Posted Dec 09, 2007 at 09:08AM by Isaac C.
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When both formats launched and hardware prices were high, we made a decision to support both formats and let the consumer decide. But now that hardware pricing is affordable for both Blu-ray and HD DVD, it appears consumers no longer want to decide - so the notion of staying in two formats for the duration is something we are re-evaluating now that we are in the fourth quarter. |
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by ~~ - 2007-12-09 |
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Only thing i can say is that I hope that WB joins the BD group and that this format war be over with.
Only thing i can say is that I hope that WB joins the BD group and that this format war be over with.
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by RexNox - 2007-12-09 |
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» Here's to hoping...
a lot of my fave movies are on distrib'd by WB.
a lot of my fave movies are on distrib'd by WB.
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by whaleshark - 2007-12-09 |
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» Wow.
i hope this happens. and maybe microsoft will see the light in blueray. that would be freakin awesome if microsoft went blue ray. but when that happens, hell would freeze over.
i hope this happens. and maybe microsoft will see the light in blueray. that would be freakin awesome if microsoft went blue ray. but when that happens, hell would freeze over.
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by wilmheath - 2007-12-09 |
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» Who cares
Who really cares just get this thing over with. I'm tired of hearing about it and i'm tired of hearing all the stupid sony fanboys that just want it to win because they heart the ps3. Great news and whatever happens I hope it's soon.
Who really cares just get this thing over with. I'm tired of hearing about it and i'm tired of hearing all the stupid sony fanboys that just want it to win because they heart the ps3. Great news and whatever happens I hope it's soon.
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Re: Someone_PR - 2007-12-09 |
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» well...
is just that every ps3 owner already have a HD player on their hands... why think in another player or in HD DVD? I have both the ps3 and the 360 but I will not buy the HD DVD add on because I already have the blu ray player... and believe me that every PS3 owner wants this stupid format war over... better for us... and better to the movie companies..
is just that every ps3 owner already have a HD player on their hands... why think in another player or in HD DVD? I have both the ps3 and the 360 but I will not buy the HD DVD add on because I already have the blu ray player... and believe me that every PS3 owner wants this stupid format war over... better for us... and better to the movie companies..
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Re: Stealth! - 2007-12-10 |
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» Not everyone on this site is a stupid sony fanboy.
So why start trouble and label Sony fans that is beyond me. I just want it to win cause i know Blu-ray is better than HD-DVD ts proven fact.
So why start trouble and label Sony fans that is beyond me. I just want it to win cause i know Blu-ray is better than HD-DVD ts proven fact.
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by Neko Kyu - 2007-12-09 |
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» meep o.o
it would be a little ironic come the next gen consoles... the NEW Xbox and the new Nintendo System (though knowing nintendo will take blu-ray, tweak the file system a bit and call it thier own propietory format i.e. the game cube and the Wii x.x) utilizes a Blu-Ray ROM drive.
The one reason i support blu-ray is for the fact that it utilizes a new technology. i support any company that wants to try a new innovative idea, just like how i am really excited for OLED technology. I beleive strongly in the further development of new innovations and ideas. It kind of bothers me when people just try to suck the life out of old technology, wasting resources trying to make an old thing better, when there are new roads available for them. I'm not necessarily bashing on HD-DVD for the fact it's based on the same technology and fabrication techniques as DVD. I respect it whole heartedly for being a decent format, but its just not very innovative...
(on a side note, that is why i actually supported the PS3 in the beggining due to its innovative Cell technology) but i see that the ps3 is NOT far superior to the xbox 360 even though the XBOX uses a more common CPU core.
in all honesty... im not entirely excited for either Blu-Ray OR HD-DVD to win... xD I REALLY want Holo discs to become mainstream :3 Now THATS a revolutionary technology!
Thanks all who actually took the time to read my opinion, and realize that im just stating an OPINION and am not trying to force my ideals on other people like alot of other regular posters ;D
it would be a little ironic come the next gen consoles... the NEW Xbox and the new Nintendo System (though knowing nintendo will take blu-ray, tweak the file system a bit and call it thier own propietory format i.e. the game cube and the Wii x.x) utilizes a Blu-Ray ROM drive.
The one reason i support blu-ray is for the fact that it utilizes a new technology. i support any company that wants to try a new innovative idea, just like how i am really excited for OLED technology. I beleive strongly in the further development of new innovations and ideas. It kind of bothers me when people just try to suck the life out of old technology, wasting resources trying to make an old thing better, when there are new roads available for them. I'm not necessarily bashing on HD-DVD for the fact it's based on the same technology and fabrication techniques as DVD. I respect it whole heartedly for being a decent format, but its just not very innovative...
(on a side note, that is why i actually supported the PS3 in the beggining due to its innovative Cell technology) but i see that the ps3 is NOT far superior to the xbox 360 even though the XBOX uses a more common CPU core.
in all honesty... im not entirely excited for either Blu-Ray OR HD-DVD to win... xD I REALLY want Holo discs to become mainstream :3 Now THATS a revolutionary technology!
Thanks all who actually took the time to read my opinion, and realize that im just stating an OPINION and am not trying to force my ideals on other people like alot of other regular posters ;D
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by Neko Kyu - 2007-12-09 |
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» Oh, i apologize! XD
its not called a holo disk! x3 I wiki'd it... its officially called Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD) :3
its not called a holo disk! x3 I wiki'd it... its officially called Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD) :3
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Re: jbondsr - 2007-12-09 |
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» Holographic Technology for the win
I agree.
In codecs and the like HD-DVD and Blu-ray are essentially the same, but Blu-ray is just physically a better format. I wish betamax would have won, but that's beside the point now.
I also have always thought too that it was too early to release a new format into the market. DVD sales were still going strong, and I don't believe there was much need/want on the consumer end for a new format. I mean, we barely saw any multi-DVD games like we saw multiple CD games back on the original PSX and PC games.
They should have just waited a few more years until most people catch up with the new HD screens, and went with Holographic technology. Write and access speeds are much faster the Blu-ray or HD-DVD, and the storage density is far far greater.
There was even a company developing data cards based on holo technology which I thought would be cool for a new format (since it doesn't have to be spinning to be read like CDs and DVDs) but they went under.
