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QJ, you are getting worse day by day!
Can't you even seperate prices of pressed media from burnable media any more? Manufacturing a PS3-BD will surely not cost 20 - 30 $, and be eventually cheaper than manufacturing 2 DVDs.
Before you do math, apply common sense! :(
Only a fool would think that a BD costs 20-30$ for Sony to produce. QJ, get some writers with comon sense.
I think it's about time we stop bloody speculating how much it is, and either praise Sony or rip the ***** through them when we finally find out TRUE prices.
Only time will tell....
And calm down on the comments too, the QJ bloggers do their best, not everyone's perfect. Give it a rest already...
This particular news item has appeared on every game related blog in the net. QJ was the only one to add a claim that BD is 200 to 600 times more costy to manufacture.
Oh and besides: even the price for the burnable media will come down quickly, it isn't really that much higher than the first DVD-R and the burners are indeed much cheaper than the first DVD-burners!
Thank god I'm getting a Wii to go with my 360.
PS3 is going downhill. I was going to buy one before this years E3!
blue ray will push up cost of a game by 20 if sony get the
BR disk 4 20 it be a steal as blank BR will be 40.00 pus 4 you or me to buy
ITs bs they will put 90% of new games on dvd just like the ps2 had games on cd
The burnable discs released to the general public will cost (the general public) that much but the blu-ray discs really don't cost too much more then a dvd disc to manufacture. The figures are closer to $2-$3 per disc not $20-$30. The high price products that are released to the general public is to recoup costs of inventing the disc and the time/money it took to perfect it.
Also, as proof that a blu-ray disc doesn't cost $20-$30 to produce, look at the press releases that Sony pushed out not too long ago pretaining to the price of blu-ray movies. You'll be able to grab up older titles for $17-$22 and newer movies for $22-$26 (those may not be the exact figures, but they were in that area), so how is it possible for Sony to release these movies so cheaply when the discs are $20-$30 a piece? Simple. They're not that expensive.
Either if they cost 20-30 bucks to make or not, the blu-ray games will most likely cost more. There is no reason why an executive would have to be so indecisive unless the games don't cost 60 bucks. Although I really can't see more then 10 dollars increase.
$20-$30 WHAT AN IDIOT!!!!!!!! lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
you ps3 fanboys have a serious inferiority complex. you secretly know that ps3 will be a joke of epic proportions so you go into wii and 360 forums and bash them. then when you hear news that the ps3 is going to suck you get all defensive like its a personal attach on your character when it is really just a stupid game system. The fact is that sony has the least amount of respect for the consumers... Nintendo is just now starting to respect us again after 10 years of terrible sales and nintendo bashing.. microsoft has a very powerful machine at an affordable price. sony is just using you to force blu ray on consumers and it isnt going to work on me. and nintendo is asking a meessly 250 for their machine with cheaper and simpler games. its amazing how the top dog can become the underdog with a few bad decisions.
I believe games will be in the $70 range. If Thesis got cancelled because of high developement costs that means ps3 isnt cheap to develope for. so developers will have to make money somewhere so they will have to raise the price of games.
Today the average new game is released at 59.99 so games are already 60 bucks.
This changes nothing.
Development cost are not as expensive as everyone makes it. No one has yet to provide how much more it will cost to develop for the ps3. Also it seems that the comapny doesnt want to use money to learn how to develop for the ps3, therefore they are asking sony for assistance. If developers werent so worried about making the highest profit possible and maybe focused on making the highest quality game they can make, they would make more profit.
How many high profile titles have disappointed gamers? Almost every month. How many low profile games have amazed gamers and pushed a developer into the respected list. Just about every month as well.
Seems some developers have said that the PS3 isnt hard to develop for. Some say its harder, and now some say its cost too much to develop for and therefore we dont wantto spend the money to learn how to develop for it.
Also BD movies are almost the same price as regular dvds. They arent that much more expensive, as far as i have seen maybe a few dollars more and thats totally worth it in terms of the media.
For everyone that thinks the price of games will rise because of the cost of the media look at dvd. The ps2 and xbox used dvds but stayed at the same standard 59.99 release prices for almost all new games. And even after years of dvds getting cheap as cds, they are still released with a 59.99 price tag.
