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by Emil (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» Good/Bad News
Interesting news I would say. With all the bashing of the next-gen consoles going on (and being a Sony hater myself) I still find it a bit hard to believe. Then again, developing for the PS3 definetly will not be cheap. It would be quite a blow for Sony if developers already jump off the train due to development costs.
I guess it is fair to say that the developer struggles with the costs but I don't think that they will cancel the title entirely; Then again, I never really heard about this game before which may be a hint that the team is not really satisfied with it's progress.
Interesting news I would say. With all the bashing of the next-gen consoles going on (and being a Sony hater myself) I still find it a bit hard to believe. Then again, developing for the PS3 definetly will not be cheap. It would be quite a blow for Sony if developers already jump off the train due to development costs.
I guess it is fair to say that the developer struggles with the costs but I don't think that they will cancel the title entirely; Then again, I never really heard about this game before which may be a hint that the team is not really satisfied with it's progress.
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by Me (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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Another Nail in the Coffin for the PS3
Another Nail in the Coffin for the PS3
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by lol (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» just goes to show how lazy devs are...
...porting a game from pc to xbox360 is a snap, but porting it to ps3 takes some skill and some knowledge of a new architect (cell)
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of games get ported to x360 from pc.
Ports are stupid anyways. This will require devs to make new games for ps3.
...porting a game from pc to xbox360 is a snap, but porting it to ps3 takes some skill and some knowledge of a new architect (cell)
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of games get ported to x360 from pc.
Ports are stupid anyways. This will require devs to make new games for ps3.
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by Vietone - 2006-06-29 |
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» PC ports...
So far there isnt one PC port on the Xbox360 that lives up to the original. Still cant use a mouse and keyboard and the graphics arent even close.
I want more original games for the PS3. Sure the cost of porting the game is higher then the Xbox360 but that doesnt mean that its too high. I think developers are too worried about money and not quality of games.
So far there isnt one PC port on the Xbox360 that lives up to the original. Still cant use a mouse and keyboard and the graphics arent even close.
I want more original games for the PS3. Sure the cost of porting the game is higher then the Xbox360 but that doesnt mean that its too high. I think developers are too worried about money and not quality of games.
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by Lachupkabra (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» Err...
Who are Track 7?
Who are Track 7?
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by Yaz (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» Hmmm
"So far there isnt one PC port on the Xbox360 that lives up to the original."
Well 'so far' = 6 months.
And it's not about PC ports. Games being developed for PC and next-gen consoles are multi-platform games, not ports.
"So far there isnt one PC port on the Xbox360 that lives up to the original."
Well 'so far' = 6 months.
And it's not about PC ports. Games being developed for PC and next-gen consoles are multi-platform games, not ports.
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by Yaz (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» .
^^^ Correction, 7 months. ;)
But the point remains. For example, UT2007 is being developed for both PC and PS3, therefore the PS3 version of the game is not a PC port, even if development started on the PC originally.
^^^ Correction, 7 months. ;)
But the point remains. For example, UT2007 is being developed for both PC and PS3, therefore the PS3 version of the game is not a PC port, even if development started on the PC originally.
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by Fluffy (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» Probably...
Track 7 is a small company with no prior experience. The programmers are probably well versed in programming for the PC (programming for PC is almost free, no royalty payments), and xbox360 is quite close in terms of similarity to the PC. I suspect that they have probably bitten too much and don't have the resources (could be manpower, experience, or money) to make this game for another platform.
Track 7 is a small company with no prior experience. The programmers are probably well versed in programming for the PC (programming for PC is almost free, no royalty payments), and xbox360 is quite close in terms of similarity to the PC. I suspect that they have probably bitten too much and don't have the resources (could be manpower, experience, or money) to make this game for another platform.
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by Lefamaster (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» Mmmmmm... I don't believe anything nowadays.
To be honest, I don't think this is truth. Mainly because one of the most expensive things of the development are already paid, supposedly (the PS3 dev kits) so, after paying that, I can't imagine a company saying 'Ey, PS3 is crap for developing, so we're thinking about cancelling the PS3 version'. Those things are thought BEFORE paying for a devkit. And, if the problem is using the Cell in the port, they would make a crappy PS3 version with slowdowns or worse graphics, but they wouldn't cancel the PS3 version.