It's just companies these days are more interested in getting to the market first, regardless of if something better is out there.
I agree.
In codecs and the like HD-DVD and Blu-ray are essentially the same, but Blu-ray is just physically a better format. I wish betamax would have won, but that's beside the point now.
I also have always thought too that it was too early to release a new format into the market. DVD sales were still going strong, and I don't believe there was much need/want on the consumer end for a new format. I mean, we barely saw any multi-DVD games like we saw multiple CD games back on the original PSX and PC games.
They should have just waited a few more years until most people catch up with the new HD screens, and went with Holographic technology. Write and access speeds are much faster the Blu-ray or HD-DVD, and the storage density is far far greater.
There was even a company developing data cards based on holo technology which I thought would be cool for a new format (since it doesn't have to be spinning to be read like CDs and DVDs) but they went under.
It's just companies these days are more interested in getting to the market first, regardless of if something better is out there.
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by AoxomomoxoA - 2007-12-09 |
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» return
There're so many idi+ts like you who don’t even know the following knowledge; read the following to fill up your brain with facts.
Unlike console specific games, PC games always run badly (poorly, performance-wise) because PC games have to be compatible with hundreds of different PC specifications; but consoles games are optimized for one platform (because the developers are only making the game for one hardware, they can get the most out of the said console).
- PC with Windows operating systems: 60% of all system power (CPU, vid card, RAM, etc) are always used for the operating system and vital key components.
- Console: Almost all power is only used to run the game (so many mor+ns like you think a PC has better vid card (GPU power) than a console (PS3 or X360); no you d+mbf+ck, PC gaming is already dead; PS3’s vid card (RSX) is one year old, but still more powerful than currently the best PC vid card – nVidia GeForce 8K ultra (other versions are cheaper, ultra version is most expensive, and it’s $1,060 – tax inclusive), why? because GeForce 8K’s 60% of all power is always used for your OS (Windows); if you want to know exactly how powerful RSX is, it’s mentioned below.
Software! Software! Software!!!
When all those best, blockbuster, groundbreaking games are only made for consoles, there’s zero reason to waste away even $1 for PC in any regards. The best PC exclusive game is Garbagesis (Crysis).
I read a statistics months ago and it said about 99.5% of all PCs in the entire world are not suitable for 'power gaming' (only 0.002% of all PCs are considered as ‘cutting-edge gaming PCs’ which can run the newest PC games (for instance, Crysis) while maintaining both smooth frame rate and good graphics quality).
You must waste away several thousands of dollars if you want to build up (it means you buy parts separately) a ‘gaming PC’. Then you must waste thousands more bucks to upgrade parts annually!!! If you buy a console, let's say a PS3, this PS3 can last for 5+ years. Your PS3 even in 5 years can run all the newest and most demanding blockbuster games because of the reasons mentioned in this article.
In addition to that, a PS3 is only a few hundred dollars, but it includes groundbreaking technologies like Blu-ray player (the future!!!), Cell processor, RSX vid card (this vid card is more powerful then two nVidia GeForce 6K cards combined; one GeForce 6K card was $500 when it was first released!!!).
Cell chip! The best CPU for a PC is 'Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 Quad-Core' at $1,320 (tax inclusive, if you disagree and say we can buy a Quad-Core CPU for $800, then you illiterate (read the number, 6850) are talking about weaker versions which are below QX6850; and I’m talking about the most expensive version called QX6850). PC gaming industry is totally loser, why? because PS3's Cell processor is 9.8 times more powerful than this said Quad-Core garbage. PS3's CPU is as powerful as ten Intel's QX6850 Quad-Core CPUs combined.
There're so many idi+ts like you who don’t even know the following knowledge; read the following to fill up your brain with facts.
Unlike console specific games, PC games always run badly (poorly, performance-wise) because PC games have to be compatible with hundreds of different PC specifications; but consoles games are optimized for one platform (because the developers are only making the game for one hardware, they can get the most out of the said console).
- PC with Windows operating systems: 60% of all system power (CPU, vid card, RAM, etc) are always used for the operating system and vital key components.
- Console: Almost all power is only used to run the game (so many mor+ns like you think a PC has better vid card (GPU power) than a console (PS3 or X360); no you d+mbf+ck, PC gaming is already dead; PS3’s vid card (RSX) is one year old, but still more powerful than currently the best PC vid card – nVidia GeForce 8K ultra (other versions are cheaper, ultra version is most expensive, and it’s $1,060 – tax inclusive), why? because GeForce 8K’s 60% of all power is always used for your OS (Windows); if you want to know exactly how powerful RSX is, it’s mentioned below.
Software! Software! Software!!!
When all those best, blockbuster, groundbreaking games are only made for consoles, there’s zero reason to waste away even $1 for PC in any regards. The best PC exclusive game is Garbagesis (Crysis).
I read a statistics months ago and it said about 99.5% of all PCs in the entire world are not suitable for 'power gaming' (only 0.002% of all PCs are considered as ‘cutting-edge gaming PCs’ which can run the newest PC games (for instance, Crysis) while maintaining both smooth frame rate and good graphics quality).
You must waste away several thousands of dollars if you want to build up (it means you buy parts separately) a ‘gaming PC’. Then you must waste thousands more bucks to upgrade parts annually!!! If you buy a console, let's say a PS3, this PS3 can last for 5+ years. Your PS3 even in 5 years can run all the newest and most demanding blockbuster games because of the reasons mentioned in this article.
In addition to that, a PS3 is only a few hundred dollars, but it includes groundbreaking technologies like Blu-ray player (the future!!!), Cell processor, RSX vid card (this vid card is more powerful then two nVidia GeForce 6K cards combined; one GeForce 6K card was $500 when it was first released!!!).
Cell chip! The best CPU for a PC is 'Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 Quad-Core' at $1,320 (tax inclusive, if you disagree and say we can buy a Quad-Core CPU for $800, then you illiterate (read the number, 6850) are talking about weaker versions which are below QX6850; and I’m talking about the most expensive version called QX6850). PC gaming industry is totally loser, why? because PS3's Cell processor is 9.8 times more powerful than this said Quad-Core garbage. PS3's CPU is as powerful as ten Intel's QX6850 Quad-Core CPUs combined.
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Re: jbondsr - 2007-12-10 |
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» what?
