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by Eclipze_ - 2007-10-30 |
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» Yeap
So far PS3 games have been using the one layer. The future games (like im pretty sure killzone 2 and metal gear 4) are going to use the 2 layer.
Its said that there using a different type of blu-ray disk for the smaller projects, but when the big games hit that take up lots of memory there going to switch to the other blu-ray with more space on it.
And this game dosnt look intresting to me. I hate how the story is set with like indiana jones type of thing. My kind of games are like metal gears story.
So far PS3 games have been using the one layer. The future games (like im pretty sure killzone 2 and metal gear 4) are going to use the 2 layer.
Its said that there using a different type of blu-ray disk for the smaller projects, but when the big games hit that take up lots of memory there going to switch to the other blu-ray with more space on it.
And this game dosnt look intresting to me. I hate how the story is set with like indiana jones type of thing. My kind of games are like metal gears story.
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by RavenSPe - 2007-10-30 |
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» Cannot wait
This game is looking gorgeous in every video I have seen. Can't wait to see it in HD and it looks like the game play is very diverse as well.
This game is looking gorgeous in every video I have seen. Can't wait to see it in HD and it looks like the game play is very diverse as well.
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by McAwesome - 2007-10-30 |
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» I'm with you RavenSPe
This is yet another must-buy for PS3!
This is yet another must-buy for PS3!
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Re: na2rul - 2007-10-31 |
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» same 4 me
its jus lacking in hype coz this 1 deserves it
its jus lacking in hype coz this 1 deserves it
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by BrendanL - 2007-10-30 |
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» Title
In the title of this article you spelt uncharted wrong.
In the title of this article you spelt uncharted wrong.
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by DVSDevise - 2007-10-30 |
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» ...
Yes and Mass Effect is only possible on DVD because the PS3 has a slow reading Blu-Ray drive.
Yes and Mass Effect is only possible on DVD because the PS3 has a slow reading Blu-Ray drive.
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Re: blkthunda - 2007-10-31 |
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» ....
dude, does it offend you that this game is only for PS3? They didn't mention anything about Mass Effect. They could've put this game on a DVD if they wanted to but they have to compress it to fit into a DVD.
dude, does it offend you that this game is only for PS3? They didn't mention anything about Mass Effect. They could've put this game on a DVD if they wanted to but they have to compress it to fit into a DVD.
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Re: DVSDevise - 2007-10-31 |
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No it doesn't offend me. I just think it's lame that Sony seems to require that it's developers say [insert title created for PS3] is not possible on anything other then the PS3 because [A). Blu-Ray B) The Power of Cell C) All of the above].
I think it's great that the PS3 is getting this game. If I buy a PS3 in the future I think that I would probably pick up this title. Do I think this title is not possible on the 360? No, this game isn't that cutting edge that a PC or 360 couldn't handle it's awesome power. I think it's pathetic that developers have to split out this dribble instead of letting their game do the talking for them.
No it doesn't offend me. I just think it's lame that Sony seems to require that it's developers say [insert title created for PS3] is not possible on anything other then the PS3 because [A). Blu-Ray B) The Power of Cell C) All of the above].
I think it's great that the PS3 is getting this game. If I buy a PS3 in the future I think that I would probably pick up this title. Do I think this title is not possible on the 360? No, this game isn't that cutting edge that a PC or 360 couldn't handle it's awesome power. I think it's pathetic that developers have to split out this dribble instead of letting their game do the talking for them.
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Re: SplatPantZ - 2007-10-31 |
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» @DVSDevice
This has nothing to do with mass effect, take your post elsewhere.
Uncharted is lookin good!
This has nothing to do with mass effect, take your post elsewhere.
Uncharted is lookin good!
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Re: Oracle - 2007-10-31 |
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» Obviously DVSDevise doesn't under inner/outer track rates
Fanboys are always ignorant
Fanboys are always ignorant
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Re: Yaz - 2007-10-31 |
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» Nope
The slower Blu-ray drive would not make Mass Effect impossible on the PS3, only slower to load, and the devs would probably make use of the HDD to improve load times if necessary.
That said, Uncharted would be possible on the 360, just not exactly as seen on the PS3.
This is the thing about comments coming from developers of exclusive games who says their game would not be possible on another console. It is never really true, since it's more about the devs pleasing their 'masters' and their user base. The game WILL always be possible, just not necessarily exactly as seen in the original.
The slower Blu-ray drive would not make Mass Effect impossible on the PS3, only slower to load, and the devs would probably make use of the HDD to improve load times if necessary.
That said, Uncharted would be possible on the 360, just not exactly as seen on the PS3.
This is the thing about comments coming from developers of exclusive games who says their game would not be possible on another console. It is never really true, since it's more about the devs pleasing their 'masters' and their user base. The game WILL always be possible, just not necessarily exactly as seen in the original.
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Re: DVSDevise - 2007-10-31 |
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Sorry i should have added my sarcasm brackets to that Mass Effect comment. LOL. It was just a metaphor for this article. I thought my second comment clarified that.
Now please excuse me while I mend my wounds inflicted by Oracle harsh harsh words.
Sorry i should have added my sarcasm brackets to that Mass Effect comment. LOL. It was just a metaphor for this article. I thought my second comment clarified that.
Now please excuse me while I mend my wounds inflicted by Oracle harsh harsh words.
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Re: ISOHaven - 2007-10-31 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
@DVSDevise
You need to do more homework buddy! Your comments are worthless and based on ignorance.
1. No decent volume of HD content can fit on a DVD9 disc. If you think this game or any other HD based game can possibly work on the 360 then you are sorely mistaken. Unless you enjoy playing multi-disc games??? Want proof? Halo 3 is NOT HD. In fact, it's not even close! When I played it on my widescreen for the first time I was greatly disappointed. So much so my 360 is going on Ebay. I'm fed up with it. Now it has HDMI, if they ever add an HD-DVD drive to it FOR GAMES then I might buy it again.
2. Playing Blu-Ray discs on the PS3 is no less productive then playing DVDs. That would be like saying you can only play audio from CDs because of all these slow reading DVD drives. CD is faster then DVD is faster then Blu-Ray. Now go learn why and why it doesn't matter.
3. Do you have any clue as to what UNCOMPRESSED audio is? Yeah, another thing that will never fit on a DVD9 disc. Unless you enjoy playing 1 hour games?
4. Sony does NOT force devs to say anything. Your biased comments fool no one.
@DVSDevise
You need to do more homework buddy! Your comments are worthless and based on ignorance.
1. No decent volume of HD content can fit on a DVD9 disc. If you think this game or any other HD based game can possibly work on the 360 then you are sorely mistaken. Unless you enjoy playing multi-disc games??? Want proof? Halo 3 is NOT HD. In fact, it's not even close! When I played it on my widescreen for the first time I was greatly disappointed. So much so my 360 is going on Ebay. I'm fed up with it. Now it has HDMI, if they ever add an HD-DVD drive to it FOR GAMES then I might buy it again.
2. Playing Blu-Ray discs on the PS3 is no less productive then playing DVDs. That would be like saying you can only play audio from CDs because of all these slow reading DVD drives. CD is faster then DVD is faster then Blu-Ray. Now go learn why and why it doesn't matter.
3. Do you have any clue as to what UNCOMPRESSED audio is? Yeah, another thing that will never fit on a DVD9 disc. Unless you enjoy playing 1 hour games?
4. Sony does NOT force devs to say anything. Your biased comments fool no one.
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Re: Yaz - 2007-10-31 |
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» I disagree ISOHaven
1. Halo doesn't prove anything. There are a number of games on BOTH the 360 and PS3 with resolutions below 720p 9there's a list on the net), and therefore can be said not to be HD. There are technical reasons behind each of those games being at below 720p, and it's nothing to do with storage space (since the PS3 would not be effected if this was true).
Likewise there are enough examples of high quality 360 games to see that a 'decent volume of HD content' can be put onto DVD.
2. The transfer rate of DVD is higher than that of CDs, so I'm not quite sure what you're saying here.
Because the DVD drive in the 360 is faster than the Blu-ray drive in the PS3, numerous PS3 games duplicate data to improve load times, or more commonly, allow the gamer to dump GBs of data onto the HDD to speed up load times (and/or use the HDD as a cache).
3. Uncompressed audio is something that benefits streamed audio, such as for cut-scenes (voice, music) and background game music. It doesn't effect gameplay sound effects as they need to be stored in RAM and played instantly as required, and therefore would be just as compressed on the PS3 and the 360 (like textures).
4. True Sony doesn't force them, but there are reasons devs of exclusive games on all consoles make such statements. It's no different than when Shigeru Miyamoto said Mario 64 couldn't be done on the Playstation. He said it was because of the N64 controller and cartridge providing zero load times. The fact is, with the Dualshock controller and load times when reading from CD, it COULD be done, it just wouldn't be identical to the N64 version.
But yes, DVSDevise isn't fooling anyone ;)
1. Halo doesn't prove anything. There are a number of games on BOTH the 360 and PS3 with resolutions below 720p 9there's a list on the net), and therefore can be said not to be HD. There are technical reasons behind each of those games being at below 720p, and it's nothing to do with storage space (since the PS3 would not be effected if this was true).
Likewise there are enough examples of high quality 360 games to see that a 'decent volume of HD content' can be put onto DVD.
2. The transfer rate of DVD is higher than that of CDs, so I'm not quite sure what you're saying here.
Because the DVD drive in the 360 is faster than the Blu-ray drive in the PS3, numerous PS3 games duplicate data to improve load times, or more commonly, allow the gamer to dump GBs of data onto the HDD to speed up load times (and/or use the HDD as a cache).
3. Uncompressed audio is something that benefits streamed audio, such as for cut-scenes (voice, music) and background game music. It doesn't effect gameplay sound effects as they need to be stored in RAM and played instantly as required, and therefore would be just as compressed on the PS3 and the 360 (like textures).
4. True Sony doesn't force them, but there are reasons devs of exclusive games on all consoles make such statements. It's no different than when Shigeru Miyamoto said Mario 64 couldn't be done on the Playstation. He said it was because of the N64 controller and cartridge providing zero load times. The fact is, with the Dualshock controller and load times when reading from CD, it COULD be done, it just wouldn't be identical to the N64 version.
But yes, DVSDevise isn't fooling anyone ;)
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Re: ISOHaven - 2007-10-31 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
1. You claim there are plenty of 720p+ samples of 360 games? Name them and prove they are 720. According to MS, if they upsample anything to 720, then it's HD in there eyes. They have already proven that they upsample TO 720p and call it 720p. As any HD owner knows, that's garbage. The Halo 3 disc is FULL. So do the math. If you EXCHANGE all Halo 3 content with HD content there WILL NOT be enough room.
Take all audio on the Halo 3 disc and uncompress it. Again, not enough room.
Heavenly sword is another game that CAN NOT be done on the 360. Not without seriously compromising it's quality. The game has 10GB worth of audio alone!
2. I didn't clarify. Not in the beginning it wasn't.
3. No, they are not. Devs can choose uncompressed audio as an option... and they do. Uncompressed audio + higher quality + more space needed.
4. Shigeru Miyamoto in his own case, was wrong. Unless you include the fact that the game COULD NOT have been done with the same load times. Seems to me that was what he was saying.
FACT:
If the game breaks 9GB in content then there is no way to get that game on the 360 unless:
1. You split the game into multiple discs.
2. Drop content.
3. Compress content.
1. You claim there are plenty of 720p+ samples of 360 games? Name them and prove they are 720. According to MS, if they upsample anything to 720, then it's HD in there eyes. They have already proven that they upsample TO 720p and call it 720p. As any HD owner knows, that's garbage. The Halo 3 disc is FULL. So do the math. If you EXCHANGE all Halo 3 content with HD content there WILL NOT be enough room.
Take all audio on the Halo 3 disc and uncompress it. Again, not enough room.
Heavenly sword is another game that CAN NOT be done on the 360. Not without seriously compromising it's quality. The game has 10GB worth of audio alone!
