proceed to say sony sucks.
Its people like you that causes this flame war of consoles. Cant you guys just accept that a great game will be released, for the ps3. Man i just dont get it.
How can you xbox fanboys come in here find an article that says something good for sony ps3. And then proceed to say sony sucks.
Its people like you that causes this flame war of consoles. Cant you guys just accept that a great game will be released, for the ps3. Man i just dont get it.
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by Chuck Norris - 2007-07-07 |
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» and again!
Everyone knows the PS3 is the most powerfull, why can't people accept that?
Everyone knows the PS3 is the most powerfull, why can't people accept that?
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Re: SomeGamer (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» True
Yes the PS3 is the most powerful system, i agree with that even though it is my least favorite system ever. I just think that you are paying for power that will never be used. There is no point to it. Sony could make it a bit less powerful and lower the price a lot.
Yes the PS3 is the most powerful system, i agree with that even though it is my least favorite system ever. I just think that you are paying for power that will never be used. There is no point to it. Sony could make it a bit less powerful and lower the price a lot.
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Re: another gamer (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» true...but
If you had the choice to ride a moped or drive a Porsche which would you choose?
If you had the choice to ride a moped or drive a Porsche which would you choose?
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Re: SomeGamer (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» Different
That is different, Porsche's are a very popular car, the PS3 is not very popular as nobody is buying it right now (my local bestbuy doesn't sell out of them even though they are currently $100 off).
That is different, Porsche's are a very popular car, the PS3 is not very popular as nobody is buying it right now (my local bestbuy doesn't sell out of them even though they are currently $100 off).
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Re: Black Belt Jones (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» Sure Thing...
Most Powerful system with no games to go with it. How cute!
Most Powerful system with no games to go with it. How cute!
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Re: mentalboy11 (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» hey
just because more fords are sold than BMWs doesnt mean its better.
just because more fords are sold than BMWs doesnt mean its better.
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Re: yo (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» hah
xbox 360 is like a suited up car without the engine, whats the use
xbox 360 is like a suited up car without the engine, whats the use
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Re: sorry what? (Unregistered) - 2007-07-17 |
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» r u on drugs?
the ps3 isnt more powerful its a totally different machine. Its just better at doin what dream want. The 360 GPU is twice the size of the ps3 and its BW is HUUUUUGE compared to that of the ps3. Ps3 is very good at cinematics and on the fly computations/algorithms. Like in max when u create particle effects and randomly generating objects etc. 360 can handle othe stuff like physics better. its not better just different. Maybe if their were many devs flocking to the ps3 like there are the 360 id believe this.
the ps3 isnt more powerful its a totally different machine. Its just better at doin what dream want. The 360 GPU is twice the size of the ps3 and its BW is HUUUUUGE compared to that of the ps3. Ps3 is very good at cinematics and on the fly computations/algorithms. Like in max when u create particle effects and randomly generating objects etc. 360 can handle othe stuff like physics better. its not better just different. Maybe if their were many devs flocking to the ps3 like there are the 360 id believe this.
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by Morbidly - 2007-07-07 |
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» HA
Of course, the ambitious title with much promise can only be achieved using PS3's full potential
b.i.t.c.h.e.s.
Of course, the ambitious title with much promise can only be achieved using PS3's full potential
b.i.t.c.h.e.s.
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by CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS - 2007-07-07 |
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» Price Drop
I checked next week sales ads that came in my local news paper today and so far Circuit City, Best Buy and Target do not show a price drop for the PS3. Maybe the following week.
I checked next week sales ads that came in my local news paper today and so far Circuit City, Best Buy and Target do not show a price drop for the PS3. Maybe the following week.
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by . (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» What
The PS3 aint got no damn games
The PS3 aint got no damn games
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Re: stupid (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» boy
That's a double negative boy. I suggest you improve on your grammar.
And incase your blind, the PS3 DOES have games, This is just the beginning for Sony to shove their mighty foot into Microsoft's ASS. End of story.
That's a double negative boy. I suggest you improve on your grammar.
And incase your blind, the PS3 DOES have games, This is just the beginning for Sony to shove their mighty foot into Microsoft's ASS. End of story.
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Re: blazeking (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» ^
That's a double negative boy. I suggest you improve on your grammar.
And incase your blind, the PS3 DOES have games, This is just the beginning for Sony to shove their mighty foot into Microsoft's ASS. End of story.
That actulally made me laugh hard as hell too.
Playstation has been around a lot longer than Xbox, wouldn't you think they knew the game better? It's just pure logic. Of course Wii and PS3 will be on top.
I love the Xbox too, but started hating it because of the zombies it creates. That's what makes the system so undesirable.
If only people could understand that MS has better software, PS3 has better hardware. If only the companies could combine to produce on hell of a beast... Remember nintendo and sony's first: SNES (Super Famicom) Play Station? Yes, WITH a space....
That's a double negative boy. I suggest you improve on your grammar.
And incase your blind, the PS3 DOES have games, This is just the beginning for Sony to shove their mighty foot into Microsoft's ASS. End of story.
That actulally made me laugh hard as hell too.
Playstation has been around a lot longer than Xbox, wouldn't you think they knew the game better? It's just pure logic. Of course Wii and PS3 will be on top.
I love the Xbox too, but started hating it because of the zombies it creates. That's what makes the system so undesirable.
If only people could understand that MS has better software, PS3 has better hardware. If only the companies could combine to produce on hell of a beast... Remember nintendo and sony's first: SNES (Super Famicom) Play Station? Yes, WITH a space....
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Re: SWANN (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» Pride!!!
With a comment like that I bet your the pride of your English class! ;)
With a comment like that I bet your the pride of your English class! ;)
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Re: Jason (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» Pseudointellectual
How can you correct his grammar, when you make mistakes?
You wrote "And incase your blind".
not only is "incase" not a word but "your" is incorrect too. What you should have said is "you are blind" or the contraction "you're blind".
How can you correct his grammar, when you make mistakes?
You wrote "And incase your blind".
not only is "incase" not a word but "your" is incorrect too. What you should have said is "you are blind" or the contraction "you're blind".
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Re: ---- (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» ----
Shove it, grammar nerd.
Shove it, grammar nerd.
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by tytler (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» PS3
umm helllooooooooo ps3 is the shiz niz
umm helllooooooooo ps3 is the shiz niz
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Re: Borat (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» Hello
Yo what's up Vanilla Face. In my country of Kazakhstan PS3 is considered to be a god among men. If you buy a PS3 I will let you use my house, you can sleep my house, you can sleep my sister. If you do not buy a PS3 I will crush you with some help from my good friend Azamat Bagatov.
Yo what's up Vanilla Face. In my country of Kazakhstan PS3 is considered to be a god among men. If you buy a PS3 I will let you use my house, you can sleep my house, you can sleep my sister. If you do not buy a PS3 I will crush you with some help from my good friend Azamat Bagatov.
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by Boby Brown (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» Xerox 360
Very interesting to see that the IQ of a large proportion of QJ readers (with 360 tendances) is inferior the the IQ of a potato !!!
Tell me one thing, have you ever seen a comment from a video game company saying "this is impossible to develop / port to PS3" ? No, cause the PS3 got the guts to run everything, even better than the original, like Oblivion!