Who is this aimed at?
I re-read the comments above and it didn't seem like anyone was bashing the PS3. This is about Blu-ray. Not PS3 vs. PC gaming.
Who is this aimed at?
I re-read the comments above and it didn't seem like anyone was bashing the PS3. This is about Blu-ray. Not PS3 vs. PC gaming.
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Re: na2rul - 2007-12-10 |
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» Woh i actualy missed this person
This place has lots of new ppl now.
But wtf is it with PC hatred all of a sudden lol
This place has lots of new ppl now.
But wtf is it with PC hatred all of a sudden lol
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by shabghai360 - 2007-12-10 |
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» does it matter?
DVD's will win. very simply by the time the format war is over and the 10% of the world population that can afford it have one we will have the next best tech. Blah blah blah.
High def via internet is readily available and in Countries developing fast the process of high speed connection is being well implemented.
A well produced DVD is still excellent and for most people the 52" plasma and flatscreen HD LCD is still a future purchase. For any format to gain the user base worldwide that DVD has right now will take more years than its replacement technology and that is a fact.
hi def video on demand and the ability to store locally is already advancing at a faster rate than sales of either format. Itunes from Apple is a moving force and major studios may well implement their own featured Hi def download centers.
As a child we had bookshelves but my children have dvd racks. With the ease of use the home centers with built in hard drives and the ability to download direct are becoming popular at a rate much faster than the need to buy a new disk drive regardless of what they call it.
IMO the whole format war is a smokescreen for the industry to sell more hardware to the consumer.
I for one have not burnt a cd for almost 2 years as the usb memory stick is quicker smaller and more efficient.
DVD's will win. very simply by the time the format war is over and the 10% of the world population that can afford it have one we will have the next best tech. Blah blah blah.
High def via internet is readily available and in Countries developing fast the process of high speed connection is being well implemented.
A well produced DVD is still excellent and for most people the 52" plasma and flatscreen HD LCD is still a future purchase. For any format to gain the user base worldwide that DVD has right now will take more years than its replacement technology and that is a fact.
hi def video on demand and the ability to store locally is already advancing at a faster rate than sales of either format. Itunes from Apple is a moving force and major studios may well implement their own featured Hi def download centers.
As a child we had bookshelves but my children have dvd racks. With the ease of use the home centers with built in hard drives and the ability to download direct are becoming popular at a rate much faster than the need to buy a new disk drive regardless of what they call it.
IMO the whole format war is a smokescreen for the industry to sell more hardware to the consumer.
I for one have not burnt a cd for almost 2 years as the usb memory stick is quicker smaller and more efficient.
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by the by - 2007-12-10 |
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» ur speaking pants!!!
@ shabghai360
ur speaking dribble!!!
dvd is last gen, we're on to the next one in case you have'nt noticed, allthough going by your username with 360 at the end, that explains everything really!!!
and how the hell can you say a well produced dvd on a 52" lcd is the same as HD disks??? its like comparing a mini to a BMW m3 series!!
the picture is just soooo much sharper! if you can't see that, then you should have gone to specsavers!!!
and as for memory sticks, ive not seen a 25gig memory stick that will hold hold a full film yet!!
@AoxomomoxoA
i never thought i would EVER say this, but i agree with your statement 100 percent!! the requirements for pc gaming are way to sparce to get the perfect gaming pc!! there are too many gpu cards on the go for a start!!! plus the fact that you would need to upgrade every year to keep up with modern games!!! better off with a stand alone system!!!! its called a games console!!
@ shabghai360
ur speaking dribble!!!
dvd is last gen, we're on to the next one in case you have'nt noticed, allthough going by your username with 360 at the end, that explains everything really!!!
and how the hell can you say a well produced dvd on a 52" lcd is the same as HD disks??? its like comparing a mini to a BMW m3 series!!
the picture is just soooo much sharper! if you can't see that, then you should have gone to specsavers!!!
and as for memory sticks, ive not seen a 25gig memory stick that will hold hold a full film yet!!
@AoxomomoxoA
i never thought i would EVER say this, but i agree with your statement 100 percent!! the requirements for pc gaming are way to sparce to get the perfect gaming pc!! there are too many gpu cards on the go for a start!!! plus the fact that you would need to upgrade every year to keep up with modern games!!! better off with a stand alone system!!!! its called a games console!!
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by dvdchas - 2007-12-10 |
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» Yes it does matter
Replying to the question does it matter... Yes it does!
Over the years i've bought a lot of dvd's. I still by them today. I watch them via an expensive upscalling denon dvd player on a new 1080p 50" plasma connected via hdmi. I also have a PS3 connected to that same screen.
Now let me tell you the comparison between blue ray and my upscalling dvd player is very obvious. Blue ray makes a massive improvement. When I consider that the dvd player cost me over 1.5 times more than the ps3 cost at launch... I wonder what i was thinking. Even as an upscalling dvd player the ps3 isn't bad. if you love your movies and have a decent screen then upgrade to blue-ray. you wont be disapointed. it even comes with a free games machine.
Rob
Replying to the question does it matter... Yes it does!
Over the years i've bought a lot of dvd's. I still by them today. I watch them via an expensive upscalling denon dvd player on a new 1080p 50" plasma connected via hdmi. I also have a PS3 connected to that same screen.
Now let me tell you the comparison between blue ray and my upscalling dvd player is very obvious. Blue ray makes a massive improvement. When I consider that the dvd player cost me over 1.5 times more than the ps3 cost at launch... I wonder what i was thinking. Even as an upscalling dvd player the ps3 isn't bad. if you love your movies and have a decent screen then upgrade to blue-ray. you wont be disapointed. it even comes with a free games machine.
Rob
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by the by - 2007-12-10 |
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» er sorry!!!
i just re-read shabghai360's post and realised he was'nt saying what i thought he was!!!
he was'nt comparing a dvd to a HD disk on a 52" plasma tv!!!
but i stick with the rest of my above post, and i think the future is now, HD disks are here, and people will embrace it before long, and before downloadable HD, and before memory sticks reach a size that can take a HD film!!! bring it on!!!
i just re-read shabghai360's post and realised he was'nt saying what i thought he was!!!
he was'nt comparing a dvd to a HD disk on a 52" plasma tv!!!
but i stick with the rest of my above post, and i think the future is now, HD disks are here, and people will embrace it before long, and before downloadable HD, and before memory sticks reach a size that can take a HD film!!! bring it on!!!