Its not the media that going to be the problem, its how much developers are willing to spend to learn how to develop for the ps3 so that in the future they can save development cost on future titles. Games for the PS3 wont be more then standard price. Sony wont allow it to go any higher, anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. Sony lost millions on the PS2 before they started to make profit on it. They can do it again.
if the ps3 was so cheap to develop for, then why did Thesis drop the ps3 version because of sky high developement costs? think about.
high developement cost + extreme debt by each system sold = games $70
Dude, shut up. We're not the ones filling the sony forums with flames. Go away, go put your xbox 1.5 on ice, cuz it's overheating....
Several months ago I couldn't wait for the ps3 to come out. I just knew that the PS3 would be worth the wait.
Sony has always made great games for the ps1 and ps2 so you figure that games on the ps3 will rock! Even with blu-ray and online play and superior tech, I'm starting to wonder after I fork over $600 for it and the possibility of games being more than $60 a pop, would it be worth getting over the 360 or the wii???
I guess Sony is losing money on the movies then because they have some for 20 bucks:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EZ7ZZE/qid=1151594064/sr=8-9/ref=pd_bbs_9/102-5219888-2177767?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130
Considering the DVD one is 15 dollars, the difference is 5 dollars.
Alaric S., posters like you make me and everyone else sick with your bias ignorant comments so please check what your saying and make it your responsibility to report correctly (I would change your last comment if I were you actually anyone with any sense would).
I'll take that and a bag of pop corn please
Don't you have any common sense?
It's rumored the best games for 360 will have ( GRAW, Oblivion, and Gears of War) are coming to the PS3, would any even slightly educated person use this as an argument to saying the PS3 will destroy the 360? No
Please dont use rumors in your arguments, it makes you sound like an idiot.
BTW it would be harder to port a PC game developed with DirectX to the PS3 but you can say the same about it being difficult to port a PC game developed for OpenGL to the 360.
Repeat after me:
PC + DIRECTX = Easy for 360, hard for the PS3 (i.e: Half Life)
PC + OpenGL = Easy for the PS3, hard for the 360 (i.e Unreal 2007)
Got it? Good.
It would be wonderful if the blogger's at QJ.net joined the rest of the world and realized that PSM has, reliably, some of the most inaccurate journalism available.
While it is, potentially at best, correct information; it is more likely a way to get gamers aggravated about possible high prices, only later to have you feel 'relaxed' when the games are ONLY $55-$75. This would however in comparison to Microsoft or Nintendo, deal a HUGE blow to Sony in the retail markets as has the high price point on the console and so-far seemingly non-upgradeable 'low price model'.
This is very similar to the tactics used by many game publishers to research the possibility of increasing game prices to $60 in 2005. For those that are still unaware this was done by using Collectors Edition's as the base research. Gamer's flocked to purchase a more expensive edition of a game because it had a junky tin case, and 53 minutes of 'behind the scenes' videos on a SECOND DISC!!.
You people do it to yourselves. Every piece of 'info' that is released is carefully watched and researched. The Core models of both the 360 and the PS3 are fully intended to push consumers into the better deal of the 'Premium' (Standard) models. Gamer's are constantly giving the gaming industry ways that they can squeeze more money out of us, and then you complain...
My views concerning this are straight from the retail scene, where I have spent way too much of my life. So before you start to flame my views, just know that they are considered to be fact in the retail world. I personally am hoping for the PS3 to win this round of the console wars. Let's just hope Sony doesn't screw themselves anymore than they have so far...
We all know "free" online play really isn't free. How do you think Microsoft supports Windows users with "free" updates, WMP,and new IE versions? You pay $800 for a new copy of Windows and about $800 more for Microsoft Office. Even after all of this you don't technically own a copy of Windows. You have just payed $800+ to use it.
Sure we pay $20 a disk but the makers dont and considering that sony themselves are the blu-ray makers they certainly wont be adding any markup on themselves.
If prices do got hat high then thats it, it will spell the end for the playstation brand name. Lets hope they dont get greedy.