As all the crap publicity about PS3 lately, it sounds like Microsoft doing dirty ***** in the background. Doesn't sound like 'eh, Sony, help us or we won't be able to release the game for your very complicated machine', but a bit more like 'Ey, Sony, after speaking with the guys in M$, we decided that you pay us some money or we'll cancel the PS3 version talking ***** about the machine and your devkits'.
Of course, probably there would be no option for Sony and in some months the only version cancelled will be the PS3 one for the happiness and hopes of the XTS fans who will say 'Ey, PS3 is ***** and crappy!' even if smaller companies are making PS3 exclusive titles without problems.
To be honest, I don't think this is truth. Mainly because one of the most expensive things of the development are already paid, supposedly (the PS3 dev kits) so, after paying that, I can't imagine a company saying 'Ey, PS3 is crap for developing, so we're thinking about cancelling the PS3 version'. Those things are thought BEFORE paying for a devkit. And, if the problem is using the Cell in the port, they would make a crappy PS3 version with slowdowns or worse graphics, but they wouldn't cancel the PS3 version.
As all the crap publicity about PS3 lately, it sounds like Microsoft doing dirty ***** in the background. Doesn't sound like 'eh, Sony, help us or we won't be able to release the game for your very complicated machine', but a bit more like 'Ey, Sony, after speaking with the guys in M$, we decided that you pay us some money or we'll cancel the PS3 version talking ***** about the machine and your devkits'.
Of course, probably there would be no option for Sony and in some months the only version cancelled will be the PS3 one for the happiness and hopes of the XTS fans who will say 'Ey, PS3 is ***** and crappy!' even if smaller companies are making PS3 exclusive titles without problems.
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by Yaz (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» Sigh
"As all the crap publicity about PS3 lately, it sounds like Microsoft doing dirty ***** in the background."
Ah yes, it's so much more comforting to believe conspiracy theories, such as an evil MS plan (Muhahahaha!), rather than to face facts.
Ever since E3, Sony have been on the defensive regarding the PS3. However, Sony put themselves in this position, especially after E3 last year (Killzone anyone?) compared to this year, plus the launch delay, the price, the downgrading of certain features, the perception of copying the opposition whether justified or not (motion sensing, 2 SKUs, worldwide November launch), games which look on par with the 360, etc.
Sony put themselves in this position, however I have no doubt they'll get themselves out of it. Much of the negative publicity is of their own making, and therefore they just have to ride it out. After launch, few will care anymore, except the media who will latch onto any rumour of problems with the PS3 hardware and will exagerate it for a news story. :|
"As all the crap publicity about PS3 lately, it sounds like Microsoft doing dirty ***** in the background."
Ah yes, it's so much more comforting to believe conspiracy theories, such as an evil MS plan (Muhahahaha!), rather than to face facts.
Ever since E3, Sony have been on the defensive regarding the PS3. However, Sony put themselves in this position, especially after E3 last year (Killzone anyone?) compared to this year, plus the launch delay, the price, the downgrading of certain features, the perception of copying the opposition whether justified or not (motion sensing, 2 SKUs, worldwide November launch), games which look on par with the 360, etc.
Sony put themselves in this position, however I have no doubt they'll get themselves out of it. Much of the negative publicity is of their own making, and therefore they just have to ride it out. After launch, few will care anymore, except the media who will latch onto any rumour of problems with the PS3 hardware and will exagerate it for a news story. :|
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by Perron (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» Killzone anyone?
"Killzone anyone?"
After seeing the Heavy Rain trailer killzone does seem like its a possibility.
"Killzone anyone?"
After seeing the Heavy Rain trailer killzone does seem like its a possibility.
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by Fluffy (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» Actually...
Sometimes the most obvious reasons are the ones that is staring you in the face...
Reading the excerpt again made me realise that these guys are basically asking for Sony's help in publishing this game on the PS3. They have probably got MS to help publish their game on the Xbox360 (seeing that xbox360 doesn't even have decent games that it can call it's own. It's all either PC and xbox360 or PC, PS3 and Xbox360 but never Xbox360 on its own), and PC is basically a no issue.