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Re: shabghai360 - 2007-12-11 |
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» what matters?
Sorry if my post was not very clear. I would agree that blu ray is a better format but do I need it? Well my dvd's will not play better as they are already at their max. HD video content which both formats HD DVD and Blu ray deliver is also available via internet. I am in China and a 2mb connection is very common so access to quality video is not an issue. The issue is the release date of that available video content. Hence my thoughts that the future will have far more content on offer as a direct pay for download. It is for these reasons that i feel that the format war is really just a joke for the masses. Many still have perfectly good functioning TV's and the image quality will remain very high for a few more years which negates the need for many consumers to upgrade to what is being touted as the next and best. My reference to the usb stick was purely to emphasize the fact that these days I have no use for my blank cd's that a few years ago I could not live without. This was merely to point out that technology is offering a lot at a very fast rate (short timespan) I therefore feel that gamers who choose for PS3 do have a real advantage with the blu ray for the time being. I feel the need for the blu ray or HD DVD for video content will lessen in the future as this content will be available via other sources and that the convenience of storing locally on a hard drive is the future. I myself already have much of my DVD content transferred to standalone hard drives which I can hook up with a sinple usb cable to my console or directly to my flatscreen via the Denon receiver. What I am doing with hard drives is not eccentric as many of my friends and colleges do the same. Its very economical these days and saves lots of space. Access to content is fast and painless. It is for these reasons that I truly feel that by the time one format wins and is widely adopted by the masses this technology will already be replaced.
As a quick point to the comments from dvdchas about a 50 gig ???
I have seen 500gig for as low as 185 USD.
With regards to his statement that if you have, well thats the whole point of my post really. Many do not have and will need before the next choice of HD or BR is to be made. I in no way knock the tech but I do knock the way we are being programmed by the media and advertising to purchase something for Hi Def video and film which is already available without a disc plus disc drive and will become more readily available in the future.
Sorry if my post was not very clear. I would agree that blu ray is a better format but do I need it? Well my dvd's will not play better as they are already at their max. HD video content which both formats HD DVD and Blu ray deliver is also available via internet. I am in China and a 2mb connection is very common so access to quality video is not an issue. The issue is the release date of that available video content. Hence my thoughts that the future will have far more content on offer as a direct pay for download. It is for these reasons that i feel that the format war is really just a joke for the masses. Many still have perfectly good functioning TV's and the image quality will remain very high for a few more years which negates the need for many consumers to upgrade to what is being touted as the next and best. My reference to the usb stick was purely to emphasize the fact that these days I have no use for my blank cd's that a few years ago I could not live without. This was merely to point out that technology is offering a lot at a very fast rate (short timespan) I therefore feel that gamers who choose for PS3 do have a real advantage with the blu ray for the time being. I feel the need for the blu ray or HD DVD for video content will lessen in the future as this content will be available via other sources and that the convenience of storing locally on a hard drive is the future. I myself already have much of my DVD content transferred to standalone hard drives which I can hook up with a sinple usb cable to my console or directly to my flatscreen via the Denon receiver. What I am doing with hard drives is not eccentric as many of my friends and colleges do the same. Its very economical these days and saves lots of space. Access to content is fast and painless. It is for these reasons that I truly feel that by the time one format wins and is widely adopted by the masses this technology will already be replaced.
As a quick point to the comments from dvdchas about a 50 gig ???
I have seen 500gig for as low as 185 USD.
With regards to his statement that if you have, well thats the whole point of my post really. Many do not have and will need before the next choice of HD or BR is to be made. I in no way knock the tech but I do knock the way we are being programmed by the media and advertising to purchase something for Hi Def video and film which is already available without a disc plus disc drive and will become more readily available in the future.
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by dvdchas - 2007-12-10 |
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» Mainstream?
Do consumers want HD?
Well all those people that are currently spending hundreds if not thousands of pounds on new lcd's and plasmas probably do. Assuming they can grasp that nornal dvd and normal telly is not hd.
its mainstream enough for major satalite companies like sky and cable comanies like virgin media to bring out hd boxes and channels.
blue-ray will probably never be as big as dvd or even vcr was, but thats not to say it won't be successful. hd video is here to stay.
p.s. dont start on the download it option. your not gonna be able to keep many 10gig films on a hard disk let alone 50gig
Do consumers want HD?
Well all those people that are currently spending hundreds if not thousands of pounds on new lcd's and plasmas probably do. Assuming they can grasp that nornal dvd and normal telly is not hd.
its mainstream enough for major satalite companies like sky and cable comanies like virgin media to bring out hd boxes and channels.
blue-ray will probably never be as big as dvd or even vcr was, but thats not to say it won't be successful. hd video is here to stay.
p.s. dont start on the download it option. your not gonna be able to keep many 10gig films on a hard disk let alone 50gig
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by Mister Common Sense - 2007-12-10 |
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Every studio should go/stay dual format, then everyone's happy.
The whole exclusivity thing sucks, period.
Every studio should go/stay dual format, then everyone's happy.
The whole exclusivity thing sucks, period.
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Considering that HD DVD and Bluray both use blue lasers, and the same encoders, there isn't a reason why they shouldn't release on both formats.
Considering that HD DVD and Bluray both use blue lasers, and the same encoders, there isn't a reason why they shouldn't release on both formats.
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by Henkibojj - 2007-12-10 |
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» Consoles are the future
About being interested in next-gen or not (this is not a reply to any post in particular):
I've always been last-gen to wait for the prices to drop, for the technology to develop, to check what format will "win", etc, and all I can say is; I'M SICK OF IT!!
I bought my PS3 a month ago and I was (am) dead certain it was a good investment. Why? PC gaming is incredibly expensive if you want to keep your PC up to date. So you got a brand new GFX card, hooray. Next month, quarter, or at least next year, it will be too old to run the games on the shelves. I feel that people keep looking at me as if I was some sort of freak, spending all that cash on a gaming console. For those willing to listen, I keep trying to explain that it isn't just a gaming console; it's a media station. It plays MP3s, CDs, DVDs, shows pictures, has a webbrowser, streams data from the home PC, but most importantly: It plays BluRay discs.