(Many ports sucks, thanks to the developers who are not trying too hard...)
Xerox 360 is a piece of C.R.A.P! Seriously, look at its failing rate, its noise, its price will similar equipment of the PS3...
Get a brain, and a life !
Very interesting to see that the IQ of a large proportion of QJ readers (with 360 tendances) is inferior the the IQ of a potato !!!
Tell me one thing, have you ever seen a comment from a video game company saying "this is impossible to develop / port to PS3" ? No, cause the PS3 got the guts to run everything, even better than the original, like Oblivion!
(Many ports sucks, thanks to the developers who are not trying too hard...)
Xerox 360 is a piece of C.R.A.P! Seriously, look at its failing rate, its noise, its price will similar equipment of the PS3...
Get a brain, and a life !
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Re: wq (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» Take your own advice
"Get a brain, and a life !"
When making posts like that on a forum, you're in no position to tell others to get a brain, much less to get a life (Posting on a forum is not an example of having a life ;)).
"Get a brain, and a life !"
When making posts like that on a forum, you're in no position to tell others to get a brain, much less to get a life (Posting on a forum is not an example of having a life ;)).
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by Vietone (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» ...
Everyone needs to calm down.
The PS3 Cell is vastly superior to the 360 CPU. It's not an opinion, it's a known fact.
The GPU in the 360 is slightly superior to the PS3 GPU. It's very very slight and the only thing that makes a difference is the memory. But then again both CPU and GPU on the Xbox360 share the same 35/GBs bandwidth split between them.
The Cell+RSX combination is proving to be enough to power better games. Look at the Xbox360 now, the only thing that can be said about the 360 vs the Xbox is an upgrade in graphics. Everything else feels the same.
On the PS3, games like LAIR and Heavenly Sword are achieving more dynamic objects on screen than all current and future titles that have been shown on the 360. There is not one game on the 360 that can hold itself against the detail and object count in LAIR and Heavenly Sword.
Everyone needs to calm down.
The PS3 Cell is vastly superior to the 360 CPU. It's not an opinion, it's a known fact.
The GPU in the 360 is slightly superior to the PS3 GPU. It's very very slight and the only thing that makes a difference is the memory. But then again both CPU and GPU on the Xbox360 share the same 35/GBs bandwidth split between them.
The Cell+RSX combination is proving to be enough to power better games. Look at the Xbox360 now, the only thing that can be said about the 360 vs the Xbox is an upgrade in graphics. Everything else feels the same.
On the PS3, games like LAIR and Heavenly Sword are achieving more dynamic objects on screen than all current and future titles that have been shown on the 360. There is not one game on the 360 that can hold itself against the detail and object count in LAIR and Heavenly Sword.
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Re: The_Regulator (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» another thing...
Microsoft attempt to rush to the market resulted in inadequate testing of the 360 GPU "Xenos" which is a prototype for unified pixel shader system
the GPU wasnt tested enough for longetevity and reliabilty thus it greatly overheats and is unstable,combine that with poor quality components on the mother board and DVD drive and you have the Red ring of death
this is not something MS can fix since they cant alter the GPU architicture,its extrmely complex any midification could lead to incompatibilty and texture corruption in current games
that is why microsoft decided to repair the system rather than a true redesign
now why would any fool buy a system that is so defected and so rushed....??? its timed bomb that can malfunction and break at any moment
kudos for MS for a flawed system....a flawed software and Hardware company
the 360 is as bad as the Crap Vista..
Microsoft attempt to rush to the market resulted in inadequate testing of the 360 GPU "Xenos" which is a prototype for unified pixel shader system
the GPU wasnt tested enough for longetevity and reliabilty thus it greatly overheats and is unstable,combine that with poor quality components on the mother board and DVD drive and you have the Red ring of death
this is not something MS can fix since they cant alter the GPU architicture,its extrmely complex any midification could lead to incompatibilty and texture corruption in current games
that is why microsoft decided to repair the system rather than a true redesign
now why would any fool buy a system that is so defected and so rushed....??? its timed bomb that can malfunction and break at any moment
kudos for MS for a flawed system....a flawed software and Hardware company
the 360 is as bad as the Crap Vista..
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Re: wq (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» Not a fact.
"The PS3 Cell is vastly superior to the 360 CPU. It's not an opinion, it's a known fact."
Cell is superior to the 360 CPU (Xenon) for arithmetic, it is inferior to Xenon for main code. Hence Cell should be better for physics, Xenon should be better for AI (which relies on branched decisions, not floating-point calculations).
So overall, Cell is slightly superior, but there will be instances when Xenon performs better than Cell, and vice-versa.
I wouldn't bother with the rest of your post because it's the same blind support you give to the PS3 and it's as you always do. For example, if Heavenly Sword was a 360 game (and it could have been), and looked and played exactly as it does on the PS3, you would still find something negative to say about it. :|
The forthcoming Splinter Cell game for the 360 shows just as much interaction and physics as Lair and Heavenly Sword. It even includes a graphical technique yet to be seen on the PS3, so please, quit the pissing contest. ;)
"The PS3 Cell is vastly superior to the 360 CPU. It's not an opinion, it's a known fact."
Cell is superior to the 360 CPU (Xenon) for arithmetic, it is inferior to Xenon for main code. Hence Cell should be better for physics, Xenon should be better for AI (which relies on branched decisions, not floating-point calculations).
So overall, Cell is slightly superior, but there will be instances when Xenon performs better than Cell, and vice-versa.
I wouldn't bother with the rest of your post because it's the same blind support you give to the PS3 and it's as you always do. For example, if Heavenly Sword was a 360 game (and it could have been), and looked and played exactly as it does on the PS3, you would still find something negative to say about it. :|
The forthcoming Splinter Cell game for the 360 shows just as much interaction and physics as Lair and Heavenly Sword. It even includes a graphical technique yet to be seen on the PS3, so please, quit the pissing contest. ;)
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Re: Stealth (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» I got a question
The_Regulator where did you find out that the XBox360 GPU is a prototype, and how thats the problem. Is there a link that shows it.
The_Regulator where did you find out that the XBox360 GPU is a prototype, and how thats the problem. Is there a link that shows it.
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Re: GamerX (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» It's not a prototype Stealth
The_Regulator's post is a rather unitelligent analysis of the situation (BTW Stealth, he's not saying the GPU itself is a prototype, but that it's the first GPU to use unified shaders).
Right now, the issue with *some* 360s seems to be the GPU overheating, which makes the problem a COOLING problem, not a GPU problem. It is not being kept cool enough, and when this happens, the GPU will stop working.
If the CPU or GPU in the PC you're using right now isn't kept cool enough by the fans and the heatsink, then your PC will crash. I've changed the heatsink and fan on my nVidia card for this reason (I'm now using 'Artic Cooling', which is brillant! and quieter).
The same would happen on the PS3 if RSX wasn't being kept cool enough. It's not a fault with the GPU, it's a design oversight, but it's something which I'm sure will be resolved it newer models (especially when they eventually switch to 65nm components).
The_Regulator's post is a rather unitelligent analysis of the situation (BTW Stealth, he's not saying the GPU itself is a prototype, but that it's the first GPU to use unified shaders).