But I suspect that they don't have the money to publish the game on the PS3 by themselves.
This looks to be a plea for help in footing the bill disguised as a taunt. Either that or the journalist was probably trying to add some spice in to the story.
Sometimes the most obvious reasons are the ones that is staring you in the face...
Reading the excerpt again made me realise that these guys are basically asking for Sony's help in publishing this game on the PS3. They have probably got MS to help publish their game on the Xbox360 (seeing that xbox360 doesn't even have decent games that it can call it's own. It's all either PC and xbox360 or PC, PS3 and Xbox360 but never Xbox360 on its own), and PC is basically a no issue.
But I suspect that they don't have the money to publish the game on the PS3 by themselves.
This looks to be a plea for help in footing the bill disguised as a taunt. Either that or the journalist was probably trying to add some spice in to the story.
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by Yaz (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» Uh huh.
"After seeing the Heavy Rain trailer killzone does seem like its a possibility."
Oh sure, a DEMO set in a small kitchen with ONE character on the screen really does make Killzone look possible with it's dozens of million+ polygon models, large open environment and particle/smoke effects. *roll eyes*
Killzone will never be possible with the workstation models seen in that CGI trailer last year. Killzone with the kind of models seen in next-gen games however (less polygons with normal mapping), now THAT may be possible.
"After seeing the Heavy Rain trailer killzone does seem like its a possibility."
Oh sure, a DEMO set in a small kitchen with ONE character on the screen really does make Killzone look possible with it's dozens of million+ polygon models, large open environment and particle/smoke effects. *roll eyes*
Killzone will never be possible with the workstation models seen in that CGI trailer last year. Killzone with the kind of models seen in next-gen games however (less polygons with normal mapping), now THAT may be possible.
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by hush404 - 2006-06-29 |
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» bahh
They're just looking for more cash. If they develope the game for teh PC/360 a port won't be a ton more work, sure it'll be some work moving the engine to the cell's unique architecture but not so much that they'd need financial assasstince to do so. They're just looking for that extra boost of cash flow to ensure they don't come up short.
They're just looking for more cash. If they develope the game for teh PC/360 a port won't be a ton more work, sure it'll be some work moving the engine to the cell's unique architecture but not so much that they'd need financial assasstince to do so. They're just looking for that extra boost of cash flow to ensure they don't come up short.
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by :P dragon X (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» :P
all all pie in the sky till the ps3 hits
I know one thing .
I really think Ms will have halo 3 out the same day as the ps3 hits it just something i think they r planing Mite evein see a price drop of the 360 Ms wont be happy till they kill the ps3
I would have got a ps3 but i,m not going 2 pay 20 to 40 dollars more 4 game just cos on BR disk nw
all all pie in the sky till the ps3 hits
I know one thing .
I really think Ms will have halo 3 out the same day as the ps3 hits it just something i think they r planing Mite evein see a price drop of the 360 Ms wont be happy till they kill the ps3
I would have got a ps3 but i,m not going 2 pay 20 to 40 dollars more 4 game just cos on BR disk nw
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by Lefa Master (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» Don't be so innocent...
Well, there are a couple of things here:
- To Yaz: Whatever the position Sony is at the moment is deserved or not (and ignoring your out-of-place critics at Sony), there are a lot of bad rumours about PS3 going around almost everyday, a lot of them unjustified and false, as well as technical 'reviews' of the PS3 structure made by M$ people who really have no idea or simply are bastard liars (probably the 2nd). You can like what Sony does or not, but you're not going to convince me that all those things come from nowhere.
- To Fluffy: Your theory would be the most logical one and what I would believe... but in different terms. If a company does want some money from a publisher, they don't start giving bad press to the publisher's machine in advance. And to say NOW that they could have to cancel the project is another suspecting thing. Once they are at this stage of it, they would release a crappy PS3 version but not cancel the game.
It really seems like M$ acting in there "always very honest" style... again.