"Oh, here we go again", says everyone who's tired of Mr. Hirai's speeches. Well, so am I, but it is true. My parents keep hunting a good HDTV to get better picture (well, our old TV is.. old, by this time). What they don't seem to understand is that they'll never get better picture, at least not in HD format. We don't have a cable or satellite TV, we have these digital transformers you stick a normal antenna into and get """"digital"""" picture. The image quality is pure cr4p - it's incredible the brodcasting companies are even allowed to broadcast with such low bitrate. My parents have no HD camera, no HD-DVD player, no BR player and no digital TV reciever. Yet they believe they will get a much better picture, in HD quality, by just buying a new TV. What they don't get is that without a digital HD source, the HD reciever (i.e. the HDTV) won't give a better signal than before. With a PS3 on the other hand, it will.
All this might seem offtopic of course, but what I want to say is, a DVD player isn't enough. NOW is the time to go into the next generation, because I've done enough waiting for earlier generations to enhance enough. If you don't jump on the train now, you'll be left behind. The time has never been better to take the leap now; don't wait for either BR or HD-DVD to win, because I believe neither will. There was a previous article on QJ where someone said BR and HD-DVD will coexist, instead of one outselling the other. That's what I believe too; when was the last time there was a format war where one outsold the other? I can't recall it happened very recently.
On another forum, there was a similar discussion. I can summarize it with: If you're in for HD films, buy a Bluray since it has more possibilities. And when you're in for Bluray, go for a PS3 unless you're a real film lover. I really like the XMB interface, it has enhanced very much since the PSP's XMB was introduced. For most average film fans, the PS3 is definitely good enough and you'll get a gaming console "for free". However, if you like advanced options (like favorite chapters, angle/audio mixings, zooming in on paused frames) and if you're a true film fan with high demands on hardware and software, I believe a standalone BR-player would be the choice for you.
Thanks for reading =)
About being interested in next-gen or not (this is not a reply to any post in particular):
I've always been last-gen to wait for the prices to drop, for the technology to develop, to check what format will "win", etc, and all I can say is; I'M SICK OF IT!!
I bought my PS3 a month ago and I was (am) dead certain it was a good investment. Why? PC gaming is incredibly expensive if you want to keep your PC up to date. So you got a brand new GFX card, hooray. Next month, quarter, or at least next year, it will be too old to run the games on the shelves. I feel that people keep looking at me as if I was some sort of freak, spending all that cash on a gaming console. For those willing to listen, I keep trying to explain that it isn't just a gaming console; it's a media station. It plays MP3s, CDs, DVDs, shows pictures, has a webbrowser, streams data from the home PC, but most importantly: It plays BluRay discs.
"Oh, here we go again", says everyone who's tired of Mr. Hirai's speeches. Well, so am I, but it is true. My parents keep hunting a good HDTV to get better picture (well, our old TV is.. old, by this time). What they don't seem to understand is that they'll never get better picture, at least not in HD format. We don't have a cable or satellite TV, we have these digital transformers you stick a normal antenna into and get """"digital"""" picture. The image quality is pure cr4p - it's incredible the brodcasting companies are even allowed to broadcast with such low bitrate. My parents have no HD camera, no HD-DVD player, no BR player and no digital TV reciever. Yet they believe they will get a much better picture, in HD quality, by just buying a new TV. What they don't get is that without a digital HD source, the HD reciever (i.e. the HDTV) won't give a better signal than before. With a PS3 on the other hand, it will.
All this might seem offtopic of course, but what I want to say is, a DVD player isn't enough. NOW is the time to go into the next generation, because I've done enough waiting for earlier generations to enhance enough. If you don't jump on the train now, you'll be left behind. The time has never been better to take the leap now; don't wait for either BR or HD-DVD to win, because I believe neither will. There was a previous article on QJ where someone said BR and HD-DVD will coexist, instead of one outselling the other. That's what I believe too; when was the last time there was a format war where one outsold the other? I can't recall it happened very recently.
On another forum, there was a similar discussion. I can summarize it with: If you're in for HD films, buy a Bluray since it has more possibilities. And when you're in for Bluray, go for a PS3 unless you're a real film lover. I really like the XMB interface, it has enhanced very much since the PSP's XMB was introduced. For most average film fans, the PS3 is definitely good enough and you'll get a gaming console "for free". However, if you like advanced options (like favorite chapters, angle/audio mixings, zooming in on paused frames) and if you're a true film fan with high demands on hardware and software, I believe a standalone BR-player would be the choice for you.
Thanks for reading =)
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I whole heartedly agree! (also i was wondering about the picture quality of digital broadcast... meh, now i know what to expect at least >_>)
One thing people should remember though... is that a key factor that played in DVD's success was the sales of the Playstation 2 and its ability to play the "New and revolutionary Video disk technology" [on another side note however... the DVD didnt have a competing disk format either i suppose xD ------VCD doesnt count x_____x and neither does laser Disk >_>;;;;-------]
I whole heartedly agree! (also i was wondering about the picture quality of digital broadcast... meh, now i know what to expect at least >_>)
One thing people should remember though... is that a key factor that played in DVD's success was the sales of the Playstation 2 and its ability to play the "New and revolutionary Video disk technology" [on another side note however... the DVD didnt have a competing disk format either i suppose xD ------VCD doesnt count x_____x and neither does laser Disk >_>;;;;-------]
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» not quite correct
what is stated about broadcast HD content is untrue. It may be true of a couple of vendors but in many geographical locations with the correct components a true Hi def content is available. Your comments with regard to the PS3 are valid, anyone with a HD screen and a lover of film does get a free gaming console.
That you are sick of the format war is fine as it is your opinion. For myself I really do not worry about it. What I find relevant is your Subject header.
Consoles are the future
I would agree with this for the simple reason "CONSOLE" The video recorder was good for its time as cable TV was not a real standard and if you missed what you wanted to see it was bad luck. Today with so many channels and the fact that the tv consoles are just becoming more available we as consumers have a larger choice of options. Games consoles are offering downloadable content and film as a sideline as they realize the potential. However consoles dedicated for the reception and ability to record direct to hard drive are becoming more sophisticated and more readily accepted.
what is stated about broadcast HD content is untrue. It may be true of a couple of vendors but in many geographical locations with the correct components a true Hi def content is available. Your comments with regard to the PS3 are valid, anyone with a HD screen and a lover of film does get a free gaming console.