2. I didn't clarify. Not in the beginning it wasn't.
3. No, they are not. Devs can choose uncompressed audio as an option... and they do. Uncompressed audio + higher quality + more space needed.
4. Shigeru Miyamoto in his own case, was wrong. Unless you include the fact that the game COULD NOT have been done with the same load times. Seems to me that was what he was saying.
FACT:
If the game breaks 9GB in content then there is no way to get that game on the 360 unless:
1. You split the game into multiple discs.
2. Drop content.
3. Compress content.
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Re: Yaz - 2007-10-31 |
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» *Sigh* I worry sometimes :)
1. "1. You claim there are plenty of 720p+ samples of 360 games? Name them and prove they are 720. According to MS, if they upsample anything to 720,"
Come on now, I thought you were better than that.
The VAST majority of 360 and PS3 games are 720p and above. No upscaling to 720p, but 720p native or above.
A MINORITY of 360 and PS3 games are less than 720p.
I'm really, REALLY surprised that you think otherwise and find it disappointing the ease of which gamers like yourself seem to accept false information as true.
Like I said, less than 720p is for a small minority of games ONLY, such that the games involved have been noted and listed on websites, including the following article which discusses this issue for both 360 and PS3 games;
http://www.hardcoreware.net/current-video-games-mostly-not-hd/
Just as it was for Halo 3, games running at less than 720p are quickly spotted.
2. The speed of DVD at the beginning is irrelevant. We're discussing the current speeds in the consoles for DVD and Blu-ray.
3. You still don't get it. For music and voice, yes you can stream uncompressed audio and it's great to hear, but for sound effects, you simply do not have the RAM to store uncompressed effects in memory. Hence compressed formats are still used for sound effects, just as they are used for textures, all with the purpose of minimising RAM usage.
4. Perhaps you missed it when I said "it COULD be done, it just wouldn't be identical to the N64 version."
The same is true for Uncharted. Despite the headline that it's only possible on the PS3, it could be done on the 360, it just wouldn't be 100% identical to the PS3 version.
"FACT: If the game breaks 9GB in content then there is no way to get that game on the 360 unless:
1. You split the game into multiple discs.
2. Drop content.
3. Compress content."
I never doubted that, although they'll rarely have to do all three, devs will usually implement just one or two of that list (i.e. 1 only, or 1 and 3, or 3 only, or 2 and 3, etc).
Regardless, if this is applied to Uncharted, then again the game will be possible on the 360, just not 100% identical to the PS3 version.
So to quote myself (and why not :)) "This is the thing about comments coming from developers of exclusive games who says their game would not be possible on another console. It is never really true, since it's more about the devs pleasing their 'masters' and their user base. The game WILL always be possible, just not necessarily exactly as seen in the original."
1. "1. You claim there are plenty of 720p+ samples of 360 games? Name them and prove they are 720. According to MS, if they upsample anything to 720,"
Come on now, I thought you were better than that.
The VAST majority of 360 and PS3 games are 720p and above. No upscaling to 720p, but 720p native or above.
A MINORITY of 360 and PS3 games are less than 720p.
I'm really, REALLY surprised that you think otherwise and find it disappointing the ease of which gamers like yourself seem to accept false information as true.
Like I said, less than 720p is for a small minority of games ONLY, such that the games involved have been noted and listed on websites, including the following article which discusses this issue for both 360 and PS3 games;
http://www.hardcoreware.net/current-video-games-mostly-not-hd/
Just as it was for Halo 3, games running at less than 720p are quickly spotted.
2. The speed of DVD at the beginning is irrelevant. We're discussing the current speeds in the consoles for DVD and Blu-ray.
3. You still don't get it. For music and voice, yes you can stream uncompressed audio and it's great to hear, but for sound effects, you simply do not have the RAM to store uncompressed effects in memory. Hence compressed formats are still used for sound effects, just as they are used for textures, all with the purpose of minimising RAM usage.
4. Perhaps you missed it when I said "it COULD be done, it just wouldn't be identical to the N64 version."
The same is true for Uncharted. Despite the headline that it's only possible on the PS3, it could be done on the 360, it just wouldn't be 100% identical to the PS3 version.
"FACT: If the game breaks 9GB in content then there is no way to get that game on the 360 unless:
1. You split the game into multiple discs.
2. Drop content.
3. Compress content."
I never doubted that, although they'll rarely have to do all three, devs will usually implement just one or two of that list (i.e. 1 only, or 1 and 3, or 3 only, or 2 and 3, etc).
Regardless, if this is applied to Uncharted, then again the game will be possible on the 360, just not 100% identical to the PS3 version.
So to quote myself (and why not :)) "This is the thing about comments coming from developers of exclusive games who says their game would not be possible on another console. It is never really true, since it's more about the devs pleasing their 'masters' and their user base. The game WILL always be possible, just not necessarily exactly as seen in the original."
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Re: ISOHaven - 2007-11-01 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
1. Like I said. PROVE IT. MS advertises that Halo 3 will display 720p and 1080i. First off that tells us NOTHING about it's native resolution. Second, they already admitted that it is 640p.
Just because the box says 720/1080....that doesn't mean squat.
"I'm really, REALLY surprised that you think otherwise and find it disappointing the ease of which gamers like yourself seem to accept false information as true."
False information? It came from BUNGIE when they belonged to Microsoft. There is nothing false about it.
"Just as it was for Halo 3, games running at less than 720p are quickly spotted."
Bull. You mean just the games that matter. The ONLY reason we know Halo 3 for sure is because the devs where hounded by quirks in the graphics IN ADDITION they admitted the truth.
"2. The speed of DVD at the beginning is irrelevant. We're discussing the current speeds in the consoles for DVD and Blu-ray."
Tisk tisk! The speed of DVD in the beginning is 100% relevant to the speed of Blu-ray IN THE BEGINNING. It didn't mean SQUAT then and it doesn't mean SQUAT now.
"3. You still don't get it. For music and voice, yes you can stream uncompressed audio and it's great to hear, but for sound effects, you simply do not have the RAM to store uncompressed effects in memory."
That's great. Now if I actually gave a crap about sound effects in memory, you would have something. Why are you talking about sound effects? Do you think the musical scores in these games are sound effects? Sorry, I don't care about
1. Like I said. PROVE IT. MS advertises that Halo 3 will display 720p and 1080i. First off that tells us NOTHING about it's native resolution. Second, they already admitted that it is 640p.
Just because the box says 720/1080....that doesn't mean squat.
"I'm really, REALLY surprised that you think otherwise and find it disappointing the ease of which gamers like yourself seem to accept false information as true."
False information? It came from BUNGIE when they belonged to Microsoft. There is nothing false about it.
"Just as it was for Halo 3, games running at less than 720p are quickly spotted."
Bull. You mean just the games that matter. The ONLY reason we know Halo 3 for sure is because the devs where hounded by quirks in the graphics IN ADDITION they admitted the truth.
"2. The speed of DVD at the beginning is irrelevant. We're discussing the current speeds in the consoles for DVD and Blu-ray."
Tisk tisk! The speed of DVD in the beginning is 100% relevant to the speed of Blu-ray IN THE BEGINNING. It didn't mean SQUAT then and it doesn't mean SQUAT now.
"3. You still don't get it. For music and voice, yes you can stream uncompressed audio and it's great to hear, but for sound effects, you simply do not have the RAM to store uncompressed effects in memory."
That's great. Now if I actually gave a crap about sound effects in memory, you would have something. Why are you talking about sound effects? Do you think the musical scores in these games are sound effects? Sorry, I don't care about
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Re: Yaz - 2007-11-01 |
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» Please use some common sense regarding 720p
I don't mean that in an insulting way (sorry if it sounds that way), it's just that you seem to be being stubborn just for the sake of it when there's absolutely no evidence to support your claims.
As I've stated, the moment a game arrives on the 360 or PS3 that is LESS than 720p, it is immediately spotted by 'geeks' online. That's a fact. This happened straight away with the 360 launch game Perfect Dark, and has continued ever since, resulting in the 360 and PS3 games listed in that link (and other links).
So it is foolish to believe that the majority of 360 games are less than 720p (as you claim) and yet for some reason NO-ONE has spotted it. That's like someone claiming most PS3 games are less than 720p just because they read about the list of sub-720p PS3 games! And yet, that's exactly what you're doing for the 360.
You are the one claiming something that NO-ONE else is saying, therefore it is for you to prove YOUR claims regarding 720p, it's not for me to prove what everyone else already knows.
BTW, didn't you even bother to read that link?
2. Again, it is the speed NOW that matters and it does mean 'SQUAT'. The 360 drive is faster overall, that IS a relevant point and makes a difference, but as I've said to others here, there are ways around it on the PS3. The problem is when gamers (usually 360 fanboys) exaggerate the importance of disk speed, just as PS3 fanboys exaggerate the importance of Blu-ray's storage capacity.
So if you want to attack 360 fanboys who act as if the speed of DVD means everything and attack Blu-ray for being too slow, then go ahead (I've done so already against DVSDevise). But don't expect me to join in with the idea that it makes no difference at all, because the slower Blu-ray does affect the way games are designed on the PS3, just as less storage space on DVD affects the design of 360 games.
3. What you care about and don't care about is irrelevant. The point wasn't about your likes or dislikes, it was about uncompressed and compressed audio, and that's what I responded to.
I've said all I have to say to you ISOHaven, so by my guest and have the last word. :)
I don't mean that in an insulting way (sorry if it sounds that way), it's just that you seem to be being stubborn just for the sake of it when there's absolutely no evidence to support your claims.
As I've stated, the moment a game arrives on the 360 or PS3 that is LESS than 720p, it is immediately spotted by 'geeks' online. That's a fact. This happened straight away with the 360 launch game Perfect Dark, and has continued ever since, resulting in the 360 and PS3 games listed in that link (and other links).
So it is foolish to believe that the majority of 360 games are less than 720p (as you claim) and yet for some reason NO-ONE has spotted it. That's like someone claiming most PS3 games are less than 720p just because they read about the list of sub-720p PS3 games! And yet, that's exactly what you're doing for the 360.
You are the one claiming something that NO-ONE else is saying, therefore it is for you to prove YOUR claims regarding 720p, it's not for me to prove what everyone else already knows.
BTW, didn't you even bother to read that link?
2. Again, it is the speed NOW that matters and it does mean 'SQUAT'. The 360 drive is faster overall, that IS a relevant point and makes a difference, but as I've said to others here, there are ways around it on the PS3. The problem is when gamers (usually 360 fanboys) exaggerate the importance of disk speed, just as PS3 fanboys exaggerate the importance of Blu-ray's storage capacity.
So if you want to attack 360 fanboys who act as if the speed of DVD means everything and attack Blu-ray for being too slow, then go ahead (I've done so already against DVSDevise). But don't expect me to join in with the idea that it makes no difference at all, because the slower Blu-ray does affect the way games are designed on the PS3, just as less storage space on DVD affects the design of 360 games.
3. What you care about and don't care about is irrelevant. The point wasn't about your likes or dislikes, it was about uncompressed and compressed audio, and that's what I responded to.
I've said all I have to say to you ISOHaven, so by my guest and have the last word. :)
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"Please use some common sense regarding 720p"
Because you're the only one that understands? I'm IT support for many things, including a video production studio.
"I don't mean that in an insulting way (sorry if it sounds that way), it's just that you seem to be being stubborn just for the sake of it when there's absolutely no evidence to support your claims."
There doesn't need to be evidence to PROVE my claim as there is NO EVIDENCE for MS to claim all there games are what is written on the box. The burden of proof is in THEIR hands and they have proved to us that they believe upsampling to 720p is the same as 720p source.
You keep talking about how everyone but you is wrong, but you have nothing to prove otherwise. So you can keep insinuating how other people are liars, but trust me, no one cares.