Well, there are a couple of things here:
- To Yaz: Whatever the position Sony is at the moment is deserved or not (and ignoring your out-of-place critics at Sony), there are a lot of bad rumours about PS3 going around almost everyday, a lot of them unjustified and false, as well as technical 'reviews' of the PS3 structure made by M$ people who really have no idea or simply are bastard liars (probably the 2nd). You can like what Sony does or not, but you're not going to convince me that all those things come from nowhere.
- To Fluffy: Your theory would be the most logical one and what I would believe... but in different terms. If a company does want some money from a publisher, they don't start giving bad press to the publisher's machine in advance. And to say NOW that they could have to cancel the project is another suspecting thing. Once they are at this stage of it, they would release a crappy PS3 version but not cancel the game.
It really seems like M$ acting in there "always very honest" style... again.
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by hmmmm (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» hmmmm
They always release it PC and 360 because its so fricken easy to program for both those platforms. the PS3 is like the amazon where you need a tour guide to program for it.
They always release it PC and 360 because its so fricken easy to program for both those platforms. the PS3 is like the amazon where you need a tour guide to program for it.
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by lol @ sony (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» haha
man, when sh|t starts rolling downhill it just keeps going...
man, when sh|t starts rolling downhill it just keeps going...
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by ssj3fox - 2006-06-29 |
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» Bad news for indies?
MS and The big N really want indies to make games for them. Didn't Sony say they want only the "best of the best". I have not seen Sony take any interest in indy games...
MS and The big N really want indies to make games for them. Didn't Sony say they want only the "best of the best". I have not seen Sony take any interest in indy games...
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by Yaz (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» Sure Lefa...
As I said, hold on to your conspiracy theories if it makes you feel better, I prefer to live in the real world.
To act as if Microsoft is behind most of the negativity towards Sony is just laughable, it really is. Sure you can point out one article on Major Nelson's website which compared both consoles, but so what, that was over a YEAR AGO, and what did you expect? And if they are quote "bastard liars" for doing so, then so are Sony for passing off pre-rendered footage as realtime on the PS3.
"You can like what Sony does or not, but you're not going to convince me that all those things come from nowhere."
And you're not going to convince me that every website, every journalist or every developers who says something that is or can be interpreted as being negative towards Sony, are doing do under the influences of Microsoft.
Next time you read something negative towards Sony, try looking deeper. Sometimes it will be unfair, sometimes it will be justified, sometimes it will be right, other times wrong.
Whatever it is, trying putting aside the simplistic idea that big bad evil MS (*boo hiss*) are bashing poor sweet innocent little Sony (*ah bless*). ;)
As I said, hold on to your conspiracy theories if it makes you feel better, I prefer to live in the real world.
To act as if Microsoft is behind most of the negativity towards Sony is just laughable, it really is. Sure you can point out one article on Major Nelson's website which compared both consoles, but so what, that was over a YEAR AGO, and what did you expect? And if they are quote "bastard liars" for doing so, then so are Sony for passing off pre-rendered footage as realtime on the PS3.
"You can like what Sony does or not, but you're not going to convince me that all those things come from nowhere."
And you're not going to convince me that every website, every journalist or every developers who says something that is or can be interpreted as being negative towards Sony, are doing do under the influences of Microsoft.
Next time you read something negative towards Sony, try looking deeper. Sometimes it will be unfair, sometimes it will be justified, sometimes it will be right, other times wrong.
Whatever it is, trying putting aside the simplistic idea that big bad evil MS (*boo hiss*) are bashing poor sweet innocent little Sony (*ah bless*). ;)
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by TheProfessor - 2006-06-29 |
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» It would only be costly if the PC game was build with DIRECTX
PC ports would be cheap to bring to the PS3 if the game was developed using OpenGL and actually would cost a lot more to bring to Xbox360. Why? Development time.
Problem is DirectX is dominating the PC market due to Microsoft's monopoly while OpenGL as it's name explains is an open graphics library and has no ownership. Building for all three (PC, PS3, 360) is a problem. That's why it would be costly if Epic wanted to bring Unreal2007 to the 360 because they are using OpenGL.
This rumor might be true but fanboys please keep you ignorant untrue comments like "PC to 360 is easy and PS3 is hard to develop for" to yourselves.