That you are sick of the format war is fine as it is your opinion. For myself I really do not worry about it. What I find relevant is your Subject header.
Consoles are the future
I would agree with this for the simple reason "CONSOLE" The video recorder was good for its time as cable TV was not a real standard and if you missed what you wanted to see it was bad luck. Today with so many channels and the fact that the tv consoles are just becoming more available we as consumers have a larger choice of options. Games consoles are offering downloadable content and film as a sideline as they realize the potential. However consoles dedicated for the reception and ability to record direct to hard drive are becoming more sophisticated and more readily accepted.
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» Not quite incorrect either
"What is stated about HD broadcast is untrue". Well, the thing is, it isn't HD content at all, and isn't claimed to be HD either. If I want HD-quality TV broadcasting, I can either get it by cable or satellite, or sometimes via broadband. What my parents have is neither - they have a digital decoder you plug into the antenna on top of the TV to get "digital" (i.e. NOT HD) TV broadcasting. So, if it was HD content I was talking about, I guess it would be untrue. However, it's not HD I'm talking about, and our TV service provider has never claimed it would be HD. In Sweden, we're having a national transition to digital TV (HD or not), as the old analog system is being shut down regionwise. When my region was shut down, I immediately noticed the terrible difference between analog and the cheapest digital TV option available, i.e. digital decoders. THAT's what looks horrible and has low bitrate, not HD broadcasting. Read my first text again:
"My parents have no HD camera, no HD-DVD player, no BR player and no digital TV reciever."
Ah, of course. I should have been more clarifying, sorry. What I meant was "...and no HD TV reciever". They do have a digital reciever, but it's really bad quality and as far away from HD you can come.
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"That you are sick of the format war is fine as it is your opinion. For myself I really do not worry about it." Well, I'm not really sick of the BR vs HD-DVD format war as it has hardly started, and that I have already chosen side. What I am sick of is being last-gen all the time, so I got a PS3 and I am deadly satisfied with it since I no longer have to be last-gen for at least another five or six years. All that remains right now is to get a good HDTV, which I intend to do around christmas. Perhaps after christmas and before new years eve, because that's when all the prices drop.
"What is stated about HD broadcast is untrue". Well, the thing is, it isn't HD content at all, and isn't claimed to be HD either. If I want HD-quality TV broadcasting, I can either get it by cable or satellite, or sometimes via broadband. What my parents have is neither - they have a digital decoder you plug into the antenna on top of the TV to get "digital" (i.e. NOT HD) TV broadcasting. So, if it was HD content I was talking about, I guess it would be untrue. However, it's not HD I'm talking about, and our TV service provider has never claimed it would be HD. In Sweden, we're having a national transition to digital TV (HD or not), as the old analog system is being shut down regionwise. When my region was shut down, I immediately noticed the terrible difference between analog and the cheapest digital TV option available, i.e. digital decoders. THAT's what looks horrible and has low bitrate, not HD broadcasting. Read my first text again:
"My parents have no HD camera, no HD-DVD player, no BR player and no digital TV reciever."
Ah, of course. I should have been more clarifying, sorry. What I meant was "...and no HD TV reciever". They do have a digital reciever, but it's really bad quality and as far away from HD you can come.
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"That you are sick of the format war is fine as it is your opinion. For myself I really do not worry about it." Well, I'm not really sick of the BR vs HD-DVD format war as it has hardly started, and that I have already chosen side. What I am sick of is being last-gen all the time, so I got a PS3 and I am deadly satisfied with it since I no longer have to be last-gen for at least another five or six years. All that remains right now is to get a good HDTV, which I intend to do around christmas. Perhaps after christmas and before new years eve, because that's when all the prices drop.
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» digital
correct a digital receiver will only relay the signal that is being broadcast. If your vendor should broadcast Hi Def as is being done by many other vendors (for a price) then the story does not stop there as you will also need a tv capable of using HD. That you have the ability to get a HD TV is great and i wish you a lot of pleasure with it. I have a 42" HDTV soft screen and I love it. My comments with regard to the new gen are not anti this gen but more an opinion based upon my thoughts about this technology. I often promote through design and supervision of the building and implementation of exhibitions to enable the public to see what they can get go back to the first widescreen and HD prototypes from Philips at the Berlin Hotel in Germany as far back as 1995/6
I was also a part of the exhibiting team for the first Plasma TV also from Philips. There was a mention of the laser disc, also Philips and 10 years before its time and eventually was re developed and progressed to the CD and DVD which are also from Philips. Sony had the honour of being the first to sell it but its tech was Philips. Sounds like a Philips promo, my apologies. My point is that what is now just getting to be mainstream has taken a long time to get here and Blu Ray as a technology is also several years old.
Hence my very first comment that the format war came and went and it was the DVD that was the winner. I truly believe that those who have the means can enjoy HD DVD or Blu-ray or both. My concern is that technology which just like time "it waits for no man" is moving so fast forward that by the time the maket may be ready to adopt a new gen that the masses can afford it will already be surpassed. My comments are aimed at those not on the fence as to which format to choose from but more at those who are trying to save enough money to jump on the HD circuit. I am convinced that those that wait a little longer will be rewarded and for those of us with enough money it really does not matter.
regards
john
correct a digital receiver will only relay the signal that is being broadcast. If your vendor should broadcast Hi Def as is being done by many other vendors (for a price) then the story does not stop there as you will also need a tv capable of using HD. That you have the ability to get a HD TV is great and i wish you a lot of pleasure with it. I have a 42" HDTV soft screen and I love it. My comments with regard to the new gen are not anti this gen but more an opinion based upon my thoughts about this technology. I often promote through design and supervision of the building and implementation of exhibitions to enable the public to see what they can get go back to the first widescreen and HD prototypes from Philips at the Berlin Hotel in Germany as far back as 1995/6
I was also a part of the exhibiting team for the first Plasma TV also from Philips. There was a mention of the laser disc, also Philips and 10 years before its time and eventually was re developed and progressed to the CD and DVD which are also from Philips. Sony had the honour of being the first to sell it but its tech was Philips. Sounds like a Philips promo, my apologies. My point is that what is now just getting to be mainstream has taken a long time to get here and Blu Ray as a technology is also several years old.