So, I'm still waiting for PROOF that 360 games are what the box says they are. Remember, the box to Halo 3 says 720p/1080i......This will require recorded discussions with each and every developer. Again, I urge you to remember that it isn't until AFTER a dev is slammed that they spit up the truth.
"As I've stated, the moment a game arrives on the 360 or PS3 that is LESS than 720p, it is immediately spotted by 'geeks' online. That's a fact. This happened straight away with the 360 launch game Perfect Dark, and has continued ever since, resulting in the 360 and PS3 games listed in that link (and other links)."
The only way to know for "fact" is by having the developer say as such. PERIOD. Halo? Perfect Dark? Yeah, major titles will get major attention to the point where devs are put in front of cameras and asked to tell the truth. So they do. There is NO OTHER WAY to tell the source of a game since the 360 upscales.
"So it is foolish to believe that the majority of 360 games are less than 720p"
Majority? Hold up there pal. Either QUOTE ME or zip it. I never said any such thing. Any game on the level of Halo will NEVER be 720p or more for the EXACT reasons Halo 3 is not 720p or more.
Listen to what is SAID, not to what you want to hear. Now ramble on about how we're actually typing.....
"(as you claim) and yet for some reason NO-ONE has spotted it."
Yeah, read above. Once again, LLMF.
"That's like someone claiming most PS3 games are less than 720p just because they read about the list of sub-720p PS3 games! And yet, that's exactly what you're doing for the 360."
Yeah, read above. Once again, LLMF.
"You are the one claiming something that NO-ONE else is saying, therefore it is for you to prove YOUR claims regarding 720p, it's not for me to prove what everyone else already knows."
Yeah, read above. Once again, LLMF.
"BTW, didn't you even bother to read that link?"
Yup, and I seriously doubt every game on that list was scrutinized with the devs.
"2. Again, it is the speed NOW that matters and it does mean 'SQUAT'. The 360 drive is faster overall, that IS a relevant point and makes a difference"
No, it does not. Unless you are impatient. Either way the slower speed of the BR is brought back up by the HDD. The claim was a game was made for the 360 and not the PS3 because the 360's drive was faster. That is 100% irrelevant and has no bearing. The same exact game ported to the PS3 would be 100% possible. Plus the guy was joking (?)....
"but as I've said to others here, there are ways around it on the PS3. The problem is when gamers (usually 360 fanboys) exaggerate the importance of disk speed, just as PS3 fanboys exaggerate the importance of Blu-ray's storage capacity."
It is important. For those that want a true HD experience. There is no exaggerating. I believe that is something you can't "get through your skull."
"But don't expect me to join in with the idea that it makes no difference at all, because the slower Blu-ray does affect the way games are designed"
Now you're making a different point. You entered a conversation where the difference dictates possibility. Yet here you claim the design is d
"Please use some common sense regarding 720p"
Because you're the only one that understands? I'm IT support for many things, including a video production studio.
"I don't mean that in an insulting way (sorry if it sounds that way), it's just that you seem to be being stubborn just for the sake of it when there's absolutely no evidence to support your claims."
There doesn't need to be evidence to PROVE my claim as there is NO EVIDENCE for MS to claim all there games are what is written on the box. The burden of proof is in THEIR hands and they have proved to us that they believe upsampling to 720p is the same as 720p source.
You keep talking about how everyone but you is wrong, but you have nothing to prove otherwise. So you can keep insinuating how other people are liars, but trust me, no one cares.
So, I'm still waiting for PROOF that 360 games are what the box says they are. Remember, the box to Halo 3 says 720p/1080i......This will require recorded discussions with each and every developer. Again, I urge you to remember that it isn't until AFTER a dev is slammed that they spit up the truth.
"As I've stated, the moment a game arrives on the 360 or PS3 that is LESS than 720p, it is immediately spotted by 'geeks' online. That's a fact. This happened straight away with the 360 launch game Perfect Dark, and has continued ever since, resulting in the 360 and PS3 games listed in that link (and other links)."
The only way to know for "fact" is by having the developer say as such. PERIOD. Halo? Perfect Dark? Yeah, major titles will get major attention to the point where devs are put in front of cameras and asked to tell the truth. So they do. There is NO OTHER WAY to tell the source of a game since the 360 upscales.
"So it is foolish to believe that the majority of 360 games are less than 720p"
Majority? Hold up there pal. Either QUOTE ME or zip it. I never said any such thing. Any game on the level of Halo will NEVER be 720p or more for the EXACT reasons Halo 3 is not 720p or more.
Listen to what is SAID, not to what you want to hear. Now ramble on about how we're actually typing.....
"(as you claim) and yet for some reason NO-ONE has spotted it."
Yeah, read above. Once again, LLMF.
"That's like someone claiming most PS3 games are less than 720p just because they read about the list of sub-720p PS3 games! And yet, that's exactly what you're doing for the 360."
Yeah, read above. Once again, LLMF.
"You are the one claiming something that NO-ONE else is saying, therefore it is for you to prove YOUR claims regarding 720p, it's not for me to prove what everyone else already knows."
Yeah, read above. Once again, LLMF.
"BTW, didn't you even bother to read that link?"
Yup, and I seriously doubt every game on that list was scrutinized with the devs.
"2. Again, it is the speed NOW that matters and it does mean 'SQUAT'. The 360 drive is faster overall, that IS a relevant point and makes a difference"
No, it does not. Unless you are impatient. Either way the slower speed of the BR is brought back up by the HDD. The claim was a game was made for the 360 and not the PS3 because the 360's drive was faster. That is 100% irrelevant and has no bearing. The same exact game ported to the PS3 would be 100% possible. Plus the guy was joking (?)....
"but as I've said to others here, there are ways around it on the PS3. The problem is when gamers (usually 360 fanboys) exaggerate the importance of disk speed, just as PS3 fanboys exaggerate the importance of Blu-ray's storage capacity."
It is important. For those that want a true HD experience. There is no exaggerating. I believe that is something you can't "get through your skull."
"But don't expect me to join in with the idea that it makes no difference at all, because the slower Blu-ray does affect the way games are designed"
Now you're making a different point. You entered a conversation where the difference dictates possibility. Yet here you claim the design is d
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
ifferent. Sorry bud, but your comment here is a "no-crap" statement. Different is not the same as "not being able to".
Like I said, drive speed makes no difference, in regards to possibilities. Therefore in THIS discussion it is NOT a factor for anything.
"3. What you care about and don't care about is irrelevant. The point wasn't about your likes or dislikes, it was about uncompressed and compressed audio, and that's what I responded to."
No you did not. I discussed uncompressed audio in general. I gave a FACT of which you completely skipped over and refused to address. So much so you went on and on about SOUND EFFECTS in specific.
Your bad.
ifferent. Sorry bud, but your comment here is a "no-crap" statement. Different is not the same as "not being able to".
Like I said, drive speed makes no difference, in regards to possibilities. Therefore in THIS discussion it is NOT a factor for anything.
"3. What you care about and don't care about is irrelevant. The point wasn't about your likes or dislikes, it was about uncompressed and compressed audio, and that's what I responded to."
No you did not. I discussed uncompressed audio in general. I gave a FACT of which you completely skipped over and refused to address. So much so you went on and on about SOUND EFFECTS in specific.
Your bad.
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Re: Yaz - 2007-11-02 |
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» Ok I'll take Unregs advice below, but this one remains...
"There doesn't need to be evidence to PROVE my claim as there is NO EVIDENCE for MS to claim all there games are what is written on the box. The burden of proof is in THEIR hands and they have proved to us that they believe upsampling to 720p is the same as 720p source."
There is evidence, it is here in the fact that every time a game is released, the resolution is being checked by gamers online, and they report anything which is out of the ordinary. Hence that list of 360 and PS3 with unusual resolutions! If more 360 games were less than 720p, they would have been spotted, especially high profile games like Gears of War!
So the burdeon of proof is in your hands, because YOU are the one making the claim.
I've just visited my local games store and looked at the game boxes for those PS3 games less than 720p, and they ALL say 720p on the back of the box, even though gamers have shown them not to be so (and the PS3 doesn't even upscale the vertical resolution to 720p). So Halo 3 is no different to those other 360 games and PS3 games with less than 720p resolutions.
So like I said, this is not unique to the 360, it happens on both the 360 and PS3 for technical reasons. Therefore your claim applies equally to the PS3 (some games less than 720p, but says 720p on the box), and so your claim is equally untrue about both consoles.
So no more of your idiotic playground logic please, you make a claim, you back it up.
"There doesn't need to be evidence to PROVE my claim as there is NO EVIDENCE for MS to claim all there games are what is written on the box. The burden of proof is in THEIR hands and they have proved to us that they believe upsampling to 720p is the same as 720p source."
There is evidence, it is here in the fact that every time a game is released, the resolution is being checked by gamers online, and they report anything which is out of the ordinary. Hence that list of 360 and PS3 with unusual resolutions! If more 360 games were less than 720p, they would have been spotted, especially high profile games like Gears of War!
So the burdeon of proof is in your hands, because YOU are the one making the claim.
I've just visited my local games store and looked at the game boxes for those PS3 games less than 720p, and they ALL say 720p on the back of the box, even though gamers have shown them not to be so (and the PS3 doesn't even upscale the vertical resolution to 720p). So Halo 3 is no different to those other 360 games and PS3 games with less than 720p resolutions.
So like I said, this is not unique to the 360, it happens on both the 360 and PS3 for technical reasons. Therefore your claim applies equally to the PS3 (some games less than 720p, but says 720p on the box), and so your claim is equally untrue about both consoles.
So no more of your idiotic playground logic please, you make a claim, you back it up.
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"Ok I'll take Unregs advice below, but this one remains..."
All talk.
"There is evidence, it is here in the fact that every time a game is released, the resolution is being checked by gamers online"
WRONG!!!! There is NO WAY to "check the resolution". Upscaling happens between the disc and the HDMI port. Unless they can decompile the games there is no way to know without looking at it on a large screen and noticing it looks like crap. Even then, they could just be crap graphics.
"and they report anything which is out of the ordinary. Hence that list of 360 and PS3 with unusual resolutions! If more 360 games were less than 720p, they would have been spotted, especially high profile games like Gears of War!"
This is where you are so completely out of WHACK it's useless to continue. The NUMBER of less then 720 games IS NOT the issue. Go back and read!
"I've just visited my local games store and looked at the game boxes for those PS3 games less than 720p, and they ALL say 720p on the back of the box, even though gamers have shown them not to be so"
And? What the hell is your point? The fact that it goes both ways has NOTHING to do with Uncharted not being possible on the 360 AS IS. You seem to be having your own little conversation in your own little world.
"So like I said, this is not unique to the 360"
And? Who cares?
"it happens on both the 360 and PS3 for technical reasons"
I disagree with the technical reasons part. It's more along the lines of their business model. This is where you again, talk out your rear. What percentage of those games are multiplatform? Did that clue you in enough? There is no reason (aside from lack of know-how) that a PS3 exclusive game would be less then 720p.
"Therefore your claim applies equally to the PS3 (some games less than 720p, but says 720p on the box), and so your claim is equally untrue about both consoles."
I don't think you have a CLUE anymore as to what my actual claim was.
"So no more of your idiotic playground logic please, you make a claim, you back it up."
My "claim" was backed up with Halo 3. I challenge you to explain my claim back to me.....good luck.
"Ok I'll take Unregs advice below, but this one remains..."
All talk.
"There is evidence, it is here in the fact that every time a game is released, the resolution is being checked by gamers online"
WRONG!!!! There is NO WAY to "check the resolution". Upscaling happens between the disc and the HDMI port. Unless they can decompile the games there is no way to know without looking at it on a large screen and noticing it looks like crap. Even then, they could just be crap graphics.
"and they report anything which is out of the ordinary. Hence that list of 360 and PS3 with unusual resolutions! If more 360 games were less than 720p, they would have been spotted, especially high profile games like Gears of War!"
This is where you are so completely out of WHACK it's useless to continue. The NUMBER of less then 720 games IS NOT the issue. Go back and read!