Right now, the issue with *some* 360s seems to be the GPU overheating, which makes the problem a COOLING problem, not a GPU problem. It is not being kept cool enough, and when this happens, the GPU will stop working.
If the CPU or GPU in the PC you're using right now isn't kept cool enough by the fans and the heatsink, then your PC will crash. I've changed the heatsink and fan on my nVidia card for this reason (I'm now using 'Artic Cooling', which is brillant! and quieter).
The same would happen on the PS3 if RSX wasn't being kept cool enough. It's not a fault with the GPU, it's a design oversight, but it's something which I'm sure will be resolved it newer models (especially when they eventually switch to 65nm components).
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Re: Shatterdome - 2007-07-08 |
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» Vietone...
Ninety Nine Nights, a very early 360 game has already put as many units on screen as i've seen in any Lair video or screenshot (and i've seen them all)....they all react dynamically to your weapon swings and super moves as well.
Also Crackdown after the updates has so many people and vehicles on screen at the same times it's almost a pain in the ass trying not to run people over and get chased by the agency....
Lair does have a nice amount of geometry in the cities and such...but still not much more if not the same as looking down at the city in crackdown from the top of the agency...you can see pretty much everything...
But, give it time no doubt and we will see more...but the same goes for both systems really....it will be interesting.
Ninety Nine Nights, a very early 360 game has already put as many units on screen as i've seen in any Lair video or screenshot (and i've seen them all)....they all react dynamically to your weapon swings and super moves as well.
Also Crackdown after the updates has so many people and vehicles on screen at the same times it's almost a pain in the ass trying not to run people over and get chased by the agency....
Lair does have a nice amount of geometry in the cities and such...but still not much more if not the same as looking down at the city in crackdown from the top of the agency...you can see pretty much everything...
But, give it time no doubt and we will see more...but the same goes for both systems really....it will be interesting.
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Re: Mister Common Sense - 2007-07-09 |
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» sure it is....
Let's see some results with your "known facts"
of PS3 superiority.
PS3 hasn't been able to make a single game yet that is technically superior to an XBOX 360 offering. So how can the PS3 be better? The PS3 can offer the same graphics, at best. Deal with it.
Let's see some results with your "known facts"
of PS3 superiority.
PS3 hasn't been able to make a single game yet that is technically superior to an XBOX 360 offering. So how can the PS3 be better? The PS3 can offer the same graphics, at best. Deal with it.
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Re: Manny151 (Unregistered) - 2007-07-09 |
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» Apparently you havn't seen all the videos for Lair
Whenever the Dragon Swoops down by the troops fighting on the ground, there is no game out there or coming out soon that can compare to amount of characters on screen or the level of detail. Crakdon.....please.... are you crazy. You can't compare Crakdown with Lair.
Whenever the Dragon Swoops down by the troops fighting on the ground, there is no game out there or coming out soon that can compare to amount of characters on screen or the level of detail. Crakdon.....please.... are you crazy. You can't compare Crakdown with Lair.
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by fanboy (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» ps3 rocks
33% xbox 360 failure rate.
microsoft get on youre knees and suck sonys c0ck
33% xbox 360 failure rate.
microsoft get on youre knees and suck sonys c0ck
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Re: Boby Brown (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» and...
and swallow ... your pride!
and swallow ... your pride!
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Re: Erick (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» ??
and swallow ... your pride?
lets just leave it at swallow.
and swallow ... your pride?
lets just leave it at swallow.
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Re: Thabor (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» Nothing to cheer about..
The failure rate on the 360 is nothing for any gamer to cheer about. Especially if it is linked to change over to eliminate solder using lead compounds. If that is the case other consumer electronics could end up suffering as well, even the PS3.
The failure rate on the 360 is nothing for any gamer to cheer about. Especially if it is linked to change over to eliminate solder using lead compounds. If that is the case other consumer electronics could end up suffering as well, even the PS3.
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by Xman - 2007-07-08 |
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» stupid
sony gave them money to say that!! if this same game was being made for the 360 they would be saying that the 360 is stronger!! the truth is that the 360 is stronger!!
sony gave them money to say that!! if this same game was being made for the 360 they would be saying that the 360 is stronger!! the truth is that the 360 is stronger!!
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Re: SWANN (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» More Stupid!
So you mean to tell me that M$ doesn't buy devs out just have their games on the 360? Your free basing if you think like that. Rockstar* basically said that the 360 was inferior because there's no standard HDD and that's the reason for the development slowdown on GTA 4. M$ trys to act like the Mafia and thinks that money can buy exclusitivity and kind words for that lackluster console. 33% failure says a lot to me. the PS3 and the Wii have less than 1% failure rate. My best friend is on his 5th 360 right now after his fourth one failed on him Friday afternoon. There's an old saying " No matter what type of person your are, no matter how much money you have, your quality will not improve your demeanor just like sunlight will never sweeten garbage." The PS3 is much more stronger than the 360 could ever hope to be. False advertisements about how great the 360 is can't keep the truth hidden. 33% failure rate. That's all the truth I need.
So you mean to tell me that M$ doesn't buy devs out just have their games on the 360? Your free basing if you think like that. Rockstar* basically said that the 360 was inferior because there's no standard HDD and that's the reason for the development slowdown on GTA 4. M$ trys to act like the Mafia and thinks that money can buy exclusitivity and kind words for that lackluster console. 33% failure says a lot to me. the PS3 and the Wii have less than 1% failure rate. My best friend is on his 5th 360 right now after his fourth one failed on him Friday afternoon. There's an old saying " No matter what type of person your are, no matter how much money you have, your quality will not improve your demeanor just like sunlight will never sweeten garbage." The PS3 is much more stronger than the 360 could ever hope to be. False advertisements about how great the 360 is can't keep the truth hidden. 33% failure rate. That's all the truth I need.
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Re: wq (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» No they didn't SWANN
"Rockstar* basically said that the 360 was inferior because there's no standard HDD and that's the reason for the development slowdown on GTA 4."
I'm always amused how gamers resort to lying just to make a point. A PS magazine asked the developers if not having a HDD as standard and DVD was a limitation and they said one word "Yes". But they then added that BOTH consoles have limitations. Nothing was said about developement slowing down because of the 360 or that they were having any more problems on the 360 than they were the PS3.
That said, I completely disagree with Xman, so he deserves to be attacked, but try doing so with the truth.
This is something that effects all multi-format developement. For example, it's the limitations in the PS3, such as less ram for games and a slightly weaker GPU which results in most multi-format games looking and/or performing better on the 360.
"Rockstar* basically said that the 360 was inferior because there's no standard HDD and that's the reason for the development slowdown on GTA 4."
I'm always amused how gamers resort to lying just to make a point. A PS magazine asked the developers if not having a HDD as standard and DVD was a limitation and they said one word "Yes". But they then added that BOTH consoles have limitations. Nothing was said about developement slowing down because of the 360 or that they were having any more problems on the 360 than they were the PS3.
That said, I completely disagree with Xman, so he deserves to be attacked, but try doing so with the truth.
This is something that effects all multi-format developement. For example, it's the limitations in the PS3, such as less ram for games and a slightly weaker GPU which results in most multi-format games looking and/or performing better on the 360.
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Re: illjot (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» 360 Hindering GTAIV?