Hence my very first comment that the format war came and went and it was the DVD that was the winner. I truly believe that those who have the means can enjoy HD DVD or Blu-ray or both. My concern is that technology which just like time "it waits for no man" is moving so fast forward that by the time the maket may be ready to adopt a new gen that the masses can afford it will already be surpassed. My comments are aimed at those not on the fence as to which format to choose from but more at those who are trying to save enough money to jump on the HD circuit. I am convinced that those that wait a little longer will be rewarded and for those of us with enough money it really does not matter.
regards
john
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» Wait a little longer?
(Risk of blabbing occurs in the end of this post =P )
"I am convinced that those that wait a little longer will be rewarded and for those of us with enough money it really does not matter." Well, this is my (past) problem. I've waited so long for technology to develop, prices to drop and formats to win, that I have never had "the best". Staying last gen (for whatever it might be: not take the leap to DVDs, not pick a widescreen TV, not pick a HD TV, not buying the coolest of the coolest in PC tech, and so on) is very frustrating. Buying a PS3 was the biggest "leap" I've done in years, and this time I know it was worth it. Not too many years ago, you had to pay 5000 SEK (Swedish crowns, today equal to 760 USD) to get a DVD player - note, PLAYER. Today it's not uncommon to find DVD players for 500 SEK (76 USD), although they aren't that top notch. I bought my PS3 a month ago for 5600 SEK (855 USD), and that is still not that awful considering the launch price for the PS3 - not Starter Pack - in Sweden was crazy: 7000 SEK (almost 1070 US Dollars!!!). I can only imagine the staring looks I would get upon me if I bought it then.
I chose the 60 GB version to get "the best of the best", because it was, how should I put this... a true satisfaction to FINALLY have a monster console in my possession. When I heard the news of the 40 GB version replacing the 60 GB, I was very unpleased. I was thinking of buying the PS3 in February or so, to let the price drop. But no, I had to get the 60GB v before it was too late. I bet I could have saved around 200 dollars by waiting, but PS2 backwards compability was a must-have, since I've stayed last-gen in that aspect too: I have never had a console before the PS3, except for a PSP. No Atari, no NES, no SNES, no C64, no Dreamcast, no GC, no Playstation 1 and no PS2 either. Can you imagine the feeling of never being able to play what all the other kids are talking about all the time? (Well, kids... by that time, I was a kid. Now I'm almost 20.) My computer games have always been at least two years old to make it even playable. I find myself playing games from 1999 all over and over again. There's basically no games in my shelves that haven't been completed at least twice. Sure, there's nothing wrong with Warcraft 2 or Starcraft, they're great games with wonderful music, but it's not like playing CoD4 or the like, with stunning graphics. I'm looking forward to playing Drakes Fortune and Grand Theft Auto IV in full HD =D
Side note: I'm a true fan of the GTA series, and I believe the reason I play those games so much is because my computer can handle it. I've played them so much, I know every corner of the cities, all the secrets, all the soundtracks and many of the radio station talkshows by heart. I've become one of the few responsible of Sweden's biggest GTA site, because I know so much about the games. Tragic or not, I cannot tell. Really good games, but the graphics aren't that awesome. Another reason for the PS3. The games are good, no questions asked, but I'm fed up with playing them over and over again just because my computer can't handle anything with higher hardware requirements.
Ah, fudge it. I don't know what I wanted to be said with this post, I guess you could sum it up by saying I'm glad to finally be in the generation I should be.
=P
(Risk of blabbing occurs in the end of this post =P )
"I am convinced that those that wait a little longer will be rewarded and for those of us with enough money it really does not matter." Well, this is my (past) problem. I've waited so long for technology to develop, prices to drop and formats to win, that I have never had "the best". Staying last gen (for whatever it might be: not take the leap to DVDs, not pick a widescreen TV, not pick a HD TV, not buying the coolest of the coolest in PC tech, and so on) is very frustrating. Buying a PS3 was the biggest "leap" I've done in years, and this time I know it was worth it. Not too many years ago, you had to pay 5000 SEK (Swedish crowns, today equal to 760 USD) to get a DVD player - note, PLAYER. Today it's not uncommon to find DVD players for 500 SEK (76 USD), although they aren't that top notch. I bought my PS3 a month ago for 5600 SEK (855 USD), and that is still not that awful considering the launch price for the PS3 - not Starter Pack - in Sweden was crazy: 7000 SEK (almost 1070 US Dollars!!!). I can only imagine the staring looks I would get upon me if I bought it then.
I chose the 60 GB version to get "the best of the best", because it was, how should I put this... a true satisfaction to FINALLY have a monster console in my possession. When I heard the news of the 40 GB version replacing the 60 GB, I was very unpleased. I was thinking of buying the PS3 in February or so, to let the price drop. But no, I had to get the 60GB v before it was too late. I bet I could have saved around 200 dollars by waiting, but PS2 backwards compability was a must-have, since I've stayed last-gen in that aspect too: I have never had a console before the PS3, except for a PSP. No Atari, no NES, no SNES, no C64, no Dreamcast, no GC, no Playstation 1 and no PS2 either. Can you imagine the feeling of never being able to play what all the other kids are talking about all the time? (Well, kids... by that time, I was a kid. Now I'm almost 20.) My computer games have always been at least two years old to make it even playable. I find myself playing games from 1999 all over and over again. There's basically no games in my shelves that haven't been completed at least twice. Sure, there's nothing wrong with Warcraft 2 or Starcraft, they're great games with wonderful music, but it's not like playing CoD4 or the like, with stunning graphics. I'm looking forward to playing Drakes Fortune and Grand Theft Auto IV in full HD =D
Side note: I'm a true fan of the GTA series, and I believe the reason I play those games so much is because my computer can handle it. I've played them so much, I know every corner of the cities, all the secrets, all the soundtracks and many of the radio station talkshows by heart. I've become one of the few responsible of Sweden's biggest GTA site, because I know so much about the games. Tragic or not, I cannot tell. Really good games, but the graphics aren't that awesome. Another reason for the PS3. The games are good, no questions asked, but I'm fed up with playing them over and over again just because my computer can't handle anything with higher hardware requirements.