"I've just visited my local games store and looked at the game boxes for those PS3 games less than 720p, and they ALL say 720p on the back of the box, even though gamers have shown them not to be so"
And? What the hell is your point? The fact that it goes both ways has NOTHING to do with Uncharted not being possible on the 360 AS IS. You seem to be having your own little conversation in your own little world.
"So like I said, this is not unique to the 360"
And? Who cares?
"it happens on both the 360 and PS3 for technical reasons"
I disagree with the technical reasons part. It's more along the lines of their business model. This is where you again, talk out your rear. What percentage of those games are multiplatform? Did that clue you in enough? There is no reason (aside from lack of know-how) that a PS3 exclusive game would be less then 720p.
"Therefore your claim applies equally to the PS3 (some games less than 720p, but says 720p on the box), and so your claim is equally untrue about both consoles."
I don't think you have a CLUE anymore as to what my actual claim was.
"So no more of your idiotic playground logic please, you make a claim, you back it up."
My "claim" was backed up with Halo 3. I challenge you to explain my claim back to me.....good luck.
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by na2rul - 2007-10-31 |
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» @DVsdevice
The Q of it being possible on PC is out of the equation since PC is(supposedly) a lot more powerful than both 360 and PS3.
only Q is, is it posible on 360? Mb/mb not
The Q of it being possible on PC is out of the equation since PC is(supposedly) a lot more powerful than both 360 and PS3.
only Q is, is it posible on 360? Mb/mb not
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» ...
So if COD4 looks better than Uncharted, does that mean COD4 is not possible on the 360 either?
So if COD4 looks better than Uncharted, does that mean COD4 is not possible on the 360 either?
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Re: ISOHaven - 2007-10-31 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
If it looks better then Uncharted then it's content level much be equal if not greater. So, NO. It would not work AS IS on the 360. If they dumb it down BELOW 720 resolution and compress the audio then yes, it would....obviously.
If it looks better then Uncharted then it's content level much be equal if not greater. So, NO. It would not work AS IS on the 360. If they dumb it down BELOW 720 resolution and compress the audio then yes, it would....obviously.
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» ...
Dude nice attempt.
[sarcasm]I forgot that multiplatform titles run and look better on the PS3[/sarcasm]
Got em brackets in there that time.
Dude nice attempt.
[sarcasm]I forgot that multiplatform titles run and look better on the PS3[/sarcasm]
Got em brackets in there that time.
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Re: na2rul - 2007-10-31 |
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» @DVSDEVISE
Dude COD4 lking better than Drakes cud mean anything. Its MEANT to be multiplatform FROM THE START anyway. Choose better example................
I guarantee if this WAS a 360 exclusive(regardless of its chance) 360 fanyboys wud be all over uncharted. i not accusin you of fanyboyism + i still respect 360 mark my words
Dude COD4 lking better than Drakes cud mean anything. Its MEANT to be multiplatform FROM THE START anyway. Choose better example................
I guarantee if this WAS a 360 exclusive(regardless of its chance) 360 fanyboys wud be all over uncharted. i not accusin you of fanyboyism + i still respect 360 mark my words
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Re: ISOHaven - 2007-10-31 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
Multiplatform games are a poor example. From design time, they are designed to work on all consoles. Meaning, regardless of who is the most powerful, the game will only look at good as the worst console.
Depending of course on how many branches they generate which usually isn't many.
Multiplatform games are a poor example. From design time, they are designed to work on all consoles. Meaning, regardless of who is the most powerful, the game will only look at good as the worst console.
Depending of course on how many branches they generate which usually isn't many.
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by dylantalon - 2007-10-31 |
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» fools
i love how the xbox 360 trolls love to flip good news about the ps3 into bad news. this game cannot be compressed to 8gbs of space. mass effect looks good and thats that. check my myspace page, look up dylantalon@aol.com on myspace.com and check my pics about xbox. i have 4 dead box cause xbox is garbage. i have all the systems since n.e.s and none are broken except for the xboxes. i useto be a xbox fanboyuntil my xboxes started breaking, so i bought a ps3. xbox live gamer tag is dylantalon. ps3 id is dylantalon
i love how the xbox 360 trolls love to flip good news about the ps3 into bad news. this game cannot be compressed to 8gbs of space. mass effect looks good and thats that. check my myspace page, look up dylantalon@aol.com on myspace.com and check my pics about xbox. i have 4 dead box cause xbox is garbage. i have all the systems since n.e.s and none are broken except for the xboxes. i useto be a xbox fanboyuntil my xboxes started breaking, so i bought a ps3. xbox live gamer tag is dylantalon. ps3 id is dylantalon
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by the by - 2007-10-31 |
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» sorry guys, but.......
you lot obviously not read the post properly!!
the main reason that the ps3 was the better of the two for this game wasnt because of the media, it was because of the hard drive!!!
the gamedata is stored onto the drive to reduce the loading times!!! can the 360 do this?? only if every 360 owner had a hard drive!!!
yet here you guys are, arguing over dvd's and blurays again!!! and how can you say that you don't need bigger storage, like bluray disks, when ALL pc gamers know that you can NEVER have enough storage space???
if you need proof that dvd has had its day, then maybe you should look at the rumours that the 360 is going to get a HD-DVD add-on by 2009!!
will you be saying the same thing IF this turns out to be true??
i bet you wont!!!
you lot obviously not read the post properly!!
the main reason that the ps3 was the better of the two for this game wasnt because of the media, it was because of the hard drive!!!
the gamedata is stored onto the drive to reduce the loading times!!! can the 360 do this?? only if every 360 owner had a hard drive!!!
yet here you guys are, arguing over dvd's and blurays again!!! and how can you say that you don't need bigger storage, like bluray disks, when ALL pc gamers know that you can NEVER have enough storage space???
if you need proof that dvd has had its day, then maybe you should look at the rumours that the 360 is going to get a HD-DVD add-on by 2009!!
will you be saying the same thing IF this turns out to be true??
i bet you wont!!!
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Re: Yaz - 2007-10-31 |
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» Actually
"the gamedata is stored onto the drive to reduce the loading times!!! can the 360 do this?? only if every 360 owner had a hard drive!!!"
I've covered this issue before. Yes, the 360 can do this. You don't need a HDD in every 360 for the HDD to be used in games. For example, Oblivion on the 360 uses the HDD for caching to improve load times, and some PS3 games dump data onto the HDD as an OPTION to improve load times, meaning those PS3 games don't actually need the HDD to run, they only need it to improve load times for those who CHOOSE the option.
"if you need proof that dvd has had its day, then maybe you should look at the rumours that the 360 is going to get a HD-DVD add-on by 2009!!"
Well as you are aware, there's a difference between rumour and fact, so rumours are not proof of anything.
But "IF this turns out to be true", it doesn't mean HD-DVD will be used for 360 games. A 360 in future with an HD-DVD drive will represent a tiny minority of 360 consoles, therefore the games will ALWAYS be released for the majority, ie. DVDs on the 360. It will not mean a switch to HD-DVD games for the 360 at the expense of those with DVD drives.
"the gamedata is stored onto the drive to reduce the loading times!!! can the 360 do this?? only if every 360 owner had a hard drive!!!"
I've covered this issue before. Yes, the 360 can do this. You don't need a HDD in every 360 for the HDD to be used in games. For example, Oblivion on the 360 uses the HDD for caching to improve load times, and some PS3 games dump data onto the HDD as an OPTION to improve load times, meaning those PS3 games don't actually need the HDD to run, they only need it to improve load times for those who CHOOSE the option.
"if you need proof that dvd has had its day, then maybe you should look at the rumours that the 360 is going to get a HD-DVD add-on by 2009!!"
Well as you are aware, there's a difference between rumour and fact, so rumours are not proof of anything.
But "IF this turns out to be true", it doesn't mean HD-DVD will be used for 360 games. A 360 in future with an HD-DVD drive will represent a tiny minority of 360 consoles, therefore the games will ALWAYS be released for the majority, ie. DVDs on the 360. It will not mean a switch to HD-DVD games for the 360 at the expense of those with DVD drives.
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by freezola75 - 2007-10-31 |
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» Tombraider and Indy:watch your backs...
There's a new adventurer in town and his name is Nathan Drake. If this game does well (which i think it will), then it's sequels will be just as great or even better! Way to go Naughty Dog. Always like a Naughty Dog, letting his nuts hang lol
There's a new adventurer in town and his name is Nathan Drake. If this game does well (which i think it will), then it's sequels will be just as great or even better! Way to go Naughty Dog. Always like a Naughty Dog, letting his nuts hang lol
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by the by - 2007-10-31 |
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» ok yaz
i like it how you responded to my comment but you never answer to the fact that you cant beat more storage space......ever!!!!
we both know however, if the internal hd-dvd thing does turn out to be true, then m$ will have succeeded in ripping off its consumers yet again!!!
to think that if m$ is only going to use HD-DVD for movie playback if this does happen is delusional!! this is the way they get people to upgrade their machines!! they dont care if you bought 1 at the start or not, they just want your money anyway they can get it!!
the same things been happening with pc's for years!! you buy the most powerful pc going for games and within 2-3 years its obsolete!!! why would 360 be any different? also bear in mind that the 360 will be in its 3rd year by 2009 so a new console could come out at that point!! nobody said that a games console HAS to be in the market for 4 years!!
m$ knows full well, at the moment, that its stuck with a media that is being left behind in terms of space!! sure, you can compress, but how far do you go before you can't compress your data anymore??
at least sony thought of the future with bluray and built in hard drives, even if it did shoot them in the foot in terms of cost!!!
i like it how you responded to my comment but you never answer to the fact that you cant beat more storage space......ever!!!!
we both know however, if the internal hd-dvd thing does turn out to be true, then m$ will have succeeded in ripping off its consumers yet again!!!
to think that if m$ is only going to use HD-DVD for movie playback if this does happen is delusional!! this is the way they get people to upgrade their machines!! they dont care if you bought 1 at the start or not, they just want your money anyway they can get it!!
the same things been happening with pc's for years!! you buy the most powerful pc going for games and within 2-3 years its obsolete!!! why would 360 be any different? also bear in mind that the 360 will be in its 3rd year by 2009 so a new console could come out at that point!! nobody said that a games console HAS to be in the market for 4 years!!
m$ knows full well, at the moment, that its stuck with a media that is being left behind in terms of space!! sure, you can compress, but how far do you go before you can't compress your data anymore??
at least sony thought of the future with bluray and built in hard drives, even if it did shoot them in the foot in terms of cost!!!
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Re: Yaz - 2007-10-31 |
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» As expected.
" but you never answer to the fact that you cant beat more storage space......ever!!!!"
And you can't get it into your skull that more storage space doesn't mean better games. The quality of a game is not determined by it's size. A better game beats a bigger game EVERY TIME without exception. Yes more storage is great, and Blu-ray provides this (as do multiple DVDs to a lesser degree) but when I play a game, size is not the first thing I look for.
"to think that if m$ is only going to use HD-DVD for movie playback if this does happen is delusional!!"
And to think that MS will ignore the even larger installed base of DVD base 360's by 2009 in favour of releasing games on HD-DVD is incredibly naive, and shows that you are describing what you WANT to be true, rather than what is likely to happen. Just like the rest of your post.
That together with your use of M$ instead of MS shows exactly where you're coming from.
" but you never answer to the fact that you cant beat more storage space......ever!!!!"
And you can't get it into your skull that more storage space doesn't mean better games. The quality of a game is not determined by it's size. A better game beats a bigger game EVERY TIME without exception. Yes more storage is great, and Blu-ray provides this (as do multiple DVDs to a lesser degree) but when I play a game, size is not the first thing I look for.
"to think that if m$ is only going to use HD-DVD for movie playback if this does happen is delusional!!"
And to think that MS will ignore the even larger installed base of DVD base 360's by 2009 in favour of releasing games on HD-DVD is incredibly naive, and shows that you are describing what you WANT to be true, rather than what is likely to happen. Just like the rest of your post.