Also, The cancellation of Theseis is still a rumor at this point.
And, Sony is not losing money with each system that is sold.
This is a rumor that has been floating around for almost two years. For any person that has even remotely dealt with the financial side of any business you outright know it is the most asinine rumors that has ever been started. Sales from games and accessories can not make up the cost of a console with losses like that.
That rumor was likely started by ill-informed Nintendo and Microsoft fanboys. I still see it used on a daily basis by that group exclusively. Sony currently holds about 60% of the industry, leaving 40% to share between MS and Nintendo with Ms holding a larger share and other console and handhelds with less than 1%. Sony should stay on top for at least a while...
i have pissed on more girls then you ver will!!!! besides i dont have a 360 because i am waiting for all three machines to be released and all the bugs to be worked out.. R Kelly aint stupid niiggs... i was just point out how insane you fanboys are that buy things on day one because sony gives you orgasms when you think about the ps3.. but once you get it home and it overheats more than the 360 ever will remember that i piss on you. and yess ps3 fanboys do fill up the 360 with flames.. i am just flaming the fans not the system.. after e3 i dont see how you can be so excited.. "riiidge Raaacer!!!!
People said crap like this when games made the jump to DVD when it was relatively new. It's not a very good argument because Sony isn't spending $20 to make a single layer Blu-ray disc. You're just paying a premium because the format is new.
"We all know "free" online play really isn't free. How do you think Microsoft supports Windows users with "free" updates, WMP,and new IE versions? You pay $800 for a new copy of Windows and about $800 more for Microsoft Office. Even after all of this you don't technically own a copy of Windows. You have just payed $800+ to use it.
by Chavagnatze, at Jun 29, 2006 at 09:26AM"
what does that have to do with anything? we all know that microsoft likes to screw people over.
anyway....i think sony will keep the games at 59 for a while. the system is already more than 360 so they have to keep the games competitive to sell anything
#1 is right a Blu-Ray movie does not cost anything past 25.00 bucks idiots get it right. Is Microsft and Nintendo paying you guys to bash the PS3?
Dude, Ps3 is going to have more AAA launch titles, than xbox has games....well, that matter anywayz. For an non xbox 1.5 owner, you sound like you're takin it pretty hard from ole daddy M$, maybe you should work for them...or cease to exist...one of the two, because you're comment are irrelevant....anywayz, back to the post...yeah, blue-ray...am I reading it right, the author of this said discs cost $20-30 per disc? you kidding me? Dude needs to get his facts straight, maybe him and R-Kelly could team up and make a game. It would be a best-seller on xbox 1.5...
"Also, The cancellation of Theseis is still a rumor at this point.
And, Sony is not losing money with each system that is sold.
This is a rumor that has been floating around for almost two years. For any person that has even remotely dealt with the financial side of any business you outright know it is the most asinine rumors that has ever been started. Sales from games and accessories can not make up the cost of a console with losses like that.
That rumor was likely started by ill-informed Nintendo and Microsoft fanboys. I still see it used on a daily basis by that group exclusively. Sony currently holds about 60% of the industry, leaving 40% to share between MS and Nintendo with Ms holding a larger share and other console and handhelds with less than 1%. Sony should stay on top for at least a while... "
thesis's cancellation is a rumor but even the exec is saying unless sony helps them, its way to costly to develope...
and suddenly sony isnt losing ANY money? last time i checked manufacturing costs were in the 800-900 (from SEVERAL trusted console news sites) range, because of bluray and because they spent billions on cell.
so wake up fanboy, ps3 is taking loses on each console sold and its is expensive to develope for.
see how angry you are getting when R Kelly comes on here bashing ps3? Microsoft sucks thats why R kelly uses linux you homo... i said i may get a ps3 when all the bugs are worked out and after sony gives up on bluray just like they did with umd. i am just on here to aggravate fanboys.. the 360 really doesnt have much going for it except for decent price and they arent ramming a format down your neck...i bet the ps3 comes with a rectal implant to make sure you only use sony products.
The PS3 supports DVD as well. Though I can not understand why all games should only on BD?
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