Check http://ps3.ign.com/articles/785/785344p1.html. SWANN may have gotten his info from here. Although they do mention the problems with both systems thing but to a lesser degree.
Check http://ps3.ign.com/articles/785/785344p1.html. SWANN may have gotten his info from here. Although they do mention the problems with both systems thing but to a lesser degree.
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by Awais (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» ps3 is the best
ps3 is the best and beats the xbox with better graphic and free online playing. Besides in the future BLURAYS DISKS WILL BE USED MORE AND HD-DVD WILL BE GONE
ps3 is the best and beats the xbox with better graphic and free online playing. Besides in the future BLURAYS DISKS WILL BE USED MORE AND HD-DVD WILL BE GONE
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by Cell has 6 SPEs (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» wq, i don't know what ur smoking
Cell has different SPEs for different tasks, it can delegate each SPEs to be doing different things, such as physics, AI, plus the Cell also has to ability to help out RSX when the need rises...also the Cell, although someone said it is not as general purpose as the Xenon, it is not...and Xenon isn't as good as people would like it to be, devs already find limitations on the 360...trust me, in a year or two, you will see the gap between PS3 and 360 pretty wide.
Cell has different SPEs for different tasks, it can delegate each SPEs to be doing different things, such as physics, AI, plus the Cell also has to ability to help out RSX when the need rises...also the Cell, although someone said it is not as general purpose as the Xenon, it is not...and Xenon isn't as good as people would like it to be, devs already find limitations on the 360...trust me, in a year or two, you will see the gap between PS3 and 360 pretty wide.
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Re: wq (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» Don't you know how to use the reply button?
Anyway...
>"Cell has different SPEs for different tasks"
And? Xenon has three cores with two threads each for doing different things. So what? And Xenon can help out the 360's GPU too, except MS don't choose to hype this feature (look up 'memexport' if you're interested).
You may know Stealth, he's one of the hardcore PS3 fanboys around here, and he posted the following link regarding the difference between the 360 and the PS3. Read it and tell me exactly why *you* think it's wrong;
http://www.overclock.net/video-games-general/194293-definitive-360-vs-ps3-guide.html
Here are some quotes from that link;
"Despite its shortcomings, the Cell is still an incredibly powerful processor. However, the Xenon is not too far behind."
"Though [the GPU] not incredibly more powerful, the 360 does come out on top in terms of graphics processing power."
"One of the claims made is that the Cell is far better for AI and physics. While this is true for physics calculations, AI code is extremly branch intensive and is filled with conditional statements. Thus, the Cell's performance suffers when it comes to AI, as only the PPE features branch prediction. The Xenon is better suited for AI in this case, as all three of its cores include branch prediction."
>"devs already find limitations on the 360"
Devs have alread found limitations in the PS3 (it has less ram available to games compared to the 360, the Blu-ray drive is slower, the GPU is slightless less powerful etc). Oh but wait, you think the PS3 is limitless, right?
>".trust me, in a year or two, you will see the gap between PS3 and 360 pretty wide."
Trust you? No disrespect, but why should I trust the word of a nobody on a forum. ;)
Anyway...
>"Cell has different SPEs for different tasks"
And? Xenon has three cores with two threads each for doing different things. So what? And Xenon can help out the 360's GPU too, except MS don't choose to hype this feature (look up 'memexport' if you're interested).
You may know Stealth, he's one of the hardcore PS3 fanboys around here, and he posted the following link regarding the difference between the 360 and the PS3. Read it and tell me exactly why *you* think it's wrong;
http://www.overclock.net/video-games-general/194293-definitive-360-vs-ps3-guide.html
Here are some quotes from that link;
"Despite its shortcomings, the Cell is still an incredibly powerful processor. However, the Xenon is not too far behind."
"Though [the GPU] not incredibly more powerful, the 360 does come out on top in terms of graphics processing power."
"One of the claims made is that the Cell is far better for AI and physics. While this is true for physics calculations, AI code is extremly branch intensive and is filled with conditional statements. Thus, the Cell's performance suffers when it comes to AI, as only the PPE features branch prediction. The Xenon is better suited for AI in this case, as all three of its cores include branch prediction."
>"devs already find limitations on the 360"
Devs have alread found limitations in the PS3 (it has less ram available to games compared to the 360, the Blu-ray drive is slower, the GPU is slightless less powerful etc). Oh but wait, you think the PS3 is limitless, right?
>".trust me, in a year or two, you will see the gap between PS3 and 360 pretty wide."
Trust you? No disrespect, but why should I trust the word of a nobody on a forum. ;)
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Re: Stealth (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» Um...
I never gave that link, so don't believe this guy, Cell has 6 SPEs. He is just trying to make up stuff and show false info that the ps3 has limits.
I never gave that link, so don't believe this guy, Cell has 6 SPEs. He is just trying to make up stuff and show false info that the ps3 has limits.
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Re: GamerX (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» You're lying Stealth :|
You gave that link here;
http://ps3.qj.net/SCEA-s-Tretton-Microsoft-and-Nintendo-are-too-dependent/pg/49/aid/96600#comments
I remember because I was there when you said;
"Folding Junkie!
I agree with you on everything you say.
The cell has more potential than Xenon in the long run, so cell and ps3 wins.
On that note read this it basically shows some good stuff."
So, you were saying? Or are you denying it now just because I showed how that link supported my views and not Folding Junkie?
You gave that link here;
http://ps3.qj.net/SCEA-s-Tretton-Microsoft-and-Nintendo-are-too-dependent/pg/49/aid/96600#comments
I remember because I was there when you said;
"Folding Junkie!
I agree with you on everything you say.
The cell has more potential than Xenon in the long run, so cell and ps3 wins.
On that note read this it basically shows some good stuff."
So, you were saying? Or are you denying it now just because I showed how that link supported my views and not Folding Junkie?
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Re: Matt (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» About the number of SPE's
The original design calls for 8 SPE's which was reduced to 7 for a better CPU yield. This number was further reduced when sony decided to keep one SPE for O/S use. Therefore there are six availible to the developers. Why cant a bunch of teams get together and develop one master engine which has multiple visual schemes. Think about it! The most ammount of talent all working on one engine. The themes would provide those studios who wish to have different looking games (SOCOM to GOW to FF etc.) Its looks good for the gamers. But nope, we all must sit in our own little corners hacking away at something which is impossible 100% efficiency.
The original design calls for 8 SPE's which was reduced to 7 for a better CPU yield. This number was further reduced when sony decided to keep one SPE for O/S use. Therefore there are six availible to the developers. Why cant a bunch of teams get together and develop one master engine which has multiple visual schemes. Think about it! The most ammount of talent all working on one engine. The themes would provide those studios who wish to have different looking games (SOCOM to GOW to FF etc.) Its looks good for the gamers. But nope, we all must sit in our own little corners hacking away at something which is impossible 100% efficiency.
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Re: wq (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» Er no thanks
"Why cant a bunch of teams get together and develop one master engine which has multiple visual schemes. Think about it! The most ammount of talent all working on one engine."
It doesn't work that way. That's like assuming if the best movie directors got together then they could make the best films ever seen with the best special effects, or if a group of top music groups got together then they'll create the best music.