Ah, fudge it. I don't know what I wanted to be said with this post, I guess you could sum it up by saying I'm glad to finally be in the generation I should be.
=P
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» pure pleasure
Sweden is well known for its high taxes on luxury goods. That you went for the PS3 60 GIG is your right and your privelege. I am 100% sure that you will get value for your money in time due to the level of entertainment value. When you have the flatscreen HDTV you will be impressed and then the next step will be the good quality dolby system to enjoy the atmospherics and sound.
That you have the ability to do this and that many of us have this is already is proof that this new gen tech is big business.
What I find irritating is the market and not its consumers or options. The market has this awful habit of making something available but at a speed that the next level is already possible but held back to ensure the maximum financial gain from us the consumers. For most people money is easier to spend than it is to earn.
My comment, "does it really matter" may have come across as a little blunt. The real point is that for those that have money they make a choice and purchase. If the format of choice should not win out they then purchase the alternative. For most people it is a waiting game not in respect to see who wins but a financial situation where they need to wait until such time as that they have enough money to invest in the required hardware. The console of choice of HD DVD or Blu Ray is just one part of the list of required items. Outside of games the market is trying to tell us who gives the best video quailty which when looked at technically there is almost no difference. However Blu Ray as an option has not just more storage capacity but more practical possibilities. The HD DVD is cheaper. In this aspect I Dislike the marketing and flame wars over the 2 formats as they cloud the air and outside of gamers and internet savvy people the masses are convinced that they will need one or the other to enjoy HD film and video. This is untrue as the HD content via the internet is relatively new and is expanding very rapidly. This causes me to think that by the time the format war is over and the masses have been educated to have the new gen for film and video they will have something that they never really needed. HD video receivers etc will be freely available with internal drives. Pay to rent and Pay to own will be implemented. As we are both interested in Games then the format issue is a secondary item. I have the 360 (purely as I like Halo) I do feel that MS have the better games right now but I am convinced that the BR would have been a better choice of drive.
The real point here is that those of us that can go next gen right now can enjoy the benefits of this tech but the timespan is short and that the big companies getting their knickers in a twist trying to win the money from consumers will be over before they no it.
Blu ray without doubt will be the new standard in PC's. I am convinced that it is the format of choice in the next gen game consoles or at the very least a drive that reads all formats.
The market trying to sell it for video and film is in many ways a dying industry as video on demand and high speed connections offer a greater ease of use. Just as an example I travelled Europe with Ericsson showing a refrigerartor with built in touch screen which was designed to enable the housewife to place orders online direct with the local supermarket. To make it even more crazy the fridge would have sensors built in so that when only 2 eggs remained in the egg shelf 6 more would be automatically added to your shopping list. This was in 1999/2000.
Anyway, I wish you a great new year and with the PS3 hooked up to a good HDTV i am sure that your gaming will be a great experience.
Sweden is well known for its high taxes on luxury goods. That you went for the PS3 60 GIG is your right and your privelege. I am 100% sure that you will get value for your money in time due to the level of entertainment value. When you have the flatscreen HDTV you will be impressed and then the next step will be the good quality dolby system to enjoy the atmospherics and sound.
That you have the ability to do this and that many of us have this is already is proof that this new gen tech is big business.
What I find irritating is the market and not its consumers or options. The market has this awful habit of making something available but at a speed that the next level is already possible but held back to ensure the maximum financial gain from us the consumers. For most people money is easier to spend than it is to earn.
My comment, "does it really matter" may have come across as a little blunt. The real point is that for those that have money they make a choice and purchase. If the format of choice should not win out they then purchase the alternative. For most people it is a waiting game not in respect to see who wins but a financial situation where they need to wait until such time as that they have enough money to invest in the required hardware. The console of choice of HD DVD or Blu Ray is just one part of the list of required items. Outside of games the market is trying to tell us who gives the best video quailty which when looked at technically there is almost no difference. However Blu Ray as an option has not just more storage capacity but more practical possibilities. The HD DVD is cheaper. In this aspect I Dislike the marketing and flame wars over the 2 formats as they cloud the air and outside of gamers and internet savvy people the masses are convinced that they will need one or the other to enjoy HD film and video. This is untrue as the HD content via the internet is relatively new and is expanding very rapidly. This causes me to think that by the time the format war is over and the masses have been educated to have the new gen for film and video they will have something that they never really needed. HD video receivers etc will be freely available with internal drives. Pay to rent and Pay to own will be implemented. As we are both interested in Games then the format issue is a secondary item. I have the 360 (purely as I like Halo) I do feel that MS have the better games right now but I am convinced that the BR would have been a better choice of drive.
The real point here is that those of us that can go next gen right now can enjoy the benefits of this tech but the timespan is short and that the big companies getting their knickers in a twist trying to win the money from consumers will be over before they no it.
Blu ray without doubt will be the new standard in PC's. I am convinced that it is the format of choice in the next gen game consoles or at the very least a drive that reads all formats.
The market trying to sell it for video and film is in many ways a dying industry as video on demand and high speed connections offer a greater ease of use. Just as an example I travelled Europe with Ericsson showing a refrigerartor with built in touch screen which was designed to enable the housewife to place orders online direct with the local supermarket. To make it even more crazy the fridge would have sensors built in so that when only 2 eggs remained in the egg shelf 6 more would be automatically added to your shopping list. This was in 1999/2000.
Anyway, I wish you a great new year and with the PS3 hooked up to a good HDTV i am sure that your gaming will be a great experience.
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by Henkibojj - 2007-12-13 |
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» Merry Christmas
"Anyway, I wish you a great new year and with the PS3 hooked up to a good HDTV i am sure that your gaming will be a great experience."
Thanks, and Merry Christmas =) It has been a nice discussion, it has been a long time since I had such a long and good discussion - at least in English =)
"Anyway, I wish you a great new year and with the PS3 hooked up to a good HDTV i am sure that your gaming will be a great experience."
Thanks, and Merry Christmas =) It has been a nice discussion, it has been a long time since I had such a long and good discussion - at least in English =)
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