PC ports would be cheap to bring to the PS3 if the game was developed using OpenGL and actually would cost a lot more to bring to Xbox360. Why? Development time.
Problem is DirectX is dominating the PC market due to Microsoft's monopoly while OpenGL as it's name explains is an open graphics library and has no ownership. Building for all three (PC, PS3, 360) is a problem. That's why it would be costly if Epic wanted to bring Unreal2007 to the 360 because they are using OpenGL.
This rumor might be true but fanboys please keep you ignorant untrue comments like "PC to 360 is easy and PS3 is hard to develop for" to yourselves.
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by Yaz (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» Er hem.
"That's why it would be costly if Epic wanted to bring Unreal2007 to the 360 because they are using OpenGL."
Er no, UT2007 is running under EPIC's Unreal Engine 3, the SAME game engine used for Gear's of War on the 360. Therefore it would be easy to port any Unreal Engine 3 based game from one format (PC and console) to another. :|
"That's why it would be costly if Epic wanted to bring Unreal2007 to the 360 because they are using OpenGL."
Er no, UT2007 is running under EPIC's Unreal Engine 3, the SAME game engine used for Gear's of War on the 360. Therefore it would be easy to port any Unreal Engine 3 based game from one format (PC and console) to another. :|
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by TheProfessor - 2006-06-29 |
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» It would only be costly if the PC game was build with DIRECTX
PC ports would be cheap to bring to the PS3 if the game was developed using OpenGL and actually would cost a lot more to bring to Xbox360. Why? Development time.
Problem is DirectX is dominating the PC market due to Microsoft's monopoly while OpenGL as it's name explains is an open graphics library and has no ownership. Building for all three (PC, PS3, 360) is a problem. That's why it would be costly if Epic wanted to bring Unreal2007 to the 360 because they are using OpenGL.
This rumor might be true but fanboys please keep you ignorant untrue comments like "PC to 360 is easy and PS3 is hard to develop for" to yourselves.
PC ports would be cheap to bring to the PS3 if the game was developed using OpenGL and actually would cost a lot more to bring to Xbox360. Why? Development time.
Problem is DirectX is dominating the PC market due to Microsoft's monopoly while OpenGL as it's name explains is an open graphics library and has no ownership. Building for all three (PC, PS3, 360) is a problem. That's why it would be costly if Epic wanted to bring Unreal2007 to the 360 because they are using OpenGL.
This rumor might be true but fanboys please keep you ignorant untrue comments like "PC to 360 is easy and PS3 is hard to develop for" to yourselves.
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by Yaz (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» Er hem.
"That's why it would be costly if Epic wanted to bring Unreal2007 to the 360 because they are using OpenGL."
Er no, UT2007 is running under EPIC's Unreal Engine 3, the SAME game engine used for Gear's of War on the 360. Therefore it would be easy to port any Unreal Engine 3 based game from one format (PC and console) to another. :|
Shall we keep going? Or move on?
"That's why it would be costly if Epic wanted to bring Unreal2007 to the 360 because they are using OpenGL."
Er no, UT2007 is running under EPIC's Unreal Engine 3, the SAME game engine used for Gear's of War on the 360. Therefore it would be easy to port any Unreal Engine 3 based game from one format (PC and console) to another. :|
Shall we keep going? Or move on?
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by Yaz (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» ;)
Perhaps it was an error. ;)
So... moving on...
Perhaps it was an error. ;)
So... moving on...
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by TheProfessor - 2006-06-29 |
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» MS is not behind every rumor but they are masters of the FUD strategy
Please don't believe for a second that MS doesn't start rumors. This is a common strategy that companies like Intel and MS employ here in the US.
MS is the leader when in comes to introducing Fear Doubt and Uncertainty in the competition's consumer base. Please see this site on some of the documented events records in the FUD war Microsoft started on Linux.
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/57261/index.html
Linux is not the only technology targeted by the MS FUD machine. Do searches on Apple Macs, the Java Programming language and the Open graphics library OpenGL.
In conclusion:
Does Microsoft start nasty rumors against their competition? You bet they do. It's documented.
Does every rumor start from MS? No but you can bet that MS does all it can to spread the word.