That together with your use of M$ instead of MS shows exactly where you're coming from.
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Re: ISOHaven - 2007-11-01 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"And you can't get it into your skull that more storage space doesn't mean better games. The quality of a game is not determined by it's size."
That's YOUR opinion and no one else needs to get that into their skull. Who are YOU to tell others what makes a game good for THEM?
"A better game beats a bigger game EVERY TIME without exception."
WRONG! Someone's opinion of what makes a game good can't be wrong. For me, a GOOD GAME is one that represents current technology with a good story. Current technology requires BIGGER. Here's a good example. How BIG do you think pacman was when it was first introduced? Well, guess what? I think the rehashed HD version is BETTER. Guess what else? It's BIGGER! It doesn't require Blu-ray but if I want a game to hold my attention for more then a day I need MORE content.
"Yes more storage is great, and Blu-ray provides this (as do multiple DVDs to a lesser degree) but when I play a game, size is not the first thing I look for."
Good for you. Other people do. I want HD. Further more I want PROGRESSIVE. Further more I want 1080!!!! Guess what? HD movies don't come on DVD9 for a reason! Next gen, I want 7.1 uncompressed audio!!!! Oops, need MORE ROOM for that!!!
Here's an example of looking at size. Hum...a game comes on a DS cartridge....hum, a game with the same title comes on a Wii disc....hum, a game with the same title comes on a PS3 Blu-ray disc....HUMMMMMMMMM........which will I choose?
"And you can't get it into your skull that more storage space doesn't mean better games. The quality of a game is not determined by it's size."
That's YOUR opinion and no one else needs to get that into their skull. Who are YOU to tell others what makes a game good for THEM?
"A better game beats a bigger game EVERY TIME without exception."
WRONG! Someone's opinion of what makes a game good can't be wrong. For me, a GOOD GAME is one that represents current technology with a good story. Current technology requires BIGGER. Here's a good example. How BIG do you think pacman was when it was first introduced? Well, guess what? I think the rehashed HD version is BETTER. Guess what else? It's BIGGER! It doesn't require Blu-ray but if I want a game to hold my attention for more then a day I need MORE content.
"Yes more storage is great, and Blu-ray provides this (as do multiple DVDs to a lesser degree) but when I play a game, size is not the first thing I look for."
Good for you. Other people do. I want HD. Further more I want PROGRESSIVE. Further more I want 1080!!!! Guess what? HD movies don't come on DVD9 for a reason! Next gen, I want 7.1 uncompressed audio!!!! Oops, need MORE ROOM for that!!!
Here's an example of looking at size. Hum...a game comes on a DS cartridge....hum, a game with the same title comes on a Wii disc....hum, a game with the same title comes on a PS3 Blu-ray disc....HUMMMMMMMMM........which will I choose?
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by the by - 2007-11-01 |
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» not at all!!!
theres nothing wrong with a bit of speculation!!
and you are right!! a bigger game is not always better!!
but it helps!!!
heavenly sword is a good example of that, its a beautiful game, but too short!! but it would not be possible on the 360 unless you were to compress the game very heavily, maybe too heavily for the dvd format to cope with!!
"And to think that MS will ignore the even larger installed base of DVD base 360's by 2009 in favour of releasing games on HD-DVD is incredibly naive"
this is a corporation pal!! as i said before, they want your money anyway possible!! hence m$
im not dissing the 360, but there are issues there that you, yourself are trying to avoid!!!
rant over, goodnight!!
theres nothing wrong with a bit of speculation!!
and you are right!! a bigger game is not always better!!
but it helps!!!
heavenly sword is a good example of that, its a beautiful game, but too short!! but it would not be possible on the 360 unless you were to compress the game very heavily, maybe too heavily for the dvd format to cope with!!
"And to think that MS will ignore the even larger installed base of DVD base 360's by 2009 in favour of releasing games on HD-DVD is incredibly naive"
this is a corporation pal!! as i said before, they want your money anyway possible!! hence m$
im not dissing the 360, but there are issues there that you, yourself are trying to avoid!!!
rant over, goodnight!!
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Re: Yaz - 2007-11-01 |
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» Ok
"heavenly sword is a good example of that, its a beautiful game, but too short!! but it would not be possible on the 360 unless you were to compress the game very heavily, maybe too heavily for the dvd format to cope with!!"
The 360 could cope. They would have to apply the one or more of the list that ISOHaven provided above, which is;
"1. You split the game into multiple discs.
2. Drop content.
3. Compress content"
"this is a corporation pal!! as i said before, they want your money anyway possible!! hence m$"
Yes, and all corporations want our money, and to make money on games, they will target the 99.999% who have DVDs in their 360s, not the 0.001% who purchase a 360 with HD-DVD built in.
Games on DVD is where they make their money on the 360, not HD-DVD, since if true, there will never be enough HD-DVD 360's in the market to justify HD-DVD only games. It will not make money for MS nor the developers.
Those pushing for HD-DVD in the 360 would do so to make the console a cheaper HD-DVD drive, just as Blu-ray in the PS3 makes it a cheaper Blu-ray drive. Hence the HD-DVD rumour is actually about Toshiba wanting to counter the Blu-ray installed base with the 360, not MS wanting a different medium for games.
"heavenly sword is a good example of that, its a beautiful game, but too short!! but it would not be possible on the 360 unless you were to compress the game very heavily, maybe too heavily for the dvd format to cope with!!"
The 360 could cope. They would have to apply the one or more of the list that ISOHaven provided above, which is;
"1. You split the game into multiple discs.
2. Drop content.
3. Compress content"
"this is a corporation pal!! as i said before, they want your money anyway possible!! hence m$"
Yes, and all corporations want our money, and to make money on games, they will target the 99.999% who have DVDs in their 360s, not the 0.001% who purchase a 360 with HD-DVD built in.
Games on DVD is where they make their money on the 360, not HD-DVD, since if true, there will never be enough HD-DVD 360's in the market to justify HD-DVD only games. It will not make money for MS nor the developers.
Those pushing for HD-DVD in the 360 would do so to make the console a cheaper HD-DVD drive, just as Blu-ray in the PS3 makes it a cheaper Blu-ray drive. Hence the HD-DVD rumour is actually about Toshiba wanting to counter the Blu-ray installed base with the 360, not MS wanting a different medium for games.
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Re: Yaz - 2007-11-01 |
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» To add to my point
A 360 with a built-in HD-DVD drive would be a big boost for Toshiba and the HD-DVD consortium. THIS is where it will be of benefit, because more HD-DVD drives in the market means more HD-DVD movies being sold, in the same way that the PS3 has provided a boost for sales of Blu-ray movies.
So this is about movies 'the by', not games.
A 360 with a built-in HD-DVD drive would be a big boost for Toshiba and the HD-DVD consortium. THIS is where it will be of benefit, because more HD-DVD drives in the market means more HD-DVD movies being sold, in the same way that the PS3 has provided a boost for sales of Blu-ray movies.
So this is about movies 'the by', not games.
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Re: Yaz - 2007-11-01 |
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» One more point
"this is a corporation pal!! as i said before, they want your money anyway possible!! hence m$"
I see, so I guess it's $ony for now on then ;)
"this is a corporation pal!! as i said before, they want your money anyway possible!! hence m$"
I see, so I guess it's $ony for now on then ;)
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Re: ISOHaven - 2007-11-01 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"A 360 with a built-in HD-DVD drive would be a big boost for Toshiba and the HD-DVD consortium. THIS is where it will be of benefit, because more HD-DVD drives in the market means more HD-DVD movies being sold, in the same way that the PS3 has provided a boost for sales of Blu-ray movies."
That is HILARIOUS!!!! You just backpedaled (intentionally or not) every reason MS left the HD-DVD out of the system. But it's good to know that MS recognizes their blunder and hopefully plans to fix it.
"A 360 with a built-in HD-DVD drive would be a big boost for Toshiba and the HD-DVD consortium. THIS is where it will be of benefit, because more HD-DVD drives in the market means more HD-DVD movies being sold, in the same way that the PS3 has provided a boost for sales of Blu-ray movies."
That is HILARIOUS!!!! You just backpedaled (intentionally or not) every reason MS left the HD-DVD out of the system. But it's good to know that MS recognizes their blunder and hopefully plans to fix it.
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Re: Yaz - 2007-11-01 |
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» Perhaps you should look up the meaning of 'backpeddled'
I'm not here to support MS and the 360 just for the sake of it, in the way you seem to support Sony and the PS3, I'm here discussing the reasons why, if the rumours are true, HD-DVD built-in to the 360 would be good for pushing HD-DVD movie sales, but would NOT be used for games on the 360.
Where's the backpeddling in that? As I've mentioned here already, I'm interested in both consoles, but I speak freely about the pros and cons, whereas you seem to only want to see the pros in the PS3 and cons in the 360. I wonder why that is?
I'm not here to support MS and the 360 just for the sake of it, in the way you seem to support Sony and the PS3, I'm here discussing the reasons why, if the rumours are true, HD-DVD built-in to the 360 would be good for pushing HD-DVD movie sales, but would NOT be used for games on the 360.
Where's the backpeddling in that? As I've mentioned here already, I'm interested in both consoles, but I speak freely about the pros and cons, whereas you seem to only want to see the pros in the PS3 and cons in the 360. I wonder why that is?
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Re: ISOHaven - 2007-11-01 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"I'm not here to support MS and the 360 just for the sake of it, in the way you seem to support Sony and the PS3, I'm here discussing the reasons why, if the rumours are true, HD-DVD built-in to the 360 would be good for pushing HD-DVD movie sales, but would NOT be used for games on the 360."
Good for you. However, my comment still stands. If you are out of the loop as to WHY MS did not incorporate the HD-DVD drive and choose to keep it separate then that's your problem. If you did not understand my post then....
"Where's the backpeddling in that?"
I'm sorry you're lost, but I can't help you here. Research it yourself. Here's a clue, MS gave us many reasons leaving it out would benefit the 360 and could not come up with ONE SINGLE benefit to include it. Did you attend the Zero Hour party? If not then you missed out on a lot of good info. If so then.....LLMF?
"As I've mentioned here already, I'm interested in both consoles, but I speak freely about the pros and cons, whereas you seem to only want to see the pros in the PS3 and cons in the 360. I wonder why that is? "
Well, I owned both. Aside from Live and 360 specific games, I saw no reason to keep my 360......I wonder why that is?
"I'm not here to support MS and the 360 just for the sake of it, in the way you seem to support Sony and the PS3, I'm here discussing the reasons why, if the rumours are true, HD-DVD built-in to the 360 would be good for pushing HD-DVD movie sales, but would NOT be used for games on the 360."
Good for you. However, my comment still stands. If you are out of the loop as to WHY MS did not incorporate the HD-DVD drive and choose to keep it separate then that's your problem. If you did not understand my post then....
"Where's the backpeddling in that?"
I'm sorry you're lost, but I can't help you here. Research it yourself. Here's a clue, MS gave us many reasons leaving it out would benefit the 360 and could not come up with ONE SINGLE benefit to include it. Did you attend the Zero Hour party? If not then you missed out on a lot of good info. If so then.....LLMF?
"As I've mentioned here already, I'm interested in both consoles, but I speak freely about the pros and cons, whereas you seem to only want to see the pros in the PS3 and cons in the 360. I wonder why that is? "
Well, I owned both. Aside from Live and 360 specific games, I saw no reason to keep my 360......I wonder why that is?
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» i absolutely agree
with two points there!!!
$ony is the same as m$, no doubt!!!
but m$ has had previous experiences of underhand tactics!!
as for this one!!!
"The 360 could cope. They would have to apply the one or more of the list that ISOHaven provided above, which is;
"1. You split the game into multiple discs.
2. Drop content.
3. Compress content""
yeap!!! totally agree and thats why sony put in blueray to avoid these three options!!!
im assuming you have a 360 and i don't blame you for defending your console of choice!!
i myself have countlessly defended the ps3, but the issues are there!! im not slagging the console off, i nearly bought one myself,
but this was one of the issues i could see that put me off doing so!!
with two points there!!!