There could never be a master game engine which is the best for every type of game. What devs need are choice, and I think they are doing a fantastic job on the next gen consoles. Even the Unreal Engine, as good as it is, is going to be bettered by game engines written exclusively for each console.
That's just the way it is, and imo, that's the way it should be. I understand where you're coming from, but it's not the answer to game developement that you think it is. :|
"Why cant a bunch of teams get together and develop one master engine which has multiple visual schemes. Think about it! The most ammount of talent all working on one engine."
It doesn't work that way. That's like assuming if the best movie directors got together then they could make the best films ever seen with the best special effects, or if a group of top music groups got together then they'll create the best music.
There could never be a master game engine which is the best for every type of game. What devs need are choice, and I think they are doing a fantastic job on the next gen consoles. Even the Unreal Engine, as good as it is, is going to be bettered by game engines written exclusively for each console.
That's just the way it is, and imo, that's the way it should be. I understand where you're coming from, but it's not the answer to game developement that you think it is. :|
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Re: wq (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» Thanks GameX
I remembered that link when stealth posted it recently because I read it last month, but I couldn't remember where or when he posted it here (btw, how did you find it so quickly?).
I remembered that link when stealth posted it recently because I read it last month, but I couldn't remember where or when he posted it here (btw, how did you find it so quickly?).
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Re: 7eleven (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» Woah
"You're lying Stealth :|
You gave that link here"
Stealth truely pwned! :D
"You're lying Stealth :|
You gave that link here"
Stealth truely pwned! :D
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by Charlie (Unregistered) (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» no games
Wii got better games than PS3
Wii got better games than PS3
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Re: wq (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» That's your opinion
But the majority on this forum would disagree.
It seems to me that since purchasing a Wii, those gamers do not purchase as many games and therefore do not play as much as they do on the PS3 and 360.
But the majority on this forum would disagree.
It seems to me that since purchasing a Wii, those gamers do not purchase as many games and therefore do not play as much as they do on the PS3 and 360.
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by tito (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» ps3=worth it
This comment is for those who do not own a ps3 and are looking to buy one.Be advised I have all the next gen systems.
The ps3 is truly the system to get.If you would analyze everything you get for $625 including tax you would really appreciate what sony has done with this system.Blue ray=$900.psone=$50.ps2=$129.99.ps3system next gen=cell technology(4 years $400 million dollars for IBM and sony to develop).WiFi included.Bluetooth included.Sixaxis controller=$50.Supports all dvd formats and upscales them.Supports all cd formats.Is accessable with the psp.Free internet access.Assisting with cancer research=priceless.Compatible with several types of memory cards.Usb connection.Hard drive.I also might note that the system uses the latest technology for all its buttons and internals.The system has hardly any hardware defects yet to be reported.The actual price of the system has been noted to be $850.If you look at these numbers and do the math you can see the ps3 is well worth it and still has lots of untapped power that true developers can notice and are willing to sacrifice some time to learn and appreciate the true future of gaming.The ps3 is all you need in your living room.I love 360 as well but when it comes to what you are actually getting the 360 would come out to be around $860 if you were to include said items the ps3 has. i-phone is $600.ps3=worth it.
This comment is for those who do not own a ps3 and are looking to buy one.Be advised I have all the next gen systems.
The ps3 is truly the system to get.If you would analyze everything you get for $625 including tax you would really appreciate what sony has done with this system.Blue ray=$900.psone=$50.ps2=$129.99.ps3system next gen=cell technology(4 years $400 million dollars for IBM and sony to develop).WiFi included.Bluetooth included.Sixaxis controller=$50.Supports all dvd formats and upscales them.Supports all cd formats.Is accessable with the psp.Free internet access.Assisting with cancer research=priceless.Compatible with several types of memory cards.Usb connection.Hard drive.I also might note that the system uses the latest technology for all its buttons and internals.The system has hardly any hardware defects yet to be reported.The actual price of the system has been noted to be $850.If you look at these numbers and do the math you can see the ps3 is well worth it and still has lots of untapped power that true developers can notice and are willing to sacrifice some time to learn and appreciate the true future of gaming.The ps3 is all you need in your living room.I love 360 as well but when it comes to what you are actually getting the 360 would come out to be around $860 if you were to include said items the ps3 has. i-phone is $600.ps3=worth it.
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Re: Mister Common Sense - 2007-07-09 |
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» I've read this before, Mr. copy and paste
What about people who plan on playing games? Games which are up to date graphically, have great online, and good selection? You failed to discuss those topics.
You lied and only have a PS3, which you feel you need to prevent from premature death.
What about people who plan on playing games? Games which are up to date graphically, have great online, and good selection? You failed to discuss those topics.
You lied and only have a PS3, which you feel you need to prevent from premature death.
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by snakes on uranus (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» wii
I love it when someone gets on here to brag about the wii. It lets me know how underdeveloped their brain is right away. I don't think there is anything wrong with owning one or playing one but to sit there and actually think it's superior in any way including games in silly. It does make me feel better about myself though so thank you!
I love it when someone gets on here to brag about the wii. It lets me know how underdeveloped their brain is right away. I don't think there is anything wrong with owning one or playing one but to sit there and actually think it's superior in any way including games in silly. It does make me feel better about myself though so thank you!
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by Xman - 2007-07-08 |
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» stupid
the 360 is stronger then the ps3!! check it out!! (http://play.tm/wire/click/312663) stupid ps3 fantards!!
the 360 is stronger then the ps3!! check it out!! (http://play.tm/wire/click/312663) stupid ps3 fantards!!
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Re: SWANN (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» Calling the Kettle black!
Just like your an Xbox 360 Fanterd
Just like your an Xbox 360 Fanterd
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by rich boy (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» why complain if money aint a thing
i own all three..... enough said, go work.
i own all three..... enough said, go work.
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by Slick (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» .....
I'm tired of every comment thread turning into this same fanboy-tardism war...
I'm not blaming it fully on the fanboys, because QJ posts quite a bit of flame bait type of articles....
to make it really simple....the only TWO main differences between the 360 and PS3 is Blu-ray and the HDD. The processors and GPU's are too close to even worry about which is better, because the differences are hardly noticeable....but down the road, the actual physical and undenyable differences between the two that gives the PS3 the edge is the included HDD in every consol and the loads of capacity of the Blu-ray disks.
Whether or not the HDD and Blu ray for games is being utilized to the fullest right this moment is irrelevant. The inclusion of those two points in the PS3 cannot be argued.
Lets break it down real quick. Clear things up. If you take two developers and give them a limitless budget and all the time that they need to make the best game possible to squeeze out and take advantage of both systems powers, then without a doubt the PS3 developer will make a superior game. The graphics may or may not be better, but that's not the point. There will be more substance. They would have had the potential of 41 more Gigs of game....41 gigs people. PLUS, the HDD would be utilized for cacheing and a million other things that an included HDD will help with.
All I'm saying is that time will tell. 360 will have great games. PS3 will have the potential to have even greater games. All we can do is hope that the developers will take advantage of that potential. And with the way things are going...it looks like they will be within the next 10 months or so...
I'm tired of every comment thread turning into this same fanboy-tardism war...