Is this post a rumor started by MS? I doubt it
Please don't believe for a second that MS doesn't start rumors. This is a common strategy that companies like Intel and MS employ here in the US.
MS is the leader when in comes to introducing Fear Doubt and Uncertainty in the competition's consumer base. Please see this site on some of the documented events records in the FUD war Microsoft started on Linux.
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/57261/index.html
Linux is not the only technology targeted by the MS FUD machine. Do searches on Apple Macs, the Java Programming language and the Open graphics library OpenGL.
In conclusion:
Does Microsoft start nasty rumors against their competition? You bet they do. It's documented.
Does every rumor start from MS? No but you can bet that MS does all it can to spread the word.
Is this post a rumor started by MS? I doubt it
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by Yaz (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» No doubt...
"Does Microsoft start nasty rumors against their competition? You bet they do. It's documented."
And are Sony above doing the same? Of course not.
My objection here is the automatic assumption of certain gamers that anything negative against the PS3 and/or Sony must have come from Microsoft, which is pure nonsense.
"Does Microsoft start nasty rumors against their competition? You bet they do. It's documented."
And are Sony above doing the same? Of course not.
My objection here is the automatic assumption of certain gamers that anything negative against the PS3 and/or Sony must have come from Microsoft, which is pure nonsense.
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by DJ (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» So many people give crap about Sony using pre-rendered footage...
but look at Forza Motorsport 2! I guarentee, if the final product doesn't look on par or better they're going to pull a Killzone on the 360 supporters and laugh away. But either way, I can see this story as being possible considering that they're an independent developer that's only familiar with PC programming/design and doing 3 versions at once might be a little daunting. What boggles me is that it shouldn't cost that much to port their title to the PS3 since it runs C language code just fine. And programming for the SPUs, if they don't manually dedicate each processor to certain tasks, is actually automated by the system. Yeah, it's totally awesome. The Cell architecture actually ASSISTS laziness, haha. It can automatically dedicate whatever SPUs it wants to the code as it runs through line by line. Not as efficient of course as manual construction, but it works fine. If you question what i've just said, go to the IBM website and do some research on how the Cell architecture works; it'll blow your mind.
If this rumor is true, it's not because the PS3 is any more expensive to develop for than the 360 (in actuality, the costs are similar) but rather they don't have the time to put out three different versions of their title. Time = money since they have to pay their employees, and being an independent developer they're probably not willing to hire 8 more guys to handle the work involved.
but look at Forza Motorsport 2! I guarentee, if the final product doesn't look on par or better they're going to pull a Killzone on the 360 supporters and laugh away. But either way, I can see this story as being possible considering that they're an independent developer that's only familiar with PC programming/design and doing 3 versions at once might be a little daunting. What boggles me is that it shouldn't cost that much to port their title to the PS3 since it runs C language code just fine. And programming for the SPUs, if they don't manually dedicate each processor to certain tasks, is actually automated by the system. Yeah, it's totally awesome. The Cell architecture actually ASSISTS laziness, haha. It can automatically dedicate whatever SPUs it wants to the code as it runs through line by line. Not as efficient of course as manual construction, but it works fine. If you question what i've just said, go to the IBM website and do some research on how the Cell architecture works; it'll blow your mind.
If this rumor is true, it's not because the PS3 is any more expensive to develop for than the 360 (in actuality, the costs are similar) but rather they don't have the time to put out three different versions of their title. Time = money since they have to pay their employees, and being an independent developer they're probably not willing to hire 8 more guys to handle the work involved.
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by Yaz (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» Pre-rendered trailers have been shown at game shows for YEARS!
"but look at Forza Motorsport 2! I guarentee, if the final product doesn't look on par or better they're going to pull a Killzone on the 360 supporters and laugh away."
At NO TIME did Microsoft claim Forza was realtime footage or presented it as if it was, so I fail to see your point. Killzone was presented as if it was realtime footage, and MANY actually believe it was, perhaps even yourself! (even though it was obviously pre-rendered). When ask if it was realtime during interviews, Sony continued to be evasive on the issue, never giving a clear answer even though they knew it was pre-rendered. So again, I fail to see your point.