$ony is the same as m$, no doubt!!!
but m$ has had previous experiences of underhand tactics!!
as for this one!!!
"The 360 could cope. They would have to apply the one or more of the list that ISOHaven provided above, which is;
"1. You split the game into multiple discs.
2. Drop content.
3. Compress content""
yeap!!! totally agree and thats why sony put in blueray to avoid these three options!!!
im assuming you have a 360 and i don't blame you for defending your console of choice!!
i myself have countlessly defended the ps3, but the issues are there!! im not slagging the console off, i nearly bought one myself,
but this was one of the issues i could see that put me off doing so!!
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Re: Yaz - 2007-11-01 |
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» Well I'm pleased we're in agreement :)
"im assuming you have a 360 and i don't blame you for defending your console of choice!!"
Wrong assumption :)
I don't have a next-gen console, I haven't even played a game on one yet! But... I do plan on purchasing a 360 and PS3 sometime soon (as in, within the next 6 months). But not a Wii because it doesn't appeal to me (sorry Wii fans).
I think you'll also find that I actually defend both consoles (see my reply to DVSDevise), because I work in IT and therefore look for the pros and cons of hardware and software. Hence I no more see DVD as a problem for the 360 (less storage per disk compared to Blu-ray) than I see RAM as being a problem for PS3 games (less available compared to the 360 and less flexible). They're just part of the cons of each console, but they do not negate the pros for me.
All I would say is don't defend just for the sake of it, since each has it's advantages and disadvantages. They're both great consoles imo, and therefore both are worth owning this gen. :)
"im assuming you have a 360 and i don't blame you for defending your console of choice!!"
Wrong assumption :)
I don't have a next-gen console, I haven't even played a game on one yet! But... I do plan on purchasing a 360 and PS3 sometime soon (as in, within the next 6 months). But not a Wii because it doesn't appeal to me (sorry Wii fans).
I think you'll also find that I actually defend both consoles (see my reply to DVSDevise), because I work in IT and therefore look for the pros and cons of hardware and software. Hence I no more see DVD as a problem for the 360 (less storage per disk compared to Blu-ray) than I see RAM as being a problem for PS3 games (less available compared to the 360 and less flexible). They're just part of the cons of each console, but they do not negate the pros for me.
All I would say is don't defend just for the sake of it, since each has it's advantages and disadvantages. They're both great consoles imo, and therefore both are worth owning this gen. :)
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Re: ISOHaven - 2007-11-01 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"yeap!!! totally agree and thats why sony put in blueray to avoid these three options!!!"
Exactly! By avoiding these three we can have a TRUE HD experience. However, I must admit that I was wrong. Now that I re-read the reasons Bungie chose 640p I have to admit I was wrong about #1. #1 is NOT AN OPTION. Even if you split the 1080i (not even 1080p) game into 3 discs, the 360 still CAN NOT process all the info at any one point in time. They didn't choose 640p to compress the game to fit, the 360 simply can not handle the processing power required and it would make the game too slow to play.
"I don't have a next-gen console, I haven't even played a game on one yet!"
Which makes you the LAST person anyone should listen to as far as the next gen HD experience for gamming goes. Thanks for admitting that! Sorry buddy but in order to have REAL opinions on this subject you need REAL experience with the consoles. Otherwise your opinions are useless. Or at the very least based on what you've come to understand of other peoples experiences.
It's no wonder you don't care about size. Do you even have a decent HD setup? Can you actually HEAR the difference between DVD audio and uncompressed audio on your system? If the answer to those are yes then you are in for excellent gaming experiences with the PS3. If the answer is no, then it wont really matter which console you go for.
My 360 just sold on Ebay. In my opinion, if you want REAL HD, then the 360 is NOT worth owning this gen. Since the 360 is really last gen v1.5. Wait for the REAL next gen HD 720 or whatever they call it.
"yeap!!! totally agree and thats why sony put in blueray to avoid these three options!!!"
Exactly! By avoiding these three we can have a TRUE HD experience. However, I must admit that I was wrong. Now that I re-read the reasons Bungie chose 640p I have to admit I was wrong about #1. #1 is NOT AN OPTION. Even if you split the 1080i (not even 1080p) game into 3 discs, the 360 still CAN NOT process all the info at any one point in time. They didn't choose 640p to compress the game to fit, the 360 simply can not handle the processing power required and it would make the game too slow to play.
"I don't have a next-gen console, I haven't even played a game on one yet!"
Which makes you the LAST person anyone should listen to as far as the next gen HD experience for gamming goes. Thanks for admitting that! Sorry buddy but in order to have REAL opinions on this subject you need REAL experience with the consoles. Otherwise your opinions are useless. Or at the very least based on what you've come to understand of other peoples experiences.
It's no wonder you don't care about size. Do you even have a decent HD setup? Can you actually HEAR the difference between DVD audio and uncompressed audio on your system? If the answer to those are yes then you are in for excellent gaming experiences with the PS3. If the answer is no, then it wont really matter which console you go for.
My 360 just sold on Ebay. In my opinion, if you want REAL HD, then the 360 is NOT worth owning this gen. Since the 360 is really last gen v1.5. Wait for the REAL next gen HD 720 or whatever they call it.
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Re: Yaz - 2007-11-01 |
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» I don't need your advice on which console to purchase.
Since your attitude is clear from your posts here, as is DVSDevise's posts from an equally biased opposing viewpoint.
Despite your incorrect points (as usual), I'll pick up on this one;
"Which makes you the LAST person anyone should listen to as far as the next gen HD experience for gamming goes. Thanks for admitting that! Sorry buddy but in order to have REAL opinions on this subject you need REAL experience with the consoles".
Sorry, but that's a very ignorant comment and a rather low attempt to dismiss my views.
Yes I am the last person to listen to regarding how the games play, what the controllers are like, the online experience, the noise levels, the interface, and other issues related to the actual EXPERIENCE of owning the console(s). That I do agree with since I do not own the consoles, but we're not talking about those areas, and I'm not pretending to have experience in those areas. My expertise is with hardware and software, and that's where I'm coming from here.
Unlike some gamers I've seen here, I'm not lying about games I *say* I've played or consoles I *say* I own or played at a friend/brother/cousin etc. I make no claims to owning a next-gen console and never have.
With all my comments here, I'm simply discussing the issues for the 360 and the PS3. As I own neither, I don;t feel the need to promote one over the other. So it's rather sad to see you use my honesty about owning neither console and use it against me just so that you can give yourself a reason to dismiss my comments.
What I've spoken about here has nothing to do with owning the consoles. So if you think simply owning a 360 or PS3 or both makes you knowledgeable on the technology, and not owning one makes you ignorant of the technology, then you really do have a LOT to learn.
It seems to me you only want to show how much better the PS3 is compared to the 360, even if it means making up 'facts' as you go along (as you have regarding 720p on the 360).
Shame.
Since your attitude is clear from your posts here, as is DVSDevise's posts from an equally biased opposing viewpoint.
Despite your incorrect points (as usual), I'll pick up on this one;
"Which makes you the LAST person anyone should listen to as far as the next gen HD experience for gamming goes. Thanks for admitting that! Sorry buddy but in order to have REAL opinions on this subject you need REAL experience with the consoles".
Sorry, but that's a very ignorant comment and a rather low attempt to dismiss my views.
Yes I am the last person to listen to regarding how the games play, what the controllers are like, the online experience, the noise levels, the interface, and other issues related to the actual EXPERIENCE of owning the console(s). That I do agree with since I do not own the consoles, but we're not talking about those areas, and I'm not pretending to have experience in those areas. My expertise is with hardware and software, and that's where I'm coming from here.
Unlike some gamers I've seen here, I'm not lying about games I *say* I've played or consoles I *say* I own or played at a friend/brother/cousin etc. I make no claims to owning a next-gen console and never have.
With all my comments here, I'm simply discussing the issues for the 360 and the PS3. As I own neither, I don;t feel the need to promote one over the other. So it's rather sad to see you use my honesty about owning neither console and use it against me just so that you can give yourself a reason to dismiss my comments.
What I've spoken about here has nothing to do with owning the consoles. So if you think simply owning a 360 or PS3 or both makes you knowledgeable on the technology, and not owning one makes you ignorant of the technology, then you really do have a LOT to learn.
It seems to me you only want to show how much better the PS3 is compared to the 360, even if it means making up 'facts' as you go along (as you have regarding 720p on the 360).
Shame.
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Re: ISOHaven - 2007-11-01 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"Since your attitude is clear from your posts here, as is DVSDevise's posts from an equally biased opposing viewpoint."
How is it biased? I'm a MS supporter. I've clearly blown you out of the water on a few point here and that ticks you off.
So be it. My words above hold true. You cane name call it all you want.
"Despite your incorrect points (as usual), I'll pick up on this one;"
Easy for you to SAY even though you have disproved nothing.
"Which makes you the LAST person anyone should listen to as far as the next gen HD experience for gamming goes. Thanks for admitting that! Sorry buddy but in order to have REAL opinions on this subject you need REAL experience with the consoles".
"Sorry, but that's a very ignorant comment and a rather low attempt to dismiss my views."
The fact that you haven't even used a PS3 is my ignorance? Are you feeling ok? There is nothing low about it. You have not used a PS3 therefore your opinions of it are worthless. Aside from it's color and specifications on paper.
"That I do agree with since I do not own the consoles"
First it's ignorance and low but now you agree? Again, are you feeling ok?
"but we're not talking about those areas"
Yes, we are. Where the heck have you been?
"My expertise is with hardware and software, and that's where I'm coming from here."
No it's not. Because you can't argue specs. You are arguing people's opinion as well as dodging facts. You claim this game CAN be played on the 360 at 1080p? 1080i? With uncompressed audio? You are wrong.
"Unlike some gamers I've seen here, I'm not lying about games I *say* I've played or consoles I *say* I own or played at a friend/brother/cousin etc. I make no claims to owning a next-gen console and never have."
Good for you. My comments still stand.
"With all my comments here, I'm simply discussing the issues for the 360 and the PS3. As I own neither, I don;t feel the need to promote one over the other. So it's rather sad to see you use my honesty about owning neither console and use it against me just so that you can give yourself a reason to dismiss my comments."
Ah! Now you're twisting words!!! I'm not arguing any SPECS you've discussed. I'm arguing your OPINIONS you've given on the matter. For example:
"And you can't get it into your skull that more storage space doesn't mean better games."
See, that comment right there is you talking out your rear. You DID NOT use ANY technical knowledge to make your point. Just your opinion.
Get it now?
"So if you think simply owning a 360 or PS3 or both makes you knowledgeable on the technology"
Read above, you are lost. LLMF!
"and not owning one makes you ignorant of the technology, then you really do have a LOT to learn."
Read above, you are lost. LLMF!
"It seems to me you only want to show how much better the PS3 is compared to the 360, "
Of course you think that. It's all you have left.
"even if it means making up 'facts' as you go along (as you have regarding 720p on the 360)."
Making up facts....you are HILARIOUS!!! I challenged YOU to prove something, of which you can not therefore the end result is my making up facts. Thanks for the laugh.
"Since your attitude is clear from your posts here, as is DVSDevise's posts from an equally biased opposing viewpoint."
How is it biased? I'm a MS supporter. I've clearly blown you out of the water on a few point here and that ticks you off.
So be it. My words above hold true. You cane name call it all you want.
"Despite your incorrect points (as usual), I'll pick up on this one;"
Easy for you to SAY even though you have disproved nothing.
"Which makes you the LAST person anyone should listen to as far as the next gen HD experience for gamming goes. Thanks for admitting that! Sorry buddy but in order to have REAL opinions on this subject you need REAL experience with the consoles".
"Sorry, but that's a very ignorant comment and a rather low attempt to dismiss my views."