I'm not blaming it fully on the fanboys, because QJ posts quite a bit of flame bait type of articles....
to make it really simple....the only TWO main differences between the 360 and PS3 is Blu-ray and the HDD. The processors and GPU's are too close to even worry about which is better, because the differences are hardly noticeable....but down the road, the actual physical and undenyable differences between the two that gives the PS3 the edge is the included HDD in every consol and the loads of capacity of the Blu-ray disks.
Whether or not the HDD and Blu ray for games is being utilized to the fullest right this moment is irrelevant. The inclusion of those two points in the PS3 cannot be argued.
Lets break it down real quick. Clear things up. If you take two developers and give them a limitless budget and all the time that they need to make the best game possible to squeeze out and take advantage of both systems powers, then without a doubt the PS3 developer will make a superior game. The graphics may or may not be better, but that's not the point. There will be more substance. They would have had the potential of 41 more Gigs of game....41 gigs people. PLUS, the HDD would be utilized for cacheing and a million other things that an included HDD will help with.
All I'm saying is that time will tell. 360 will have great games. PS3 will have the potential to have even greater games. All we can do is hope that the developers will take advantage of that potential. And with the way things are going...it looks like they will be within the next 10 months or so...
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Re: ochoaman (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» nice one!
Couldn't be said better Slick.
MGS4 FTW!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v+oSDudPTOznE
Couldn't be said better Slick.
MGS4 FTW!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v+oSDudPTOznE
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Re: 7eleven (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» You exaggerate the differences
"They would have had the potential of 41 more Gigs of game....41 gigs people."
Blue Dragon was released on the 360 on 3 DVDs (so that's 27 GB across the disks), so games are not limited to just 9GB on the 360 as you claim, just as movies are not limited to one DVD.
Yes Blu-ray holds more, but just because the space is there doesn't mean it's going to be filled, or that it will be filled with actual game content (as opposed to HD video). The Darkness for example only fills that space with TV programs, and yet the graphics are slightly better and have a better framerate on the 360 version (according to the head to heads from reviewers *playing* both versions).
Blu-ray is great to have of course, but it doesn't mean there are 41GB more for PS3 games.
"PLUS, the HDD would be utilized for cacheing and a million other things that an included HDD will help with."
The HDD is also used for caching on the 360, it doesn't need to be built into every console for this purpose. For example, Oblivion on the 360 uses the HDD for caching for users with the HDD. So it's not black and white as you make out. On the 360, the HDD can be used in the same way as on the PS3, where those with a HDD on their 360's will benefit, and those without will not.
"All I'm saying is that time will tell. 360 will have great games. PS3 will have the potential to have even greater games."
Yes, time will tell, and I agree about great games on both, but I disagree that the PS3 has the potential for greater games (it's all subjective anyway).
We'll see. :)
"They would have had the potential of 41 more Gigs of game....41 gigs people."
Blue Dragon was released on the 360 on 3 DVDs (so that's 27 GB across the disks), so games are not limited to just 9GB on the 360 as you claim, just as movies are not limited to one DVD.
Yes Blu-ray holds more, but just because the space is there doesn't mean it's going to be filled, or that it will be filled with actual game content (as opposed to HD video). The Darkness for example only fills that space with TV programs, and yet the graphics are slightly better and have a better framerate on the 360 version (according to the head to heads from reviewers *playing* both versions).
Blu-ray is great to have of course, but it doesn't mean there are 41GB more for PS3 games.
"PLUS, the HDD would be utilized for cacheing and a million other things that an included HDD will help with."
The HDD is also used for caching on the 360, it doesn't need to be built into every console for this purpose. For example, Oblivion on the 360 uses the HDD for caching for users with the HDD. So it's not black and white as you make out. On the 360, the HDD can be used in the same way as on the PS3, where those with a HDD on their 360's will benefit, and those without will not.
"All I'm saying is that time will tell. 360 will have great games. PS3 will have the potential to have even greater games."
Yes, time will tell, and I agree about great games on both, but I disagree that the PS3 has the potential for greater games (it's all subjective anyway).
We'll see. :)
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by JESUS (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» .
JESUS CHRIST, THEY'RE JUST VIDEO GAME CONSOLES
DON'T START SHOOTING NOW
JESUS CHRIST, THEY'RE JUST VIDEO GAME CONSOLES
DON'T START SHOOTING NOW
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by things that cost more tend to give more in sonys e (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» the truth
Duh, sony always gives a quality product, the ps3 is worth $200 more than what he gives it to you, and the psp cost $220 and he sells em now for $170 to us..............and the big wow
is that the new i phone only cost $210 to make and it sells for as much as a $600ps3.....major ripoff
i like attack of the show they show you the true worth'
and an $400 360 only cost $290 to make
ive always got QUALITY worth products from sony' i love my ps3 and psp and ps2 and my sony 10 megapixel cyber shot
Duh, sony always gives a quality product, the ps3 is worth $200 more than what he gives it to you, and the psp cost $220 and he sells em now for $170 to us..............and the big wow
is that the new i phone only cost $210 to make and it sells for as much as a $600ps3.....major ripoff
i like attack of the show they show you the true worth'
and an $400 360 only cost $290 to make
ive always got QUALITY worth products from sony' i love my ps3 and psp and ps2 and my sony 10 megapixel cyber shot
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by Cell+RSX interaction anyone? (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» umm...cooperation is key
The Cell may have its disadvantages, but devs can definitely get around it and because RSX and Cell work in close relation they can generate visuals that are not attainable using the 360 setup...Xenon basically helps the Xenos to some degree but it is nowhere near the degree of the Cell and RSX combo, I can find boatload of forum posts on this proving this....a search on google with the keyword Cell+RSX power or whatever will get you the threads you need to further understand why Quantic Dream chooses PS3 over 360...MS can certainly use some big bucks to buy them over...
The Cell may have its disadvantages, but devs can definitely get around it and because RSX and Cell work in close relation they can generate visuals that are not attainable using the 360 setup...Xenon basically helps the Xenos to some degree but it is nowhere near the degree of the Cell and RSX combo, I can find boatload of forum posts on this proving this....a search on google with the keyword Cell+RSX power or whatever will get you the threads you need to further understand why Quantic Dream chooses PS3 over 360...MS can certainly use some big bucks to buy them over...
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Re: wq (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» This is nothing special
The 360 CPU can also help with graphics, just as the 360's GPU can help with physics, and it can be done VERY efficiently thanks to a feature called memexport on the GPU.
Use Google and search for 'memexport'.
For example;
http://www.beyond3d.com/content/articles/4/10
Did you know about this? Probably not, because MS don't shout it out from the rooftops. ;) It's a very powerful feature (ATI even wanted it in DX10 - http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1985221,00.asp).
So I doubt the Cell+RSX combination is going to result in graphics any better than the Xenon+Xenos combination, but let's wait and see what devs can really do on both consoles before jumping to conclusions. :P
"I can find boatload of forum posts on this proving this...."
Forum posts do not prove anything, they are no different than forum posts here, and for techical issues are usually full of armchair experts.
"you need to further understand why Quantic Dream chooses PS3 over 360..."
Developers have all sorts of reasons why they choose one console over another. Some choose the 360, some choose the PS3, some choose both. That's just the way it is.
The 360 CPU can also help with graphics, just as the 360's GPU can help with physics, and it can be done VERY efficiently thanks to a feature called memexport on the GPU.