Killzone didn't have the impact it had last year because it was a great trailer, it had the impact it had because many thought it was realtime, and therefore believed it was proof of the PS3's superiority over the 360.
"but look at Forza Motorsport 2! I guarentee, if the final product doesn't look on par or better they're going to pull a Killzone on the 360 supporters and laugh away."
At NO TIME did Microsoft claim Forza was realtime footage or presented it as if it was, so I fail to see your point. Killzone was presented as if it was realtime footage, and MANY actually believe it was, perhaps even yourself! (even though it was obviously pre-rendered). When ask if it was realtime during interviews, Sony continued to be evasive on the issue, never giving a clear answer even though they knew it was pre-rendered. So again, I fail to see your point.
Killzone didn't have the impact it had last year because it was a great trailer, it had the impact it had because many thought it was realtime, and therefore believed it was proof of the PS3's superiority over the 360.
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by DJ (Unregistered) - 2006-06-29 |
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» No...
It had the impact because people thought it was a great trailer AND that it was actual gameplay. And it wasn't just the graphics; it was the enemy and team AI as well as the quality of the animations that blew people away. The content in the video was made with Maya and Lightwave (even Guerilla said so), and as much as I want to believe that it was CG ( come on, there's no way our games are going to get that good that quickly....right?) there are at least a dozen blatant mistakes in the video that hint that it actually was gameplay. The published word is that the trailer was rendered 5 frames per second on the early PS3 they had, and then sped up for the show. Sony and Guerilla have repeatedly stated that it was gameplay, but not whether the video was recorded straight off the dev kit with no enhancements, or whether the data was recorded and prettied up afterwards, etc (there's a lot of possibilities). Point is, if they fail Sony's going to get mowed down by gamers as well as the press. And there's no way they would take that risk.
As for Forza, that trailer is all that MS has shown us and it looks a hell of a lot better than the games on their system so far. Thus, CG. Actually, I was surprised that they even bothered to show a CG sequence considering their strong stance on only showing gameplay footage. In fact, they may have started to realize that showing potentially sub-par gameplay footage might not be the best way to sell the 'awesome power' of their console, and that CG, while not completely honest, sells better. I mean, just look at the footage of the Too Human demo at E3. That was just horrid crap and definitely convinced me, as well as many others, not to buy it. Sony's taken a big risk showing target renders for the 3rd time in a row, but PS1 and PS2 games ended up surpassing their pre-launch target renders after about 3-4 years anyway. They have a lot of faith in their developers and I know they'll do everything in their power to make it possible.
It had the impact because people thought it was a great trailer AND that it was actual gameplay. And it wasn't just the graphics; it was the enemy and team AI as well as the quality of the animations that blew people away. The content in the video was made with Maya and Lightwave (even Guerilla said so), and as much as I want to believe that it was CG ( come on, there's no way our games are going to get that good that quickly....right?) there are at least a dozen blatant mistakes in the video that hint that it actually was gameplay. The published word is that the trailer was rendered 5 frames per second on the early PS3 they had, and then sped up for the show. Sony and Guerilla have repeatedly stated that it was gameplay, but not whether the video was recorded straight off the dev kit with no enhancements, or whether the data was recorded and prettied up afterwards, etc (there's a lot of possibilities). Point is, if they fail Sony's going to get mowed down by gamers as well as the press. And there's no way they would take that risk.
As for Forza, that trailer is all that MS has shown us and it looks a hell of a lot better than the games on their system so far. Thus, CG. Actually, I was surprised that they even bothered to show a CG sequence considering their strong stance on only showing gameplay footage. In fact, they may have started to realize that showing potentially sub-par gameplay footage might not be the best way to sell the 'awesome power' of their console, and that CG, while not completely honest, sells better. I mean, just look at the footage of the Too Human demo at E3. That was just horrid crap and definitely convinced me, as well as many others, not to buy it. Sony's taken a big risk showing target renders for the 3rd time in a row, but PS1 and PS2 games ended up surpassing their pre-launch target renders after about 3-4 years anyway. They have a lot of faith in their developers and I know they'll do everything in their power to make it possible.
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