The fact that you haven't even used a PS3 is my ignorance? Are you feeling ok? There is nothing low about it. You have not used a PS3 therefore your opinions of it are worthless. Aside from it's color and specifications on paper.
"That I do agree with since I do not own the consoles"
First it's ignorance and low but now you agree? Again, are you feeling ok?
"but we're not talking about those areas"
Yes, we are. Where the heck have you been?
"My expertise is with hardware and software, and that's where I'm coming from here."
No it's not. Because you can't argue specs. You are arguing people's opinion as well as dodging facts. You claim this game CAN be played on the 360 at 1080p? 1080i? With uncompressed audio? You are wrong.
"Unlike some gamers I've seen here, I'm not lying about games I *say* I've played or consoles I *say* I own or played at a friend/brother/cousin etc. I make no claims to owning a next-gen console and never have."
Good for you. My comments still stand.
"With all my comments here, I'm simply discussing the issues for the 360 and the PS3. As I own neither, I don;t feel the need to promote one over the other. So it's rather sad to see you use my honesty about owning neither console and use it against me just so that you can give yourself a reason to dismiss my comments."
Ah! Now you're twisting words!!! I'm not arguing any SPECS you've discussed. I'm arguing your OPINIONS you've given on the matter. For example:
"And you can't get it into your skull that more storage space doesn't mean better games."
See, that comment right there is you talking out your rear. You DID NOT use ANY technical knowledge to make your point. Just your opinion.
Get it now?
"So if you think simply owning a 360 or PS3 or both makes you knowledgeable on the technology"
Read above, you are lost. LLMF!
"and not owning one makes you ignorant of the technology, then you really do have a LOT to learn."
Read above, you are lost. LLMF!
"It seems to me you only want to show how much better the PS3 is compared to the 360, "
Of course you think that. It's all you have left.
"even if it means making up 'facts' as you go along (as you have regarding 720p on the 360)."
Making up facts....you are HILARIOUS!!! I challenged YOU to prove something, of which you can not therefore the end result is my making up facts. Thanks for the laugh.
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Re: Unregistered Gamer - 2007-11-01 |
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» You are wrong ISOHaven
"Making up facts....you are HILARIOUS!!! I challenged YOU to prove something, of which you can not therefore the end result is my making up facts. Thanks for the laugh."
I'm laughing at you, because you made the claim about 360 games not being 720p, therefore it is for you to prove this, it is not for Yaz to prove an established fact.
Fact:
1) Except for a minority of games, all 360 games are 720p or above.
2) Except for a minority of games, all PS3 games are 720p or above.
3) The Earth goes around the Sun
4) The USA landed man on the moon.
These are excepted are fact by the vast majority of people. If you claim either of these are not true, then the burdeon of proof lies on your shoulders.
Here is what you said;
"You claim there are plenty of 720p+ samples of 360 games? Name them and prove they are 720. According to MS, if they upsample anything to 720, then it's HD in there eyes. They have already proven that they upsample TO 720p and call it 720p."
So it's for you to prove than most 360 games are not 720p as claimed but less than that, where you should provide evidence from credible sources (such as the actually resolution). Yaz has done this for the minority of 360/PS3 games, and his logic is sound when he says other games would have been discovered and added to the list of games less than 720p.
So if you can not back your claim, then Yaz is right that you simply make things up. In fact, I would go even further and call it a deliberate lie, used for the purpose of winning an arguement at all costs.
I also find it strange that despite being shown PS3 games less than 720p (which probably have 720p stated on the game boxes), you only question the 360 on this matter but not the PS3. That's definately a fanboy trait.
Referring to fact no. 4, you remind me of those who take the dumb logic that if they can call into question one or two of the moon landing videos, then that calls into question ALL the moon landing videos, which calls into question the whole moon landing project, and therefore they conclude that the USA lied to the world, the moon landings are fake and man has never set foot on the moon.
"Making up facts....you are HILARIOUS!!! I challenged YOU to prove something, of which you can not therefore the end result is my making up facts. Thanks for the laugh."
I'm laughing at you, because you made the claim about 360 games not being 720p, therefore it is for you to prove this, it is not for Yaz to prove an established fact.
Fact:
1) Except for a minority of games, all 360 games are 720p or above.
2) Except for a minority of games, all PS3 games are 720p or above.
3) The Earth goes around the Sun
4) The USA landed man on the moon.
These are excepted are fact by the vast majority of people. If you claim either of these are not true, then the burdeon of proof lies on your shoulders.
Here is what you said;
"You claim there are plenty of 720p+ samples of 360 games? Name them and prove they are 720. According to MS, if they upsample anything to 720, then it's HD in there eyes. They have already proven that they upsample TO 720p and call it 720p."
So it's for you to prove than most 360 games are not 720p as claimed but less than that, where you should provide evidence from credible sources (such as the actually resolution). Yaz has done this for the minority of 360/PS3 games, and his logic is sound when he says other games would have been discovered and added to the list of games less than 720p.
So if you can not back your claim, then Yaz is right that you simply make things up. In fact, I would go even further and call it a deliberate lie, used for the purpose of winning an arguement at all costs.
I also find it strange that despite being shown PS3 games less than 720p (which probably have 720p stated on the game boxes), you only question the 360 on this matter but not the PS3. That's definately a fanboy trait.
Referring to fact no. 4, you remind me of those who take the dumb logic that if they can call into question one or two of the moon landing videos, then that calls into question ALL the moon landing videos, which calls into question the whole moon landing project, and therefore they conclude that the USA lied to the world, the moon landings are fake and man has never set foot on the moon.
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Re: Unregistered Gamer - 2007-11-01 |
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» M$? $ony?
No thanks guys, people usually only use those terms to try to irritate others. It's a way of take little pot shots at a company within the body of your post. So I think that's best left for fanboys. :)
No thanks guys, people usually only use those terms to try to irritate others. It's a way of take little pot shots at a company within the body of your post. So I think that's best left for fanboys. :)
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Re: Yaz - 2007-11-02 |
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» I read your post earlier Unreg
You said: "I also find it strange that despite being shown PS3 games less than 720p (which probably have 720p stated on the game boxes), you only question the 360 on this matter but not the PS3. That's definately a fanboy trait."
I thought "that's a good point" and so I went to my local game store to check it out. I found out that those PS3 games DO say 720p on the box even though they are not 720p! So PS3 games are no different to 360 games in this respect, and so ISOHaven has nothing to support his foolish claims. Case demised! :)
You said: "I also find it strange that despite being shown PS3 games less than 720p (which probably have 720p stated on the game boxes), you only question the 360 on this matter but not the PS3. That's definately a fanboy trait."
I thought "that's a good point" and so I went to my local game store to check it out. I found out that those PS3 games DO say 720p on the box even though they are not 720p! So PS3 games are no different to 360 games in this respect, and so ISOHaven has nothing to support his foolish claims. Case demised! :)
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Re: Yaz - 2007-11-02 |
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» Doh! LOL!
"Case demised! :)"
I mean... Case dismissed! :D
"Case demised! :)"
I mean... Case dismissed! :D
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Re: ISOHaven - 2007-11-02 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"I'm laughing at you, because you made the claim about 360 games not being 720p, therefore it is for you to prove this, it is not for Yaz to prove an established fact."
Established fact? So once again you show up after yaz and scramble everything for what??? To prove your an idiot? He already posted a link that shows what games are not 720. That does NOT mean the rest of them are true 720. My FACT is that platformers are not and can never be 720 on the 360 for the same reasons that THOSE GAME THAT ARE NOT 720.....are not 720. His own link PROVES that. So what exactly do you want me to prove?
"1) Except for a minority of games, all 360 games are 720p or above."
It's funny how the MAJOR titles aren't. It's funny how games are reported at 720 until the public demands the truth.
"So it's for you to prove than most 360 games are not 720p as claimed"
1. I never said most. Your quote of me did not mention most. So like your buddy yaz, you fail.
2. MS CLAIMED HALO 3 was 1080!!!!!!!!!!!!! MS CLAIMED HALO 3 was 720!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It wasn't until people screamed, that they came out with the truth. If you think that process happens with every game then you further prove yourself an idiot.
Since BOTH you and yaz have reading comprehension problems let me spell it out for you. NOT ALL 360 games are below 720. I never made any such claim.
I know that's a rather hard concept for you to understand, but you'll just have to live with that.
"Yaz has done this for the minority of 360/PS3 games, and his logic is sound when he says other games would have been discovered and added to the list of games less than 720p."
You call that sound logic? That people don't tell the truth until they're hit with heavy accusations?
"So if you can not back your claim"
Halo 3 is the only backing you need. I've already given it.
"In fact, I would go even further and call it a deliberate lie, used for the purpose of winning an arguement at all costs."
You can do that all you want. Facts are facts and you can't ignore them. I've already given them. What I haven't given is a link to the actual Bungie press release. Do your own leg work. If you're too stupid to find it then that's your problem.
"I also find it strange that despite being shown PS3 games less than 720p (which probably have 720p stated on the game boxes), you only question the 360 on this matter but not the PS3. That's definately a fanboy trait."
I NEVER claimed otherwise, nor did I EVER have a discussion about the PS3. This is all BS brought up by yaz. The actual topic here is that Uncharted COULD NOT be done AS IS on the 360. Since this is yaz's BS, why would I further continue his BS theory and start leading off into the PS3? That is something I would except YOU to do. There are games originally designed for 1080 that will be released somewhere between 720 and 1080...what's your point? You think I care? Nope.
"Referring to fact no. 4, you remind me of those who take the dumb logic that if they can call into question one or two of the moon landing videos, then that calls into question ALL the moon landing videos, which calls into question the whole moon landing project, and therefore they conclude that the USA lied to the world, the moon landings are fake and man has never set foot on the moon."
Um.....good for you???
In conclusion:
1. You've done nothing to disprove anything I've said.
2. You've done nothing to add to the actual topic.
Try again.
"I'm laughing at you, because you made the claim about 360 games not being 720p, therefore it is for you to prove this, it is not for Yaz to prove an established fact."
Established fact? So once again you show up after yaz and scramble everything for what??? To prove your an idiot? He already posted a link that shows what games are not 720. That does NOT mean the rest of them are true 720. My FACT is that platformers are not and can never be 720 on the 360 for the same reasons that THOSE GAME THAT ARE NOT 720.....are not 720. His own link PROVES that. So what exactly do you want me to prove?
"1) Except for a minority of games, all 360 games are 720p or above."
It's funny how the MAJOR titles aren't. It's funny how games are reported at 720 until the public demands the truth.
"So it's for you to prove than most 360 games are not 720p as claimed"
1. I never said most. Your quote of me did not mention most. So like your buddy yaz, you fail.
2. MS CLAIMED HALO 3 was 1080!!!!!!!!!!!!! MS CLAIMED HALO 3 was 720!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It wasn't until people screamed, that they came out with the truth. If you think that process happens with every game then you further prove yourself an idiot.
Since BOTH you and yaz have reading comprehension problems let me spell it out for you. NOT ALL 360 games are below 720. I never made any such claim.
I know that's a rather hard concept for you to understand, but you'll just have to live with that.
"Yaz has done this for the minority of 360/PS3 games, and his logic is sound when he says other games would have been discovered and added to the list of games less than 720p."
You call that sound logic? That people don't tell the truth until they're hit with heavy accusations?
"So if you can not back your claim"
Halo 3 is the only backing you need. I've already given it.
"In fact, I would go even further and call it a deliberate lie, used for the purpose of winning an arguement at all costs."
You can do that all you want. Facts are facts and you can't ignore them. I've already given them. What I haven't given is a link to the actual Bungie press release. Do your own leg work. If you're too stupid to find it then that's your problem.
"I also find it strange that despite being shown PS3 games less than 720p (which probably have 720p stated on the game boxes), you only question the 360 on this matter but not the PS3. That's definately a fanboy trait."