Use Google and search for 'memexport'.
For example;
http://www.beyond3d.com/content/articles/4/10
Did you know about this? Probably not, because MS don't shout it out from the rooftops. ;) It's a very powerful feature (ATI even wanted it in DX10 - http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1985221,00.asp).
So I doubt the Cell+RSX combination is going to result in graphics any better than the Xenon+Xenos combination, but let's wait and see what devs can really do on both consoles before jumping to conclusions. :P
"I can find boatload of forum posts on this proving this...."
Forum posts do not prove anything, they are no different than forum posts here, and for techical issues are usually full of armchair experts.
"you need to further understand why Quantic Dream chooses PS3 over 360..."
Developers have all sorts of reasons why they choose one console over another. Some choose the 360, some choose the PS3, some choose both. That's just the way it is.
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by beasta 45 (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» it getting better and better
some of you 360 fanboys got to know. that with good timing and hard work you can achieve something that is rare. infact was it about a year ago 360 was just jack***** and it have no games what so ever. so when you put down playstation 3 because of there games, your sounding like an complete idiot doing so. you 360 fanboys make no sense, and you're greedy and selfish. it ashamed that people have to put up with your races bull*****. ninja gaiden sigma,ff13, mgs4. it bad enough that you convinces capcom about dmc4. stop look at the 360 like it the only console around. get a $499 playstation 3 and shut up and be happy!!! or wait until august and then shut up. because your turn of realise the truth is coming soon!!
let the light brighting the darkness on your mind about playstation 3, you'll see the differents soon.
some of you 360 fanboys got to know. that with good timing and hard work you can achieve something that is rare. infact was it about a year ago 360 was just jack***** and it have no games what so ever. so when you put down playstation 3 because of there games, your sounding like an complete idiot doing so. you 360 fanboys make no sense, and you're greedy and selfish. it ashamed that people have to put up with your races bull*****. ninja gaiden sigma,ff13, mgs4. it bad enough that you convinces capcom about dmc4. stop look at the 360 like it the only console around. get a $499 playstation 3 and shut up and be happy!!! or wait until august and then shut up. because your turn of realise the truth is coming soon!!
let the light brighting the darkness on your mind about playstation 3, you'll see the differents soon.
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Re: wq (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08 |
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» Just one question
How old are you?
How old are you?
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by Iceman (Unregistered) - 2007-07-09 |
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» The Ps3 is also in last place quantic Dreams
ps3 sucks its onley got 512 ram so it cant even produce better graphics then xbox360 witch has 512 of united ram.
Aren't you giving them too much credit? (oh and use spell check next time) the ps3 has a paltry 256mb of ram which is poor in this time and age of games that use no less than 1 gig or more. Also ram has everything to do with graphics which would you rather have a game that loads in seconds or minutes, or low res or high res? Cup cannot do that alone that why more ram is need to help help the cup all together....duh.
ps3 sucks its onley got 512 ram so it cant even produce better graphics then xbox360 witch has 512 of united ram.
Aren't you giving them too much credit? (oh and use spell check next time) the ps3 has a paltry 256mb of ram which is poor in this time and age of games that use no less than 1 gig or more. Also ram has everything to do with graphics which would you rather have a game that loads in seconds or minutes, or low res or high res? Cup cannot do that alone that why more ram is need to help help the cup all together....duh.
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Re: Bauer (Unregistered) - 2007-07-09 |
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» ...
If you had 256mb RAM on a PC you would be seeing problems, certainly.
On the PS3, the RAM is used solely for the game it is running.
You're PS3 isn't trying to run hundreds of programs in the background á la windows, so the need for over 1gb RAM is not applicable.
Sure, more memory is always going to be beneficial, but not as necessary as you might think.
If you had 256mb RAM on a PC you would be seeing problems, certainly.
On the PS3, the RAM is used solely for the game it is running.
You're PS3 isn't trying to run hundreds of programs in the background á la windows, so the need for over 1gb RAM is not applicable.
Sure, more memory is always going to be beneficial, but not as necessary as you might think.
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by OctaneX (Unregistered) - 2007-07-09 |
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» @ nllx
nllx said: "Pretty hilarious reading all the PS3 fanboy comments. Doesn't matter if the PS3 is the strongest, if it has barely to no games, it sucks in the end.
You kids should now that after last-gen with PS2 being the weakest.
Sad, sad fanboys that don't know sh*t."
At least get your facts straight before you go getting all high and mighty calling people "kids" and dropping four letter words.
"You kids should now that after last-gen with PS2 being the weakest."
^^ That quote is rich. Do you know what console outsold everything last Christmas? It wasn't Wii, it wasn't X360 or PS3, it was......PS2.... Yes, yes, it was the "weakest" of the last gen according to your unquestionable wisdom that outsold all of the next gen units. With 115+ MILLION PS2 units shipped and sold to date worldwide it doesn't sound like many people share your opinion of it as "weak".
More people on the planet own PS2's than AK-47 assault rifles, a weapon used in every conflict on the planet for the last 60 years, often by both sides. Enough PS2's have been sold in the last 6 years for everyone in Canada to have almost four per household. It has outsold it's closest competition from its generation (XBOX) by nearly 4 to 1.
Now how you can know all that and call it "weak" I don't understand. Then again you probably didn't know all of that because you probably blindly worship your console of choice and don't care about facts. Nobody cares what you like or say, you've every right to your opinion just as anyone else. Having said that, before you go around calling others fanboys from the top of your high horse, you might want to make sure you aren't one first.
nllx said: "Pretty hilarious reading all the PS3 fanboy comments. Doesn't matter if the PS3 is the strongest, if it has barely to no games, it sucks in the end.
You kids should now that after last-gen with PS2 being the weakest.
Sad, sad fanboys that don't know sh*t."
At least get your facts straight before you go getting all high and mighty calling people "kids" and dropping four letter words.
"You kids should now that after last-gen with PS2 being the weakest."
^^ That quote is rich. Do you know what console outsold everything last Christmas? It wasn't Wii, it wasn't X360 or PS3, it was......PS2.... Yes, yes, it was the "weakest" of the last gen according to your unquestionable wisdom that outsold all of the next gen units. With 115+ MILLION PS2 units shipped and sold to date worldwide it doesn't sound like many people share your opinion of it as "weak".
More people on the planet own PS2's than AK-47 assault rifles, a weapon used in every conflict on the planet for the last 60 years, often by both sides. Enough PS2's have been sold in the last 6 years for everyone in Canada to have almost four per household. It has outsold it's closest competition from its generation (XBOX) by nearly 4 to 1.
Now how you can know all that and call it "weak" I don't understand. Then again you probably didn't know all of that because you probably blindly worship your console of choice and don't care about facts. Nobody cares what you like or say, you've every right to your opinion just as anyone else. Having said that, before you go around calling others fanboys from the top of your high horse, you might want to make sure you aren't one first.
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Re: Bauer (Unregistered) - 2007-07-09 |
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» you read wrong
I don;t think that nllx meant "weak" by number of units sold, but rather actual console power.
He is right in that the least powerful console performed the best in the last generation.
this time, however, the war has a less predictable outcome.