I NEVER claimed otherwise, nor did I EVER have a discussion about the PS3. This is all BS brought up by yaz. The actual topic here is that Uncharted COULD NOT be done AS IS on the 360. Since this is yaz's BS, why would I further continue his BS theory and start leading off into the PS3? That is something I would except YOU to do. There are games originally designed for 1080 that will be released somewhere between 720 and 1080...what's your point? You think I care? Nope.
"Referring to fact no. 4, you remind me of those who take the dumb logic that if they can call into question one or two of the moon landing videos, then that calls into question ALL the moon landing videos, which calls into question the whole moon landing project, and therefore they conclude that the USA lied to the world, the moon landings are fake and man has never set foot on the moon."
Um.....good for you???
In conclusion:
1. You've done nothing to disprove anything I've said.
2. You've done nothing to add to the actual topic.
Try again.
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Re: ISOHaven - 2007-11-02 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"So PS3 games are no different to 360 games in this respect, and so ISOHaven has nothing to support his foolish claims. Case demised! :)"
Do you even have the slightest clue as to what you are talking about? The fact that Halo 3 is less then 720p even though it says 720p on the box IS NOT an attempt by me to "diss" the 360. By making this comment you only prove how utterly lost you are in this conversation. The fact that Halo 3 is NOT 720p is apart of the reason Uncharted can NOT be created on the 360 AS IS. AS IS, it's an HD experience the 360 can NOT handle.
"So PS3 games are no different to 360 games in this respect, and so ISOHaven has nothing to support his foolish claims. Case demised! :)"
Do you even have the slightest clue as to what you are talking about? The fact that Halo 3 is less then 720p even though it says 720p on the box IS NOT an attempt by me to "diss" the 360. By making this comment you only prove how utterly lost you are in this conversation. The fact that Halo 3 is NOT 720p is apart of the reason Uncharted can NOT be created on the 360 AS IS. AS IS, it's an HD experience the 360 can NOT handle.
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by the by - 2007-11-01 |
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» actaully yaz
i don't slag off the 360 itself, just m$. if you work in IT then you will know that m$ does have a history of trying to stamp out the competition any way possible!!
as for defending the ps3, i think its a brilliant machine, and trying both machines out at friends, i felt that the ps3 was the better of the two for its different functions as well as being a cool games machine!!
I feel that the ps3 gives me the best of both worlds!!
sure, i felt a bit let down with the lack of games at first, but i feel now, that the console is starting to shine!!
i don't slag off the 360 itself, just m$. if you work in IT then you will know that m$ does have a history of trying to stamp out the competition any way possible!!
as for defending the ps3, i think its a brilliant machine, and trying both machines out at friends, i felt that the ps3 was the better of the two for its different functions as well as being a cool games machine!!
I feel that the ps3 gives me the best of both worlds!!
sure, i felt a bit let down with the lack of games at first, but i feel now, that the console is starting to shine!!
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Re: Unregistered Gamer - 2007-11-02 |
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» You are PS3 biased
But at least you don't come over as a PS3 fanboy, unlike some people here (looks towards ISOHaven).
There's nothing wrong with being biased, we all are to some degree, but some people (fanboys) are *so* biased that they bend the truth to fit their opinions and ignore any facts which contradict them.
They can't see it, but fanboys are just like Jack Thompson. :|
Anyway, the PS3 is definately better value for money. You get more for what you pay for, but the 360 is excellent as well, especially if you have no interest in HD movies but only want to use it for games (the HD-DVD add-on just to cumbersome to me).
But at least you don't come over as a PS3 fanboy, unlike some people here (looks towards ISOHaven).
There's nothing wrong with being biased, we all are to some degree, but some people (fanboys) are *so* biased that they bend the truth to fit their opinions and ignore any facts which contradict them.
They can't see it, but fanboys are just like Jack Thompson. :|
Anyway, the PS3 is definately better value for money. You get more for what you pay for, but the 360 is excellent as well, especially if you have no interest in HD movies but only want to use it for games (the HD-DVD add-on just to cumbersome to me).
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Re: ISOHaven - 2007-11-02 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"But at least you don't come over as a PS3 fanboy, unlike some people here (looks towards ISOHaven)."
I see, so because the FACTS point towards Uncharted not being possible on the 360, everyone who states as such is a fan boy? Ok.
"Anyway, the PS3 is definately better value for money. You get more for what you pay for, but the 360 is excellent as well"
Gee, that's great!!! Now if that only had anything to do with this conversation you would have something!
Both you and yaz have serious communication problems. Why? Because neither of you are capable of staying within the SCOPE of a conversation. Thus you take things WAY OUT of context. There should be NO REASON for me to have to claim that the 360 online experience KICKS THE PS3's A$$ in order to make the comment that the 360 will NEVER be able to match the HD environment of the PS3. Only children require such steps in order for them to keep the fanboy crap at bay.
"But at least you don't come over as a PS3 fanboy, unlike some people here (looks towards ISOHaven)."
I see, so because the FACTS point towards Uncharted not being possible on the 360, everyone who states as such is a fan boy? Ok.
"Anyway, the PS3 is definately better value for money. You get more for what you pay for, but the 360 is excellent as well"
Gee, that's great!!! Now if that only had anything to do with this conversation you would have something!
Both you and yaz have serious communication problems. Why? Because neither of you are capable of staying within the SCOPE of a conversation. Thus you take things WAY OUT of context. There should be NO REASON for me to have to claim that the 360 online experience KICKS THE PS3's A$$ in order to make the comment that the 360 will NEVER be able to match the HD environment of the PS3. Only children require such steps in order for them to keep the fanboy crap at bay.
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by Unregistered Gamer - 2007-11-02 |
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» Hey Yaz and ISOHaven
You do know there's a time to just let things go don't you? To agree to disagree and move on!
Yes, hands-up, I've just responded in your arguement and that may result in keeping it going a little longer (sorry about that, I should have held back), but both of you are coming across as two grumpy old men in a fight to the finish that no-one actually cares about.
I'll admit, I've done the same thing myself here on QJ, with l-o-n-g arguements over something that doesn't really matter and doesn't change no matter how long we argue about it. I looked back at it and realised just how much time I wasted over nothing!
Did I win the arguement? Who cares!
So let it go guys. Come on, you know you want to. :)
You do know there's a time to just let things go don't you? To agree to disagree and move on!
Yes, hands-up, I've just responded in your arguement and that may result in keeping it going a little longer (sorry about that, I should have held back), but both of you are coming across as two grumpy old men in a fight to the finish that no-one actually cares about.
I'll admit, I've done the same thing myself here on QJ, with l-o-n-g arguements over something that doesn't really matter and doesn't change no matter how long we argue about it. I looked back at it and realised just how much time I wasted over nothing!
Did I win the arguement? Who cares!
So let it go guys. Come on, you know you want to. :)
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Re: Yaz - 2007-11-02 |
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» Er-hem Unreg
I don't see how this is any more of a waste of time than someone reading through these forums without saying anything at all! I mean, you being here isn't exactly the most constructive way to use your time, wouldn't you say? So ok, my arguement with ISO is long and drawn out now, but we've both got the time, so why not? And I'm not posting for the benefit of others, so it doesn't matter if no-one else cares. :|
Still, thanks for the support regarding 720p, and I am going to take your advice on not trying to fight to the finish like some 'grumpy old man' :) AND... I will agree to disagree with ISO and move on (mostly because it's getting rather boring now, and I'm sure ISO will agree).
So you see, I can let it go. :P
I don't see how this is any more of a waste of time than someone reading through these forums without saying anything at all! I mean, you being here isn't exactly the most constructive way to use your time, wouldn't you say? So ok, my arguement with ISO is long and drawn out now, but we've both got the time, so why not? And I'm not posting for the benefit of others, so it doesn't matter if no-one else cares. :|
Still, thanks for the support regarding 720p, and I am going to take your advice on not trying to fight to the finish like some 'grumpy old man' :) AND... I will agree to disagree with ISO and move on (mostly because it's getting rather boring now, and I'm sure ISO will agree).
So you see, I can let it go. :P
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Re: ISOHaven - 2007-11-02 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
You already said you would let it go and here you are again ;p
You already said you would let it go and here you are again ;p
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Re: ~~ - 2007-11-04 |
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» +)
Well, i do want to congratulate all of you here;
You've kept me entertained for the past... 30 minutes now, thanks ^^
Who needs books when you can read QJ comment discussions +)
Well, i do want to congratulate all of you here;
You've kept me entertained for the past... 30 minutes now, thanks ^^
Who needs books when you can read QJ comment discussions +)
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by the by - 2007-11-02 |
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» actually unreg gamer...
because of the heavy debating on this post, i think this has been one of the best heated debates on qj.ps3 for a long time!!
there has been no 'your consoles sux' or sarcasim, and i feel that if we didn't debate, this site wouldn't be that great!!
its we, the commentors, that make this site great!!!
because of the heavy debating on this post, i think this has been one of the best heated debates on qj.ps3 for a long time!!
there has been no 'your consoles sux' or sarcasim, and i feel that if we didn't debate, this site wouldn't be that great!!
its we, the commentors, that make this site great!!!
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Re: ISOHaven - 2007-11-02 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
Bingo! :)
There's nothing worse then someone busting in late into a conversation to tell us we shouldn't be having a conversation.
Bingo! :)
There's nothing worse then someone busting in late into a conversation to tell us we shouldn't be having a conversation.
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Re: Yaz - 2007-11-03 |
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» OMG, I'm agreeing with you for a change :D
"There's nothing worse then someone busting in late into a conversation to tell us we shouldn't be having a conversation."
Exactly, and why shouldn't we argue on forums. There's nothing more boring than everyone agreeing with each other. If that happened here, we would just go somewhere else.
(That said, I can't be hard on Unreg because he agreed with me on certain points ;))
So yeah, let's agree that I'm right and... oops sorry, I mean let's agree to disagree and move on. :P
And thanks 'the by', I think despite the tone of the discussion at time, I actually enjoyed it, and I'm sure ISOHaven enjoyed it too.
Ah yes, there's nothing like a good arguement! :)
"There's nothing worse then someone busting in late into a conversation to tell us we shouldn't be having a conversation."
Exactly, and why shouldn't we argue on forums. There's nothing more boring than everyone agreeing with each other. If that happened here, we would just go somewhere else.
(That said, I can't be hard on Unreg because he agreed with me on certain points ;))
So yeah, let's agree that I'm right and... oops sorry, I mean let's agree to disagree and move on. :P
And thanks 'the by', I think despite the tone of the discussion at time, I actually enjoyed it, and I'm sure ISOHaven enjoyed it too.
Ah yes, there's nothing like a good arguement! :)
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by the by - 2007-11-02 |
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» sorry
was meant to read;
its we, the commentators, that make this site great!!!
always been bad at grammer!!!
was meant to read;
its we, the commentators, that make this site great!!!
always been bad at grammer!!!
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Re: Yaz - 2007-11-03 |
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» Yep
"its we, the commentators, that make this site great!!!"
I couldn't agree more. Well said.
"always been bad at grammer!!!"
Nah, you're fine :) The reply box is just a bit too small, so it's difficult not to make spelling and grammatical errors (which you only spot AFTER you post your reply :|). Mine are just full of errors :)
"its we, the commentators, that make this site great!!!"
I couldn't agree more. Well said.
"always been bad at grammer!!!"
Nah, you're fine :) The reply box is just a bit too small, so it's difficult not to make spelling and grammatical errors (which you only spot AFTER you post your reply :|). Mine are just full of errors :)
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by Yaz - 2007-11-03 |
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» And finally...
Thanks for the 'boxing match' ISOHaven. No knock-out blows by either side, but a few good hits to the chin, and some great body shots, but both still standing at the end. I guess it's up to the judges now to give us their scores. :D
Perhaps we'll be fighting on the same side in future. ;)
Thanks for the 'boxing match' ISOHaven. No knock-out blows by either side, but a few good hits to the chin, and some great body shots, but both still standing at the end. I guess it's up to the judges now to give us their scores. :D
Perhaps we'll be fighting on the same side in future. ;)
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