When the original Xbox came out, the PS2 already had considerable market share, and was going to take a lot of catching (which ultimately didn't happen).
The story has a similar beginning this time around, except for the fact that the PS3 has a lot more to contest the 360 than the Xbox had against the PS2.
I don;t think that nllx meant "weak" by number of units sold, but rather actual console power.
He is right in that the least powerful console performed the best in the last generation.
this time, however, the war has a less predictable outcome.
When the original Xbox came out, the PS2 already had considerable market share, and was going to take a lot of catching (which ultimately didn't happen).
The story has a similar beginning this time around, except for the fact that the PS3 has a lot more to contest the 360 than the Xbox had against the PS2.
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by lfabela - 2007-07-09 |
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» PS3 Question?
I am about to move to NZ. I have a PS3 I purchased here in the USA. What do I have to do to make my PS3 playable in NZ?
Thanks!
LF
I am about to move to NZ. I have a PS3 I purchased here in the USA. What do I have to do to make my PS3 playable in NZ?
Thanks!
LF
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by we will have to see about that (Unregistered) - 2007-07-09 |
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» memexport seems like a useful feature...but
The Cell and RSX basically complements each other very well...this is undeniable...this is why although RSX is weaker than Xenos, PS3 can produce equivalent graphics as the xbox 360...you may argue games are still much weaker in terms of graphics (ie, textures, lighting, etc), also people have been saying RSX cannot do HDR+FSAA together whereas the 360 can do that...we will have to see...If indeed this can be overcome with the Cell, that means the processor in the PS3 is the most powerful in the console market.
The Cell and RSX basically complements each other very well...this is undeniable...this is why although RSX is weaker than Xenos, PS3 can produce equivalent graphics as the xbox 360...you may argue games are still much weaker in terms of graphics (ie, textures, lighting, etc), also people have been saying RSX cannot do HDR+FSAA together whereas the 360 can do that...we will have to see...If indeed this can be overcome with the Cell, that means the processor in the PS3 is the most powerful in the console market.
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by B (Unregistered) - 2007-07-09 |
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» get with the program
the bottom line is games are going to be bigger than 8gb soon and when that happens 360 will be *****. stop clinging to the old format. Soon people will start realizing that the xbox is only in the race because they are cheaper to make games for and more people in north america own xbox than ps3 so devs are raking it in while they can and screwing loyal ps3 fans. But I know sooner or later PS3 will come out with something innovative while xbox makes another FPS and pretends like its 20x better than the one they put out the month before...
the bottom line is games are going to be bigger than 8gb soon and when that happens 360 will be *****. stop clinging to the old format. Soon people will start realizing that the xbox is only in the race because they are cheaper to make games for and more people in north america own xbox than ps3 so devs are raking it in while they can and screwing loyal ps3 fans. But I know sooner or later PS3 will come out with something innovative while xbox makes another FPS and pretends like its 20x better than the one they put out the month before...
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Re: Fais Kin Balzak (Unregistered) - 2007-07-14 |
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» Uhum
You're absolutely right. MGS4 is just an example of this.
You're absolutely right. MGS4 is just an example of this.
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by fiberwire (Unregistered) - 2007-07-15 |
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» RSX>Xenos
RSX:
-500MHz
-600 million transistors
-5 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle
-24 filtered samples per clock
-Maximum texel fillrate: 12 gigatexel per second
-Maximum pixel fillrate: 4 gigapixel per second
-68 billion shader operations per second (80 billion with Cell CPU)
-Maximum Dot product operations: 33 billion per second
-Maximum polygon count: 750 million triangles per second
-1.8 TFLOPS
-1 billion vertices per second
Xenos:
-500MHz
-337 million transistors
-2 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle
-16 filtered samples per clock
-Maximum texel fillrate: 8 gigatexel per second
-Maximum pixel fillrate: 4 gigapixel per second
-Maximum shader operations: 48 billion per second
-Maximum Dot product operations: 24 billion per second
-Maximum polygon count: 500 million triangles per second
-240 GFLOPS
-1.6 billion vertices per second
All information via Wikipedia.org
RSX:
-500MHz
-600 million transistors
-5 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle
-24 filtered samples per clock
-Maximum texel fillrate: 12 gigatexel per second
-Maximum pixel fillrate: 4 gigapixel per second
-68 billion shader operations per second (80 billion with Cell CPU)
-Maximum Dot product operations: 33 billion per second
-Maximum polygon count: 750 million triangles per second
-1.8 TFLOPS
-1 billion vertices per second
Xenos:
-500MHz
-337 million transistors
-2 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle
-16 filtered samples per clock
-Maximum texel fillrate: 8 gigatexel per second
-Maximum pixel fillrate: 4 gigapixel per second
-Maximum shader operations: 48 billion per second
-Maximum Dot product operations: 24 billion per second
-Maximum polygon count: 500 million triangles per second
-240 GFLOPS
-1.6 billion vertices per second
All information via Wikipedia.org
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Re: fiberwire (Unregistered) - 2007-07-15 |
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» oops
Xenos:
-Maximum shader operations: 48 billion per second
forgot that one
Xenos:
-Maximum shader operations: 48 billion per second
forgot that one
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by Rye (Unregistered) - 2007-07-17 |
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» My opinion
I think we are barking up the wrong tree what ever console u buy ur stuck with that amount of power. If you want to argue about power and performance then see who can build the best PC.
Both are powerful in there own right but the importnat point about consoles is its not about how much power games consoles have, its how developers use this power to make games. I.e PS2, Resident Evil 4, that was a amazing game in graphics and more importantly gameplay why? not because it was on a powerful console but because the developers make full use of the PS2s limited power and created something great.
the XBOX is doing well if we look at it purely from a gaming perspective and it is beating the PS3 . Great line up of games and it has better games than the PS3 at the moment. like wise the PS3 will get its own good games as well whether these are better than 360 well thats up to the developers not us. They may never use the PS3s full potential but they will make decent games that are fun to play.
Plus we are comparing these consoles on a very wide gap the 360 has ben out alot longer so it is going to hold the better titles. The PS3 has not been out as long its not yet been figured out how to harness it. It will have its own clooection of good games they may/ may not be as good as 360 top titles but the point is if they are fun to play then it doesnt matter which console has the most power.
I think we are barking up the wrong tree what ever console u buy ur stuck with that amount of power. If you want to argue about power and performance then see who can build the best PC.
Both are powerful in there own right but the importnat point about consoles is its not about how much power games consoles have, its how developers use this power to make games. I.e PS2, Resident Evil 4, that was a amazing game in graphics and more importantly gameplay why? not because it was on a powerful console but because the developers make full use of the PS2s limited power and created something great.
the XBOX is doing well if we look at it purely from a gaming perspective and it is beating the PS3 . Great line up of games and it has better games than the PS3 at the moment. like wise the PS3 will get its own good games as well whether these are better than 360 well thats up to the developers not us. They may never use the PS3s full potential but they will make decent games that are fun to play.
Plus we are comparing these consoles on a very wide gap the 360 has ben out alot longer so it is going to hold the better titles. The PS3 has not been out as long its not yet been figured out how to harness it. It will have its own clooection of good games they may/ may not be as good as 360 top titles but the point is if they are fun to play then it doesnt matter which console has the most power.
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